Danny Ainge's AOS (of a season): CLE 117, BOS 110 (20-20)

[ParticleMan]

i feel like brad just isn't as invested as in previous seasons, and i think the team sees it. they aren't responding to him like before. we use to be great at ATOs, and we used to be great at sticking to the gameplan and playing the right way even when things aren't going well. instead, in crunch time guys take turns with hero ball. otoh i can understand it from tatum/brown's pov that when they share the ball guys brick shots. that's on ainge. bottom line, kemba has to go, and we need 5 bona fide NBA starters who can play both ends of the floor. smart is a solid bench guy but not a starter, same with theis. TL+JT+JB is a good core going forward. anyone else is on the block at this point, but sadly there isn't a lot of value there. i'm willing to give ainge till this offseason with the TPE to fix this mess and put a genuine NBA team on the floor. but no matter what wyc says, ainge is 100% on the hot seat. and if ainge goes, you can bet brad will follow.

[peachbucket]

Despite the numerous problems on this this teams, the bottom line is anytime Garnt Williams plays over 15 minutes in a game, winning is going to be very difficult. Until you fix that everything else is a moot point.

[BillessuR6]

This is one of the most unlikeable teams in years.

Same thing every time. We get down and Brad starts panicking and making stupid rotations without any kind of sense. Edwards, Green just show how lost he is.

Sure, we do not have much quality on the roster after the main guys but I do not care, the system we play offensively and defensively does not work and that is on the coach! You see how a team like the Spurs or Raptors still play the same way when they have multiple core players out. Move, cut, pass…we play a brand of basketball that is not effective nor enjoyable to watch.

No small trade will help this team. It is really time to fire Ainge and Stevens. We need new faces who will bring some energy and positive momentum.

[djFan71]

Watching this one finally, even though I saw the score. 1) Cripes, what is wrong with me? 2) lol at Brad trying Edwards in the 2nd period. Trying to milk that "well he played good against them a few times" magic. We did need some points, that's for sure.

[CelticsLV]

But they played Jazz close, so it's all good.

[jonige94]

Neither Jayson or Jaylen are stars, its as simple as that.

Overated.

[JediMasterRevan]

Neither Jayson or Jaylen are stars, its as simple as that.

Overated.

That is a bad takeaway.

Without those 2 we woupd be oucky to have 5 wins.


Problem is coach, danny, and most every other player.

Team has no direction.
Brad is terrible at making some decisions
Lineup choices suck
Why is lotto picks getting zero minutes after performing very well and getting praise from coach himself
Why are we trading picks that everyone knows will be solid players at positiins of need and keeping undersized, short armed unathletic players.


I am getting sick of this team. Almost everyrhing about it is so unlikeable

[cl2117]

This is the darkest timeline.

Timelord is the light at the end of the tunnel.

[darrendaye]

Watching this one finally, even though I saw the score. 1) Cripes, what is wrong with me? 2) lol at Brad trying Edwards in the 2nd period. Trying to milk that "well he played good against them a few times" magic. We did need some points, that's for sure.

And then his "high bbiq" teammates don't give him a single touch in 3+ minutes he was out there. Someone forgot to plug in the microwave.

[jfs1000d]

Maybe Tatum and brown aren’t as good as we thought?


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[SmartWentCrazy]

For the ‘we made the ECFs 3 times in 4 years’ crowd: we’ve also had the most disappointing team in the league 2 times in 3 years.

For the "Gordon Hayward isn't worth $15m a year" crowd: LMAO, good call.

Me: Hayward shouldnt get 20M in that market

You: Brown shouldnt get 20 period.

Pretty hilarious that you keep bumping this and ignoring how you took a massive L.

[SmartWentCrazy]

For the ‘we made the ECFs 3 times in 4 years’ crowd: we’ve also had the most disappointing team in the league 2 times in 3 years.

For the "Gordon Hayward isn't worth $15m a year" crowd: LMAO, good call.

Me: Hayward shouldnt get 20M in that market

You: Brown shouldnt get 20 period.

Pretty hilarious that you keep bumping this and ignoring how you took a massive L.

Just hate to see it:

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First time in a long time I didn't agree with an Ainge contract. I get it, but I don't like it.

There will be no victory lap on this one, so put that to bed right now.

LOL.

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I don’t see much to trip over here. Jaylen is young, but his likely trajectory is clear enough. He’s not a bust, not a star. A solid enough 4th-5th starter and a pretty good role player with whom we got leveraged into overpaying due to the weakness of next year’s FA class. Wouldn’t like if Smart got the same contract, and I love that guy.

Good call here

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Here's what these Jaylenheads are missing. While not altogether terrible, Jaylen's contract is overpaid by like $5-6m a year and that will impede, rather than facilitate, our ability to get to a title from here. We kinda had to do it, but still.

If people are in this to finish 5th and cheer about having a borderline All-Star, cool. But if you in it for titles, meeeeehhhhh.

Yeah, Jaylen should get a 4/79 deal cuz he wont be an all star. 4th/5th starter tops. CLOWN.

FOH. You want me to bring up your misses every post? Cuz theres a lot of material out there and I’d be more than happy to oblige.

[return2glory]

Watching this one finally, even though I saw the score. 1) Cripes, what is wrong with me? 2) lol at Brad trying Edwards in the 2nd period. Trying to milk that "well he played good against them a few times" magic. We did need some points, that's for sure.

And then his "high bbiq" teammates don't give him a single touch in 3+ minutes he was out there. Someone forgot to plug in the microwave.

Exactly. On one play Brown had Edwards open in the corner but decided to go 1 on 2. His other teammates didn’t give him a touch either like you said.

[GoCeltics123]

Maybe Tatum and brown aren’t as good as we thought?


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This is too unfair to say when their teammates are horrendous, but I am questioning a little bit if they can make their teammates better. But for now, considering how unreliable their teammates are, I can't judge them.

[philing00]

If there’s one trade we do it’s to get rid of Oljele, Grant and Teague. I don’t care who we get back because none of our targets are going to put us over the top anyway. just play Nesmith and Romeo for the rest of the season.
Good I wish Tatum didn’t settle for so many stepbacks and fadeaways. He seriously needs to work on his drives this offseason is he wants to be a stud.
None of our perimeter defenders can stay in front of their man apart from Smart. And they overhelp so much it leaves so many open 3s and out of control close outs.

[ddb]

Maybe Tatum and brown aren’t as good as we thought?


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There's blame to go around the entire organization, but I'd say Tatum/Brown are the least at fault.

Tatum is a superstar. When he's 25-31 years old he's going to be making 1st team All-NBA selections. He's still learning as a player and once he realizes he can overpower and outsmart most players, forget it. I agree that he gets complacent at times and relies too much on the Harden side-step 3's, but overall he's fantastic.

Brown I would say is probably closer to what his peak form will be. I think he can be a 5x's All-Star type whereas Tatum is a 10x's plus type.

THE PROBLEM is that neither one of these guys strengths is facilitating and making players around them better. These guys are scorers first....So often times when they get the ball they are looking to score.

This team is lacking in playmaking. It's very obvious. Kemba is another guy who's score first. There is literally one guy on the entire roster that's a natural playmaker. Marcus Smart. And he shouldn't be the best playmaker on a team. That can't be the case. He needs to be 2nd or 3rd.

The blame goes on Danny Ainge for piecing together a team where the pieces don't fit. He has A LOT of what he needs. He's 2 players shy of having a great team. Hayward would have certainly helped....big stinker that he left. Danny needs to fix that problem ASAP.

[Kaykoose]

Jayson and Jaylen are stars but they just got there. They aren't done developing yet. It is still very difficult for them to score sometimes. They don't get to the line, they hold on to the ball too long at times, their defense is fleeting, etc. So yes, they aren't going to pull this rag tag team to wins every night. They absolutely need Kemba to play consistently well, Smart to get back into shape, Danny to get off his ass and fill the big void left by Hayward.

[OldCeltics]

Goodbye Ainge

[ddb]

Jayson and Jaylen are stars but they just got there. They aren't done developing yet. It is still very difficult for them to score sometimes. They don't get to the line, they hold on to the ball too long at times, their defense is fleeting, etc. So yes, they aren't going to pull this rag tag team to wins every night. They absolutely need Kemba to play consistently well, Smart to get back into shape, Danny to get off his ass and fill the big void left by Hayward.

I really like Jaylen Brown. He's fantastic. But he has tunnel vision. His one glaring weakness is that he simply doesn't see the court very well....I'll switch sports and share an example of what I'm talking about.....When I played college hockey I was a facilitator.. Always looking to make the right pass and make teammates better. I ran the PP. That was my role and I was pretty good at it. I had a teammate that was super fast, super tough, and knew how to score goals....but man, when I say he had tunnel vision...geez...I never considered him a selfish player....he just didn't see the ice like I did. He could have had so many assists if he just saw the game differently. he missed so many opportunities to make a pass that would lead to an easy goal...instead shooting the puck... back to basketball.....when I watch this team play I see a lot of guys that play like my teammate did. Jaylen especially. Not enough guys that played like I did...Marcus being the only one. Tatum sometimes.

Ainge needs to fix this. The pieces don't fit.

[JHTruth]

i feel like brad just isn't as invested as in previous seasons, and i think the team sees it. they aren't responding to him like before. we use to be great at ATOs, and we used to be great at sticking to the gameplan and playing the right way even when things aren't going well. instead, in crunch time guys take turns with hero ball. otoh i can understand it from tatum/brown's pov that when they share the ball guys brick shots. that's on ainge. bottom line, kemba has to go, and we need 5 bona fide NBA starters who can play both ends of the floor. smart is a solid bench guy but not a starter, same with theis. TL+JT+JB is a good core going forward. anyone else is on the block at this point, but sadly there isn't a lot of value there. i'm willing to give ainge till this offseason with the TPE to fix this mess and put a genuine NBA team on the floor. but no matter what wyc says, ainge is 100% on the hot seat. and if ainge goes, you can bet brad will follow.

I think Ainge is much more secure than Brad. Brad was exposed in last years playoffs and has never been the same. Same with Theis. Hard to overstate how crushing it was to his ego to see his pet Theis get owned by a third year Bam. The myth of "Genius Brad" died over those six games. He's no longer the exciting, young, innovative coach. He's just a treadmill coach in the NBA. He'll be back to college where he can be a God ASAP