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Kemba Walker Thread: Celtics seek to Trade Walker

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Re: Kemba Walker Thread: Celtics seek to Trade Walker 

Post#161 » by hugepatsfan » Tue Jun 15, 2021 4:29 pm

Andrew McCeltic wrote:
itrsteve wrote:
Red2 wrote:Im not giving up multiple first round picks to move kemba. I think he would help a team like the knicks so maybe theres a fit there. I guess i have to give brad a chance but making him GM is one of the dumbest decisions ive I’ve ever seen


Disagree for a few reasons:
1.) He's not married to the decisions of yesterday
2.) If anybody has a read on internal personality mix matches, it's going to be him
3.) I trust his basketball mind to know where the deficiencies are

He has a crap ton of big decisions (or non-decisions) to make, more than happy to give him the benefit of the doubt.


The knowledge of locker room personalities will be out of date very quickly.

He’s got a good basketball mind, but that’s only part of the job. Dealing with agents, targeting free agents, drafting shrewdly, negotiating trades, balancing short and long term planning, managing the cap… Identifying team needs and putting together compatible players is much easier to envision than accomplish.


The thing is, you're stance that Brad is a bad hire for this job is based on the same thing that anyone saying he's a good hire is - nothing. Quite literally none of us have even the slightest clue whether Brad is qualified to take on those other aspects of the job you mention. Unless you're hiring someone who has done the job before none of us ever really have any clue whether to say it's a good hire or bad hire. And even then we don't know how those experiences changed them and what they will do differently. We don't interview these guys.
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Re: Kemba Walker Thread: Celtics seek to Trade Walker 

Post#162 » by itrsteve » Tue Jun 15, 2021 5:49 pm

The interesting part is that most of those business acumen skillsets listed are something he may already have an aptitude for. Remember he has a BA in Economics and had a short stint at Eli Lilly prior to dropping the white collar job to pursue basketball. It's not as if he was some Humanities D3 reject.
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Re: Kemba Walker Thread: Celtics seek to Trade Walker 

Post#163 » by Disinformation » Tue Jun 15, 2021 6:13 pm

K For Three wrote:I have no idea if he's coming or going but I am pretty much done with player names. So I am just going by "K" now.

And K can stand for "kitty" as well so it's a total win/win.

Kyrie, Kemba......I have no idea who is next but I feel bad for him already so I won't doom the poor guy.


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Re: Kemba Walker Thread: Celtics seek to Trade Walker 

Post#164 » by Andrew McCeltic » Tue Jun 15, 2021 6:42 pm

hugepatsfan wrote:
Andrew McCeltic wrote:
itrsteve wrote:
Disagree for a few reasons:
1.) He's not married to the decisions of yesterday
2.) If anybody has a read on internal personality mix matches, it's going to be him
3.) I trust his basketball mind to know where the deficiencies are

He has a crap ton of big decisions (or non-decisions) to make, more than happy to give him the benefit of the doubt.


The knowledge of locker room personalities will be out of date very quickly.

He’s got a good basketball mind, but that’s only part of the job. Dealing with agents, targeting free agents, drafting shrewdly, negotiating trades, balancing short and long term planning, managing the cap… Identifying team needs and putting together compatible players is much easier to envision than accomplish.


The thing is, you're stance that Brad is a bad hire for this job is based on the same thing that anyone saying he's a good hire is - nothing. Quite literally none of us have even the slightest clue whether Brad is qualified to take on those other aspects of the job you mention. Unless you're hiring someone who has done the job before none of us ever really have any clue whether to say it's a good hire or bad hire. And even then we don't know how those experiences changed them and what they will do differently. We don't interview these guys.


I didn’t actually say or imply that he’s a bad hire - only that it’s hard to predict how he’ll handle the aspects of the job with which he has no experience.
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Re: Kemba Walker Thread: Celtics seek to Trade Walker 

Post#165 » by JediMasterRevan » Thu Jun 17, 2021 3:20 pm

Just wanted to add this in here for a little perspective on the Kemba trade/injury concerns

He missed the first 11 games recovering from the stem cell injection
He was sat on the back to back - 9 games

The other games he missed was for an oblique strain, and a bone bruise.

THis season he did not show a regression

Last season
20 ppg
4rpg
5apg
42.5%
38.5% from 3

This year post first 10 games
20.5ppg
4rpg
5apg
44%
37.5% from 3

This season he did not show he is now damaged goods. He showed that, if not for lack of offseason, if not for the oblique strain, if not for the bone bruise, he most likely would have played upwards of 70 games in a 82 games season.

Just this season alone
4 games lost bone bruise
4 games lost oblique strain
1 game lost to illness
11 games lost at beginning of season due to recovery/lack of training camp/etc

He was sat 9 games of back to backs.

That is it.

He lost 9 games to illness/injury and 9 games of back to back. 18 games.

That would be equal to 54 games played in the 72 game season
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Durant
Lebron
Mitchell
Embiid
Towns
HArden
SGA
George
McCollum
Davis
Butler
Grant
Murray
Wood
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So many NBA players, and top notch players, missed as much time as Kemba did this season (taking those first 11 games out)
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Re: Kemba Walker Thread: Celtics seek to Trade Walker 

Post#166 » by sam_I_am » Fri Jun 18, 2021 12:54 pm

hugepatsfan wrote:
Andrew McCeltic wrote:
itrsteve wrote:
Disagree for a few reasons:
1.) He's not married to the decisions of yesterday
2.) If anybody has a read on internal personality mix matches, it's going to be him
3.) I trust his basketball mind to know where the deficiencies are

He has a crap ton of big decisions (or non-decisions) to make, more than happy to give him the benefit of the doubt.


The knowledge of locker room personalities will be out of date very quickly.

He’s got a good basketball mind, but that’s only part of the job. Dealing with agents, targeting free agents, drafting shrewdly, negotiating trades, balancing short and long term planning, managing the cap… Identifying team needs and putting together compatible players is much easier to envision than accomplish.


The thing is, you're stance that Brad is a bad hire for this job is based on the same thing that anyone saying he's a good hire is - nothing. Quite literally none of us have even the slightest clue whether Brad is qualified to take on those other aspects of the job you mention. Unless you're hiring someone who has done the job before none of us ever really have any clue whether to say it's a good hire or bad hire. And even then we don't know how those experiences changed them and what they will do differently. We don't interview these guys.


I think hiring Brad for GM is less risky than it appears. The Celtics have a committee that runs this team and the fact that most of it remains in place suggests to me that little has changed. From a PR perspective and from a basketball knowledge perspective, Brad is a solid pick just as Ainge was back in 2003. It’s not like taking a guy like Pitino with no knowledge of NBA and giving him total control.

He could still mess things up the way Doc did with Clippers but I suspect it will be business as usual. If anything, the team may have more ability to make moves if the rumors are true that have suggested teams feared trading with Danny because of his reputation.
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