If It Is To Be Said. So It Be. So It Is. The First Deadline Trade Thread.

zoyathedestroya · Post #161 » by **zoyathedestroya** » Thu Jan 20, 2022 5:40 pm

Since Cs are keyed in on building around Jays, they should target low usage, high efficiency guys who are fine doing the little things that win games but is always ready to make shots when they do touch the ball. Timelord excels in this role already. Grant kinda does but is limited once he's made to put the ball on the floor. Richardson raising his 3FG% while also being a dog on defense has made him more valuable than anticipated. Horford should've been but can't make a three to save his life. Schroder is too high usage and only adds to the disjointedness of the offense. Nesmith, Langford, and PP are all low efficiency guys at the moment.

We really don't have the assets for a 3rd star, unless said star forces his way to Boston.

Post #162 » by **djFan71** » Thu Jan 20, 2022 5:44 pm

Curmudgeon wrote:LOL, if you could send Schroder back to LA along with Horford for Westbrook I would be OK with the deal if only for its pure comedic value. But it's a joke that would cost Wyc and friends around 45-50 million next year when you figure in the luxury tax.

John Wall makes more sense, because Houston has promising young players and picks to send back. The Lakers don't.

I don't get why HOU would do this. They need picks and young players. What is their possible incentive? If they want to reduce salary, they'll probably sell off Gordon for another pick and expirings, not pay to dump Wall. They'll wait and see if Wall can be resolved in the summer.

keevsnick1 · Post #163 » by **keevsnick1** » Thu Jan 20, 2022 5:48 pm

sully00 wrote:
keevsnick1 wrote:Beal's contract with Boston would come in at around 4 years 180 million. It depends on exactly where next year's cap comes in.

But as I just described that comes with a 4th year option and he is going to expect a 5 year extension after year two. This is Durant's deal

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/brooklyn-nets/kevin-durant-2717/

I mean he can want whatever he wants, but nobody has to give it to him.

If what he wants is the absolute most money he'll just stay in Washington.

tfribs45 · Post #164 » by **tfribs45** » Thu Jan 20, 2022 5:49 pm

Andrew McCeltic wrote:Trade board talking Al, Smart, Schroeder or JRich for Russ, maybe THT, pick and swap.. Westbrook’s 47 million next year is brutal but it’s expiring, and not far from what we’d be paying even if we decline Al’s option. We already have a point guard who can’t shoot for sh*t, Russ is more talented. As a compromise move we could do a lot worse. Couple other moves - maybe THT to a third team, whichever of Josh or Dennis we don’t include gets dealt.. Smart/Al for Russ, Nunn to a third team..

that's a crazy hall, NO CHANCE, C's would be fleeced LMAO

Curmudgeon · Post #165 » by **Curmudgeon** » Thu Jan 20, 2022 5:52 pm

djFan71 wrote:
Curmudgeon wrote:LOL, if you could send Schroder back to LA along with Horford for Westbrook I would be OK with the deal if only for its pure comedic value. But it's a joke that would cost Wyc and friends around 45-50 million next year when you figure in the luxury tax.

John Wall makes more sense, because Houston has promising young players and picks to send back. The Lakers don't.

I don't get why HOU would do this. They need picks and young players. What is their possible incentive? If they want to reduce salary, they'll probably sell of Gordon for another pick and expirings, not pay to dump Wall. They'll wait and see if Wall can be resolved in the summer.

Well, trading Horford. Schroder and Richardson for Wall and a prospect saves Tillman Fertitta around 15-20M dollars next year-- not only cap dollars but real dollars. If he wants to pocket even more he can sell of Gordon in a separate deal. But Gordon isn't easy to sell, because if Houston could exchange him for an expiring they would have done so already. And Houston would be giving picks in that deal, not getting them.

Andrew McCeltic · Post #166 » by **Andrew McCeltic** » Thu Jan 20, 2022 5:54 pm

tfribs45 wrote:
Andrew McCeltic wrote:Trade board talking Al, Smart, Schroeder or JRich for Russ, maybe THT, pick and swap.. Westbrook’s 47 million next year is brutal but it’s expiring, and not far from what we’d be paying even if we decline Al’s option. We already have a point guard who can’t shoot for sh*t, Russ is more talented. As a compromise move we could do a lot worse. Couple other moves - maybe THT to a third team, whichever of Josh or Dennis we don’t include gets dealt.. Smart/Al for Russ, Nunn to a third team..

that's a crazy hall, NO CHANCE, C's would be fleeced LMAO

If you route THT and Nunn to other teams.. dude was talking 2026 pick swap and unprotected 2027 1st..

Celts17Pride · Post #167 » by **Celts17Pride** » Thu Jan 20, 2022 6:00 pm

Andrew McCeltic wrote:
tfribs45 wrote:
Andrew McCeltic wrote:Trade board talking Al, Smart, Schroeder or JRich for Russ, maybe THT, pick and swap.. Westbrook’s 47 million next year is brutal but it’s expiring, and not far from what we’d be paying even if we decline Al’s option. We already have a point guard who can’t shoot for sh*t, Russ is more talented. As a compromise move we could do a lot worse. Couple other moves - maybe THT to a third team, whichever of Josh or Dennis we don’t include gets dealt.. Smart/Al for Russ, Nunn to a third team..

that's a crazy hall, NO CHANCE, C's would be fleeced LMAO

If you route THT and Nunn to other teams.. dude was talking 2026 pick swap and unprotected 2027 1st..

No to Harrison Barnes then you talk Russell Westbrook? :lol:

Larry_Russell · Post #168 » by **Larry_Russell** » Thu Jan 20, 2022 6:02 pm

zoyathedestroya wrote:Since Cs are keyed in on building around Jays, they should target low usage, high efficiency guys who are fine doing the little things that win games but is always ready to make shots when they do touch the ball. Timelord excels in this role already. Grant kinda does but is limited once he's made to put the ball on the floor. Richardson raising his 3FG% while also being a dog on defense has made him more valuable than anticipated. Horford should've been but can't make a three to save his life. Schroder is too high usage and only adds to the disjointedness of the offense. Nesmith, Langford, and PP are all low efficiency guys at the moment.

We really don't have the assets for a 3rd star, unless said star forces his way to Boston.

Konchar
Coffy

IMO 2 names that we should be looking at.

Konchar since December
6ppg
5rpg
1.5 apg
1spg
54%!!! from 3
20 minutes per

Watch on YouTube

Guy is a legit threat from 3 and does all the other things you want out there. He does little things that dont always shot up on boxscores,

And Coffey since getting minutes in LAC
10ppg
4rpg
2.5apg
1spg
42% from 3
26.5 minutes

Watch on YouTube

Solid BBall player and plays vary hard. Always competing. 2 way player who is trying to make it big.

Curmudgeon · Post #169 » by **Curmudgeon** » Thu Jan 20, 2022 6:03 pm

Jaylen Brown and Dennis Schroder to the Pelicans for Valanciunas, Hart, Satoransky (expiring) the Pelicans 2022 first rounder, lottery protected in 2022 and unprotected in 2023, and the Lakers 2023 first round pick.

Post #170 » by **djFan71** » Thu Jan 20, 2022 6:05 pm

Curmudgeon wrote:
djFan71 wrote:
Curmudgeon wrote:LOL, if you could send Schroder back to LA along with Horford for Westbrook I would be OK with the deal if only for its pure comedic value. But it's a joke that would cost Wyc and friends around 45-50 million next year when you figure in the luxury tax.

John Wall makes more sense, because Houston has promising young players and picks to send back. The Lakers don't.

I don't get why HOU would do this. They need picks and young players. What is their possible incentive? If they want to reduce salary, they'll probably sell of Gordon for another pick and expirings, not pay to dump Wall. They'll wait and see if Wall can be resolved in the summer.

Well, trading Horford. Schroder and Richardson for Wall and a prospect saves Tillman Fertitta around 15-20M dollars next year-- not only cap dollars but real dollars. If he wants to pocket even more he can sell of Gordon in a separate deal. But Gordon isn't easy to sell, because if Houston could exchange him for an expiring they would have done so already. And Houston would be giving picks in that deal, not getting them.

Selling the team would save them even more. I mean, it's possible, but they've bottomed out perfectly and will probably save $5-10M on a Wall buyout this summer - depending on what contract his agent can get (tax MLE seems doable).

You're basically asking them to sell a top pick / prospects for $10-15M at best.

And Gordon is at the perfect time to sell this deadline, not before. He's shooting 46% on 3s, and will be an expiring in the summer for whoever acquires him. It's a 2nd one way or the other, but I'd guess it's HOU getting it.

La Flame · Post #171 » by **La Flame** » Thu Jan 20, 2022 6:05 pm

Curmudgeon wrote:Jaylen Brown and Dennis Schroder to the Pelicans for Valanciunas, Hart, Satoransky (expiring) the Pelicans 2022 first rounder, lottery protected in 2022 and unprotected in 2023, and the Lakers 2023 first round pick.

Why? Wtf

zoyathedestroya · Post #172 » by **zoyathedestroya** » Thu Jan 20, 2022 6:12 pm

Larry_Russell wrote:
zoyathedestroya wrote:Since Cs are keyed in on building around Jays, they should target low usage, high efficiency guys who are fine doing the little things that win games but is always ready to make shots when they do touch the ball. Timelord excels in this role already. Grant kinda does but is limited once he's made to put the ball on the floor. Richardson raising his 3FG% while also being a dog on defense has made him more valuable than anticipated. Horford should've been but can't make a three to save his life. Schroder is too high usage and only adds to the disjointedness of the offense. Nesmith, Langford, and PP are all low efficiency guys at the moment.

We really don't have the assets for a 3rd star, unless said star forces his way to Boston.

Konchar
Coffy

IMO 2 names that we should be looking at.

Konchar since December
6ppg
5rpg
1.5 apg
1spg
54%!!! from 3
20 minutes per

Spoiler:

Watch on YouTube

Watch on YouTube

Watch on YouTube

Guy is a legit threat from 3 and does all the other things you want out there. He does little things that dont always shot up on boxscores,

And Coffey since getting minutes in LAC
10ppg
4rpg
2.5apg
1spg
42% from 3
26.5 minutes

Spoiler:

Watch on YouTube

Watch on YouTube

Watch on YouTube

Solid BBall player and plays vary hard. Always competing. 2 way player who is trying to make it big.

You're really asking Ime to play more unproven players? Those two are going to get buried in the bench. Gotta be vets.

Curmudgeon · Post #173 » by **Curmudgeon** » Thu Jan 20, 2022 6:13 pm

La Flame wrote:
Curmudgeon wrote:Jaylen Brown and Dennis Schroder to the Pelicans for Valanciunas, Hart, Satoransky (expiring) the Pelicans 2022 first rounder, lottery protected in 2022 and unprotected in 2023, and the Lakers 2023 first round pick.

Why? Wtf

Bring in a solid point guard. Bring in a solid center who can score. Get two first round picks, including one that almost certain to be in the lottery in the best draft of the decade (2023).

You would have to more Horford in a separate deal, or maybe just waive and stretch him.

Jaqua92 · Post #174 » by **Jaqua92** » Thu Jan 20, 2022 6:14 pm

So Brad has no interest in moving on from Smart? What trades are possible without him? For the love of God.

This is an issue.

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chrisab123 · Post #175 » by **chrisab123** » Thu Jan 20, 2022 6:17 pm

zoyathedestroya wrote:
chrisab123 wrote:They had an avenue to try and get Beal in the offseason but...had to give Rob and Marcus that contract now. Really stupid planning.

There's a better chance trading for Beal AFTER the extensions via S&T. We were never going to have cap space unless you wanted Brown, Tatum, Beal, and pretty much all minimums. (Horford's salary also a burden)

Beal coming to Boston was always dependent on him wanting to pair with Tatum. That can happen whether or not Cs had cap space.

Problem with that logic is that while Beal can want to come to Boston all he wants he's not going to turn down a trade to GSW in order to win a title. He wouldn't turn down a trade to play with Dame etc...Boston is not an attractive place for most players but the one shot they had was to be able to spend in free agency. Now they're left with no cap space for next season and no young pieces worthy to get back anything of consequence except for Williams who isn't getting moved.

Post #176 » by **bisme37** » Thu Jan 20, 2022 6:17 pm

It kinda seems like a few of us spend their days trying to trade our most talented players for lesser players they just personally like better for whatever reasons. Maybe not a great way to build a team but what do I know.

zoyathedestroya · Post #177 » by **zoyathedestroya** » Thu Jan 20, 2022 6:21 pm

chrisab123 wrote:
zoyathedestroya wrote:
chrisab123 wrote:They had an avenue to try and get Beal in the offseason but...had to give Rob and Marcus that contract now. Really stupid planning.

There's a better chance trading for Beal AFTER the extensions via S&T. We were never going to have cap space unless you wanted Brown, Tatum, Beal, and pretty much all minimums. (Horford's salary also a burden)

Beal coming to Boston was always dependent on him wanting to pair with Tatum. That can happen whether or not Cs had cap space.

Problem with that logic is that while Beal can want to come to Boston all he wants he's not going to turn down a trade to GSW in order to win a title. He wouldn't turn down a trade to play with Dame etc...Boston is not an attractive place for most players but the one shot they had was to be able to spend in free agency. Now they're left with no cap space for next season and no young pieces worthy to get back anything of consequence except for Williams who isn't getting moved.

We really didn't have cap space either way as soon as Tatum's max kicked in (unless we can magically make Horford's salary go away). However small the chance S&T has, that still has a higher chance of happening.

chrisab123 · Post #178 » by **chrisab123** » Thu Jan 20, 2022 6:23 pm

zoyathedestroya wrote:
chrisab123 wrote:
zoyathedestroya wrote:There's a better chance trading for Beal AFTER the extensions via S&T. We were never going to have cap space unless you wanted Brown, Tatum, Beal, and pretty much all minimums. (Horford's salary also a burden)

Beal coming to Boston was always dependent on him wanting to pair with Tatum. That can happen whether or not Cs had cap space.

Problem with that logic is that while Beal can want to come to Boston all he wants he's not going to turn down a trade to GSW in order to win a title. He wouldn't turn down a trade to play with Dame etc...Boston is not an attractive place for most players but the one shot they had was to be able to spend in free agency. Now they're left with no cap space for next season and no young pieces worthy to get back anything of consequence except for Williams who isn't getting moved.

We really didn't have cap space either way as soon as Tatum's max kicked in (unless we can magically make Horford's salary go away). However small the chance S&T had, that still has a higher chance of happening.

You could have dealt Horford with a pick for an expiring or two then renounce the TPEs in the offseason. There were ways to get that taken care of. It was just piss poor planning. As good as Williams has been can anyone sit here and say that by waiting until the offseason he would have made that much more? Its a wing league.

Larry_Russell · Post #179 » by **Larry_Russell** » Thu Jan 20, 2022 6:23 pm

zoyathedestroya wrote:
Larry_Russell wrote:
zoyathedestroya wrote:Since Cs are keyed in on building around Jays, they should target low usage, high efficiency guys who are fine doing the little things that win games but is always ready to make shots when they do touch the ball. Timelord excels in this role already. Grant kinda does but is limited once he's made to put the ball on the floor. Richardson raising his 3FG% while also being a dog on defense has made him more valuable than anticipated. Horford should've been but can't make a three to save his life. Schroder is too high usage and only adds to the disjointedness of the offense. Nesmith, Langford, and PP are all low efficiency guys at the moment.

We really don't have the assets for a 3rd star, unless said star forces his way to Boston.

Konchar
Coffy

IMO 2 names that we should be looking at.

Konchar since December
6ppg
5rpg
1.5 apg
1spg
54%!!! from 3
20 minutes per

Spoiler:

Watch on YouTube

Watch on YouTube

Watch on YouTube

Guy is a legit threat from 3 and does all the other things you want out there. He does little things that dont always shot up on boxscores,

And Coffey since getting minutes in LAC
10ppg
4rpg
2.5apg
1spg
42% from 3
26.5 minutes

Spoiler:

Watch on YouTube

Watch on YouTube

Watch on YouTube

Solid BBall player and plays vary hard. Always competing. 2 way player who is trying to make it big.

You're really asking Ime to play more unproven players? Those two are going to get buried in the bench. Gotta be vets.

My thought is, if we bring enough of these guys in, he will have no choice

If your bench is

Konchar/Richardson/Romeo/Nesmith/Coffey/Pritchard/Grant

He has no choice but to play someone that benefits us.

Like if you need to lose weight, and all you get rid of all your unhealthy foods, you have no choice but to eat healthy

tfribs45 · Post #180 » by **tfribs45** » Thu Jan 20, 2022 6:24 pm

Jaqua92 wrote:So Brad has no interest in moving on from Smart? What trades are possible without him? For the love of God.

This is an issue.

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LMAO JAqua92's worst Nightmare. Learn to love the Cobra, he's a keeeeeeeepa.