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Re: Trade/F.A. Thread 2023-24, con't – (Trade Deadline Feb. 8, 3PM, ET) 

Post#161 » by Parliament10 » Tue Feb 6, 2024 7:08 pm

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I would like to, at some point, actually see Brad make a first round pick. This team is going to need to find young guys on rookie contracts that can contribute given the financial crunch coming in the next few years.

White has only 1.5 years left on his deal, Horford is old and has only 1.5 years. Hauser has 1.5 years. Jrue can be a free agent this summer. Brown has his max deal, Tatum will get his. This team will be VERY expensive.

Getting a guy on a cheap 4 year deal who is in the rotation would be huge for this team. Now maybe you can do that with second rounders, Walsh looks promising, but they shouldn't be pushing too far into the future. Have to start developing guys with this next draft.

I think that the reasoning is that we'd be pegged in on salary with a 1st Rounder.
The new 2nd Round Pick Exception, allows them to go 4 years.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NBA_salary_cap#:~:text=The%202023%20CBA%20created%20the,Kings%20when%20they%20signed%20No.
The 2023 CBA created the second-round pick exception which allows teams to sign their second-round draft picks for up to four years without counting against the cap until July 31 of the player's first season.


The difference in salary between a 30th pick and second rounders in the 30's isn't really that big. 30th pick starts at around 2 million, which is about the same as a vet min contract and about the same as what many early 30's 2nd round picks will sign for.

The other issue is future second rounds picks are... in the future. They need cheep contributors sooner, rather than later. And they KNOW the 30th pick will be the 30th pick, they don't know where a bunch of future seconds will end up.

Unless they use it on somebody who will actually player in the playoffs they should keep it and draft somebody.

I hear you. I just don't think that Brad's likely to pick any 1st Rounders, for a few years.
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Re: Trade/F.A. Thread 2023-24, con't – (Trade Deadline Feb. 8, 3PM, ET) 

Post#162 » by keevsnick1 » Tue Feb 6, 2024 7:48 pm

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Parliament10 wrote:I think that the reasoning is that we'd be pegged in on salary with a 1st Rounder.
The new 2nd Round Pick Exception, allows them to go 4 years.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NBA_salary_cap#:~:text=The%202023%20CBA%20created%20the,Kings%20when%20they%20signed%20No.


The difference in salary between a 30th pick and second rounders in the 30's isn't really that big. 30th pick starts at around 2 million, which is about the same as a vet min contract and about the same as what many early 30's 2nd round picks will sign for.

The other issue is future second rounds picks are... in the future. They need cheep contributors sooner, rather than later. And they KNOW the 30th pick will be the 30th pick, they don't know where a bunch of future seconds will end up.

Unless they use it on somebody who will actually player in the playoffs they should keep it and draft somebody.

I hear you. I just don't think that Brad's likely to pick any 1st Rounders, for a few years.


Its already BEEN a few years!. Traded 21, 22, 23. They need to make one eventually.

The way I'd phrase it is this: If you trade a first round pick this year it had better actually be two first rounds for a reel needle mover. Just moving a first for a bench guy doesn't make a lot of sense to me given their salary and team situation.

You can find bench level players at the 30th pick. Peyton Watson for Denver in 2022 (Andrew Nembhard and Jaylin Williams went in early 30's) Santi Aldama for the Griz in 2021 (Herb Jones in early 30's). Desmond bane was 30th in 2020. Jordan Poole, Keldon Johnson, Kevin Porter Jr and Nic Claxton went 28th-31st in 2019. In 2018 Jalen Brunson went 33, Rob Williams went 27. In 2017 Derick White went 29 and Josh Hart 30.

So that late st to early 2nd range can yield some players.
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Re: Trade/F.A. Thread 2023-24, con't – (Trade Deadline Feb. 8, 3PM, ET) 

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Re: Trade/F.A. Thread 2023-24, con't – (Trade Deadline Feb. 8, 3PM, ET) 

Post#164 » by zoyathedestroya » Tue Feb 6, 2024 8:36 pm

Around January 4, Brad Stevens talked about the Celtics looking into adding a big wing. About a week later, Kawhi Leonard signs his extension making him ineligible to be traded for six months. Clippers got so threatened by Stevens' ability to acquire his targets that they were forced to sign Kawhi. True story.
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Re: Trade/F.A. Thread 2023-24, con't – (Trade Deadline Feb. 8, 3PM, ET) 

Post#165 » by Hal14 » Tue Feb 6, 2024 8:38 pm

Hal14 wrote:These are the guys Brad has traded for as POBO:

Porzingis
Horford
J-rich
Theis
D-white
Muscala
Jrue
Brogdon

What do they have in common?

1) All between age 27-35 at the time they were traded here, with at least 4 yrs of NBA experience under their belts
2) None were half season rentals
3) They can all shoot the 3 (all had at least 1 season above league average from 3 + another season pretty darn close to league average from 3)

Who are some guys who fit that criteria and fit in the TPE?

-Jevon Carter
-John Konchar
-Dean Wade
-Kenrich Williams

Kenrich and Wade are likely staying with their teams, who are near the top of the standings.

I don't see us trading for Carter, an undersized guard - unless it's a swap for Pritchard and I don't see Brad doing that.

I could see Brad making a move for Konchar.

-There were rumors earlier in the season that we were showing interest in Konchar
-Konchar worked out for the Celtics prior to the 2019 draft so he's been on our radar for awhile
-He's got a 4.6% blocks rate so far this season, which is an insane number for a wing
-12.4% rebounding % which is a VERY good number for a wing
-Watching some film, he's got good connective passing ability. Plays unselfish on offense. Moves the ball, finds the open man, keeps the offense flowing, makes the right basketball play, doesn't force shots
-Decent size. 6'5", a 6'7.5" wingspan, 210 lbs, 40" vertical leap (that was when he was drafted, might not be quite that high anymore, especially after a few injuries he's had)
-I don't think his shooting is *that* bad. His mechanics look fine. FT% has been 77% and 78% over the past couple years which is good. 3PA/100 possessions has been around 5-5.5 over the past couple years which is respectable

Catch and shoot 3's
23-24 reg season: 33.3% (36.4% over his last 7 games)
22-23 reg season: 33.3%
21-22 reg season: 42.1%
20-21 reg season: 35.2%

27 years old, so right in his prime. He's on a bargain $2.4 mil contract this season and then starting next season he has a 3 year extension that kicks in..at about $6 mil a season which is also pretty cheap but it's also a mid-tier type of salary which could come in handy for salary matching in a future trade, if necessary

Where would he fit in the rotation? It depends. Our top 6 guys are set in stone, of course. Right now the 7th/8th guys are Hauser/Pritchard. If we got Konchar, he could slide in there and simply give Joe another option for who he wants to go with for those 7th/8th man minutes.

Want shooting? Go with Pritchard and Hauser. Want defense, rebounding and more of a veteran presence on the floor? Go with Konchar.

If Konchar is in there as the 7th man, do you go with Hauser or Pritchard for 8th man? Well, depending on who else is on the floor for us and how the game is going..if you want size, go with Hauser..want ball handling - go with Pritchard.

Need a 3rd big in there? Go with Kornet.

Want someone for some spot mins to go in, fly around, bring some energy/defense/rebounding/athleticism? Go with Brissett.

The trade package could be something like Svi + 2 2nd rounders for Konchar.

That way, you still have an open roster spot. You can then fill that last roster spot by signing someone in the buyout market..or, if no dice there..then of course you can convert Queta. A lot of the numbers for Kornet and Queta actually look really solid (+/-, net rating, contested rebound %, etc.) so I am fine with them as our 3rd/4th bigs.
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Re: Trade/F.A. Thread 2023-24, con't – (Trade Deadline Feb. 8, 3PM, ET) 

Post#166 » by zoyathedestroya » Tue Feb 6, 2024 8:48 pm

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Post#167 » by Memokerobi » Tue Feb 6, 2024 9:03 pm

Pretty surprised there hasn't been any trade yet
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Post#168 » by zoyathedestroya » Tue Feb 6, 2024 9:05 pm

It would be sad if this is all we do lol.

Boston’s bench guys: Dalano Banton, Svi Mykhailiuk and Lamar Stevens are on minimum deals and never play. The Celtics will owe a combined $15 million in tax penalties on those three contracts, a number that could be sliced by roughly two-thirds by trading each and signing buyout guys or promoting two-ways in their place.


Source: https://theathletic.com/5254748/2024/02/06/nba-trade-deadline-rumors-2024-hollinger/
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Post#169 » by fallguy » Tue Feb 6, 2024 9:10 pm

zoyathedestroya wrote:It would be sad if this is all we do lol.

Boston’s bench guys: Dalano Banton, Svi Mykhailiuk and Lamar Stevens are on minimum deals and never play. The Celtics will owe a combined $15 million in tax penalties on those three contracts, a number that could be sliced by roughly two-thirds by trading each and signing buyout guys or promoting two-ways in their place.


Source: https://theathletic.com/5254748/2024/02/06/nba-trade-deadline-rumors-2024-hollinger/


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Re: Trade/F.A. Thread 2023-24, con't – (Trade Deadline Feb. 8, 3PM, ET) 

Post#170 » by 165bows » Tue Feb 6, 2024 9:28 pm

Hal14 wrote:
Hal14 wrote:These are the guys Brad has traded for as POBO:

Porzingis
Horford
J-rich
Theis
D-white
Muscala
Jrue
Brogdon

What do they have in common?

1) All between age 27-35 at the time they were traded here, with at least 4 yrs of NBA experience under their belts
2) None were half season rentals
3) They can all shoot the 3 (all had at least 1 season above league average from 3 + another season pretty darn close to league average from 3)

Who are some guys who fit that criteria and fit in the TPE?

-Jevon Carter
-John Konchar
-Dean Wade
-Kenrich Williams

Kenrich and Wade are likely staying with their teams, who are near the top of the standings.

I don't see us trading for Carter, an undersized guard - unless it's a swap for Pritchard and I don't see Brad doing that.

I could see Brad making a move for Konchar.

-There were rumors earlier in the season that we were showing interest in Konchar
-Konchar worked out for the Celtics prior to the 2019 draft so he's been on our radar for awhile
-He's got a 4.6% blocks rate so far this season, which is an insane number for a wing
-12.4% rebounding % which is a VERY good number for a wing
-Watching some film, he's got good connective passing ability. Plays unselfish on offense. Moves the ball, finds the open man, keeps the offense flowing, makes the right basketball play, doesn't force shots
-Decent size. 6'5", a 6'7.5" wingspan, 210 lbs, 40" vertical leap (that was when he was drafted, might not be quite that high anymore, especially after a few injuries he's had)
-I don't think his shooting is *that* bad. His mechanics look fine. FT% has been 77% and 78% over the past couple years which is good. 3PA/100 possessions has been around 5-5.5 over the past couple years which is respectable

Catch and shoot 3's
23-24 reg season: 33.3% (36.4% over his last 7 games)
22-23 reg season: 33.3%
21-22 reg season: 42.1%
20-21 reg season: 35.2%

27 years old, so right in his prime. He's on a bargain $2.4 mil contract this season and then starting next season he has a 3 year extension that kicks in..at about $6 mil a season which is also pretty cheap but it's also a mid-tier type of salary which could come in handy for salary matching in a future trade, if necessary

Where would he fit in the rotation? It depends. Our top 6 guys are set in stone, of course. Right now the 7th/8th guys are Hauser/Pritchard. If we got Konchar, he could slide in there and simply give Joe another option for who he wants to go with for those 7th/8th man minutes.

Want shooting? Go with Pritchard and Hauser. Want defense, rebounding and more of a veteran presence on the floor? Go with Konchar.

If Konchar is in there as the 7th man, do you go with Hauser or Pritchard for 8th man? Well, depending on who else is on the floor for us and how the game is going..if you want size, go with Hauser..want ball handling - go with Pritchard.

Need a 3rd big in there? Go with Kornet.

Want someone for some spot mins to go in, fly around, bring some energy/defense/rebounding/athleticism? Go with Brissett.

The trade package could be something like Svi + 2 2nd rounders for Konchar.

That way, you still have an open roster spot. You can then fill that last roster spot by signing someone in the buyout market..or, if no dice there..then of course you can convert Queta. A lot of the numbers for Kornet and Queta actually look really solid (+/-, net rating, contested rebound %, etc.) so I am fine with them as our 3rd/4th bigs.

I wouldn't mind Konchar last minute if nothing else comes up. Professional and can do a few things to help plug a few minutes here and there, and if he can hit a few shots then great pick up. Not sure if he's even 2 2nds category at this point though.
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Post#171 » by zoyathedestroya » Tue Feb 6, 2024 9:35 pm

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Yet another reason why we should go hard after Caruso or similar ilk. Jrue should only be playing in mid- to late-30s mpg in the last two rounds.
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Re: Trade/F.A. Thread 2023-24, con't – (Trade Deadline Feb. 8, 3PM, ET) 

Post#172 » by CelticsPride18 » Tue Feb 6, 2024 9:41 pm

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Yet another reason why we should go hard after Caruso or similar ilk. Jrue should only be playing in mid- to late-30s mpg in the last two rounds.


We don’t have the assets for Caruso. Just play him less minutes we have a good lead on the first seed
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Post#173 » by BK_2020 » Tue Feb 6, 2024 9:47 pm

165bows wrote:
Hal14 wrote:
Hal14 wrote:These are the guys Brad has traded for as POBO:

Porzingis
Horford
J-rich
Theis
D-white
Muscala
Jrue
Brogdon

What do they have in common?

1) All between age 27-35 at the time they were traded here, with at least 4 yrs of NBA experience under their belts
2) None were half season rentals
3) They can all shoot the 3 (all had at least 1 season above league average from 3 + another season pretty darn close to league average from 3)

Who are some guys who fit that criteria and fit in the TPE?

-Jevon Carter
-John Konchar
-Dean Wade
-Kenrich Williams

Kenrich and Wade are likely staying with their teams, who are near the top of the standings.

I don't see us trading for Carter, an undersized guard - unless it's a swap for Pritchard and I don't see Brad doing that.

I could see Brad making a move for Konchar.

-There were rumors earlier in the season that we were showing interest in Konchar
-Konchar worked out for the Celtics prior to the 2019 draft so he's been on our radar for awhile
-He's got a 4.6% blocks rate so far this season, which is an insane number for a wing
-12.4% rebounding % which is a VERY good number for a wing
-Watching some film, he's got good connective passing ability. Plays unselfish on offense. Moves the ball, finds the open man, keeps the offense flowing, makes the right basketball play, doesn't force shots
-Decent size. 6'5", a 6'7.5" wingspan, 210 lbs, 40" vertical leap (that was when he was drafted, might not be quite that high anymore, especially after a few injuries he's had)
-I don't think his shooting is *that* bad. His mechanics look fine. FT% has been 77% and 78% over the past couple years which is good. 3PA/100 possessions has been around 5-5.5 over the past couple years which is respectable

Catch and shoot 3's
23-24 reg season: 33.3% (36.4% over his last 7 games)
22-23 reg season: 33.3%
21-22 reg season: 42.1%
20-21 reg season: 35.2%

27 years old, so right in his prime. He's on a bargain $2.4 mil contract this season and then starting next season he has a 3 year extension that kicks in..at about $6 mil a season which is also pretty cheap but it's also a mid-tier type of salary which could come in handy for salary matching in a future trade, if necessary

Where would he fit in the rotation? It depends. Our top 6 guys are set in stone, of course. Right now the 7th/8th guys are Hauser/Pritchard. If we got Konchar, he could slide in there and simply give Joe another option for who he wants to go with for those 7th/8th man minutes.

Want shooting? Go with Pritchard and Hauser. Want defense, rebounding and more of a veteran presence on the floor? Go with Konchar.

If Konchar is in there as the 7th man, do you go with Hauser or Pritchard for 8th man? Well, depending on who else is on the floor for us and how the game is going..if you want size, go with Hauser..want ball handling - go with Pritchard.

Need a 3rd big in there? Go with Kornet.

Want someone for some spot mins to go in, fly around, bring some energy/defense/rebounding/athleticism? Go with Brissett.

The trade package could be something like Svi + 2 2nd rounders for Konchar.

That way, you still have an open roster spot. You can then fill that last roster spot by signing someone in the buyout market..or, if no dice there..then of course you can convert Queta. A lot of the numbers for Kornet and Queta actually look really solid (+/-, net rating, contested rebound %, etc.) so I am fine with them as our 3rd/4th bigs.

I wouldn't mind Konchar last minute if nothing else comes up. Professional and can do a few things to help plug a few minutes here and there, and if he can hit a few shots then great pick up. Not sure if he's even 2 2nds category at this point though.

Konchar has a Pritchard-like contract extension kicking in. As an expiring minimum salary you can overlook how bad he is but not at $18 mil.
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Post#175 » by 165bows » Tue Feb 6, 2024 10:04 pm

BK_2020 wrote:
165bows wrote:
Hal14 wrote:Kenrich and Wade are likely staying with their teams, who are near the top of the standings.

I don't see us trading for Carter, an undersized guard - unless it's a swap for Pritchard and I don't see Brad doing that.

I could see Brad making a move for Konchar.

-There were rumors earlier in the season that we were showing interest in Konchar
-Konchar worked out for the Celtics prior to the 2019 draft so he's been on our radar for awhile
-He's got a 4.6% blocks rate so far this season, which is an insane number for a wing
-12.4% rebounding % which is a VERY good number for a wing
-Watching some film, he's got good connective passing ability. Plays unselfish on offense. Moves the ball, finds the open man, keeps the offense flowing, makes the right basketball play, doesn't force shots
-Decent size. 6'5", a 6'7.5" wingspan, 210 lbs, 40" vertical leap (that was when he was drafted, might not be quite that high anymore, especially after a few injuries he's had)
-I don't think his shooting is *that* bad. His mechanics look fine. FT% has been 77% and 78% over the past couple years which is good. 3PA/100 possessions has been around 5-5.5 over the past couple years which is respectable

Catch and shoot 3's
23-24 reg season: 33.3% (36.4% over his last 7 games)
22-23 reg season: 33.3%
21-22 reg season: 42.1%
20-21 reg season: 35.2%

27 years old, so right in his prime. He's on a bargain $2.4 mil contract this season and then starting next season he has a 3 year extension that kicks in..at about $6 mil a season which is also pretty cheap but it's also a mid-tier type of salary which could come in handy for salary matching in a future trade, if necessary

Where would he fit in the rotation? It depends. Our top 6 guys are set in stone, of course. Right now the 7th/8th guys are Hauser/Pritchard. If we got Konchar, he could slide in there and simply give Joe another option for who he wants to go with for those 7th/8th man minutes.

Want shooting? Go with Pritchard and Hauser. Want defense, rebounding and more of a veteran presence on the floor? Go with Konchar.

If Konchar is in there as the 7th man, do you go with Hauser or Pritchard for 8th man? Well, depending on who else is on the floor for us and how the game is going..if you want size, go with Hauser..want ball handling - go with Pritchard.

Need a 3rd big in there? Go with Kornet.

Want someone for some spot mins to go in, fly around, bring some energy/defense/rebounding/athleticism? Go with Brissett.

The trade package could be something like Svi + 2 2nd rounders for Konchar.

That way, you still have an open roster spot. You can then fill that last roster spot by signing someone in the buyout market..or, if no dice there..then of course you can convert Queta. A lot of the numbers for Kornet and Queta actually look really solid (+/-, net rating, contested rebound %, etc.) so I am fine with them as our 3rd/4th bigs.

I wouldn't mind Konchar last minute if nothing else comes up. Professional and can do a few things to help plug a few minutes here and there, and if he can hit a few shots then great pick up. Not sure if he's even 2 2nds category at this point though.

Konchar has a Pritchard-like contract extension kicking in. As an expiring minimum salary you can overlook how bad he is but not at $18 mil.

Just gives them the option to flip him with a pick later. If not this (or something similar), then they have no contracts to trade, outside of Horford hitting the wall and dumping him. Correct me if I'm wrong but I don't think they even have the MLE next year.
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Post#176 » by Fencer reregistered » Tue Feb 6, 2024 10:10 pm

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zoyathedestroya wrote:It would be sad if this is all we do lol.

Boston’s bench guys: Dalano Banton, Svi Mykhailiuk and Lamar Stevens are on minimum deals and never play. The Celtics will owe a combined $15 million in tax penalties on those three contracts, a number that could be sliced by roughly two-thirds by trading each and signing buyout guys or promoting two-ways in their place.


Source: https://theathletic.com/5254748/2024/02/06/nba-trade-deadline-rumors-2024-hollinger/


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They all had their salaries guaranteed recently. So Brad was expecting to do something other than dump them a month later.
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Post#177 » by hugepatsfan » Tue Feb 6, 2024 10:45 pm

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zoyathedestroya wrote:It would be sad if this is all we do lol.



Source: https://theathletic.com/5254748/2024/02/06/nba-trade-deadline-rumors-2024-hollinger/


Big news for Queta fans.


They all had their salaries guaranteed recently. So Brad was expecting to do something other than dump them a month later.


Eh, can't read into that. If you waived them, the salary they earned so far is immovable dead money on your cap. And you need to have a minimum # of roster spots filled so we'd have had to sign replacements. There'd have been no savings. You'd have the pre-deadline dead money that those guys earned plus the pro rated minimum of their replacements. No savings.

On the other hand, if we dealt them to someone else now, then there is no dead money on the cap for them. So we'd still need to sign guys for the remainder of the year, but we'd save the tax on what those guys earned in the first half.

If you want to save $$$, letting them become guaranteed and then dumping them in a trade is actually the way to do it.
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Post#178 » by zoyathedestroya » Tue Feb 6, 2024 10:55 pm

The guy I want from the Grizzlies (apart from Smart) is Aldama. Not that he could help in the playoffs now, but maybe he could train under Horford to be his "replacement" past next season. He still has another year left (team option) before RFA.

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Re: Trade/F.A. Thread 2023-24, con't – (Trade Deadline Feb. 8, 3PM, ET) 

Post#179 » by Fencer reregistered » Tue Feb 6, 2024 11:18 pm

hugepatsfan wrote:
Fencer reregistered wrote:
fallguy wrote:
Big news for Queta fans.


They all had their salaries guaranteed recently. So Brad was expecting to do something other than dump them a month later.


Eh, can't read into that. If you waived them, the salary they earned so far is immovable dead money on your cap. And you need to have a minimum # of roster spots filled so we'd have had to sign replacements. There'd have been no savings. You'd have the pre-deadline dead money that those guys earned plus the pro rated minimum of their replacements. No savings.

On the other hand, if we dealt them to someone else now, then there is no dead money on the cap for them. So we'd still need to sign guys for the remainder of the year, but we'd save the tax on what those guys earned in the first half.

If you want to save $$$, letting them become guaranteed and then dumping them in a trade is actually the way to do it.


Not sure I buy all of that. If they're dumped in a trade they need to be replaced too.
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Re: Trade/F.A. Thread 2023-24, con't – (Trade Deadline Feb. 8, 3PM, ET) 

Post#180 » by BK_2020 » Tue Feb 6, 2024 11:22 pm

Fencer reregistered wrote:
hugepatsfan wrote:
Fencer reregistered wrote:
They all had their salaries guaranteed recently. So Brad was expecting to do something other than dump them a month later.


Eh, can't read into that. If you waived them, the salary they earned so far is immovable dead money on your cap. And you need to have a minimum # of roster spots filled so we'd have had to sign replacements. There'd have been no savings. You'd have the pre-deadline dead money that those guys earned plus the pro rated minimum of their replacements. No savings.

On the other hand, if we dealt them to someone else now, then there is no dead money on the cap for them. So we'd still need to sign guys for the remainder of the year, but we'd save the tax on what those guys earned in the first half.

If you want to save $$$, letting them become guaranteed and then dumping them in a trade is actually the way to do it.


Not sure I buy all of that. If they're dumped in a trade they need to be replaced too.

Only prorated amounts of any new signings will count towards the cap and luxury tax as far as I understand it.

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