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Post#161 » by Homerclease » Fri Jun 28, 2024 12:25 pm

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BK_2020 wrote:So we are looking at a guy who shot 37.3% from the three in the two Big East seasons as someone who's supposed to make Sam Hauser redundant, doesn't really translate. Sam Hauser shot 43% from the three in 4 seasons in major conferences (3 Big East and 1 ACC). Same number of attempts per game. Sam shot 88% from the line for his college career vs 82% for Scheierman. I don't think they are in the same tier as shooters. Baylor is closer to Drew Peterson than Hauser.


Stats don’t lie but I will say that based on eye test, Sam’s super high arcing shot is more prone to being way off if it’s not a splash whereas Baylor’s perfect arc always seems to be on the mark even when he misses. It’s too much to expect Baylor to be as good as Hauser but to be fair, Hauser was undrafted and Baylor was expected to be a 1st round pick. If the Heat could strike the lottery a second time with Strus, why can’t Brad?

Scheierman shot 49% on open 3s last season. NBA spacing and playing off the Jays are going to dictate that he’s gonna get more open looks than he did in college. That’s why most scouts are saying they expect his 3p% to climb at the next level. I’m not fond of the pick either but the one thing this guy can do for sure is sling it
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Post#162 » by BigTrade92 » Fri Jun 28, 2024 1:15 pm

Baylor is a perfect fit and a perfect pick.

As a Big East fan, I really hoped he’d fall to us, but doubted the league would let him slide until 30, especially in a weak draft.

Brad doesn’t miss though…

Excited now for Summer League to start up and see how Sheierman looks against NBA-level competition.
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Post#163 » by Green89 » Fri Jun 28, 2024 1:19 pm

He was a pitcher and a quarterback, then chose basketball. Quite the athlete.
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Post#164 » by shackles10 » Fri Jun 28, 2024 1:20 pm

So what's the backstory behind the Belo nickname? I'm still calling him Baybay in the meantime.
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Post#165 » by zoyathedestroya » Fri Jun 28, 2024 1:31 pm

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Post#166 » by brackdan70 » Fri Jun 28, 2024 1:33 pm

shackles10 wrote:So what's the backstory behind the Belo nickname? I'm still calling him Baybay in the meantime.

I like Baybay as well.
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Post#167 » by 165bows » Fri Jun 28, 2024 1:36 pm

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BK_2020 wrote:So we are looking at a guy who shot 37.3% from the three in the two Big East seasons as someone who's supposed to make Sam Hauser redundant, doesn't really translate. Sam Hauser shot 43% from the three in 4 seasons in major conferences (3 Big East and 1 ACC). Same number of attempts per game. Sam shot 88% from the line for his college career vs 82% for Scheierman. I don't think they are in the same tier as shooters. Baylor is closer to Drew Peterson than Hauser.


Stats don’t lie but I will say that based on eye test, Sam’s super high arcing shot is more prone to being way off if it’s not a splash whereas Baylor’s perfect arc always seems to be on the mark even when he misses. It’s too much to expect Baylor to be as good as Hauser but to be fair, Hauser was undrafted and Baylor was expected to be a 1st round pick. If the Heat could strike the lottery a second time with Strus, why can’t Brad?

Scheierman shot 49% on open 3s last season. NBA spacing and playing off the Jays are going to dictate that he’s gonna get more open looks than he did in college. That’s why most scouts are saying they expect his 3p% to climb at the next level. I’m not fond of the pick either but the one thing this guy can do for sure is sling it

In the first part of that film review/interview they break down his senior year numbers - iirc correctly he had some wacky split like 37% off catch and shoot threes and 56% off of pnr ball handler threes or something like that.

Sample size and all that but I think there is a little comp to a guy like KP even - might not end up with the highest 3PT%, but makes the defense work harder and cover more since he is capable of hitting more difficult shots than most at a rate that forces attention to it.
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Post#168 » by 165bows » Fri Jun 28, 2024 1:37 pm

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shackles10 wrote:So what's the backstory behind the Belo nickname? I'm still calling him Baybay in the meantime.

I like Baybay as well.

Ew that one I don't like.
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Post#169 » by brackdan70 » Fri Jun 28, 2024 1:47 pm

shackles10 wrote:So what's the backstory behind the Belo nickname? I'm still calling him Baybay in the meantime.

Maybe Belo is how he said his name when he was 4.
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Post#170 » by ThePigeon » Fri Jun 28, 2024 2:38 pm

He_Got_Game wrote:I'm seeing a bigger Brandon Podziemski here which is awesome for us.


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Post#171 » by Smart2Nesmith43 » Fri Jun 28, 2024 2:50 pm

There were 10 guys in the NBA that launched at least 13 threes per 100 possessions last season (min. 300 minutes)
Stephen Curry 17.0 attempts per 100 possessions
Sam Merrill 16.2
Donte DiVincenzo 14.8
Davis Bertans 14.3
Klay Thompson 14.2
Luka Doncic 13.5
AJ Green 13.3
Tim Hardaway Jr. 13.2
Sam Hauser 13.0
Alec Burks 13.0

Baylor Scheierman took 13.3 threes per 100 possessions during his last season at Creighton. Elite volume.
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Post#172 » by hugepatsfan » Fri Jun 28, 2024 2:53 pm

So much focus always goes to how a draft pick fits on the current roster, but remember, these guys sign 4 year deals. And the team has RFA rights beyond that even.

Even if we extend the trio of Tatum/White/Hauser this offseason to go with Brown/Holiday/Pritchard last year, I'd still doubt that ALL of them are here for 4 more years. If Scheierman can play, his rotation spot will find itself. If he can't, he'll go on a long list of guys drafted in the late 1st who didn't amount to anything.
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Post#173 » by zoyathedestroya » Fri Jun 28, 2024 3:25 pm

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He’s thankful now. Until he realizes he won’t earn Desmond Bane money on his 2nd contract with a team like the Cs. Maybe best case scenario is Grant Williams route where you carve a bench role and do enough to merit interest from another team once you hit RFA. Can Celtics even do outgoing S&T?
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Post#174 » by 165bows » Fri Jun 28, 2024 3:29 pm

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Post#175 » by cl2117 » Fri Jun 28, 2024 3:46 pm

I'm surprised we're almost at 10 pages in this thread and there hasn't been much/any mention of Johnny Furphy. He seemed like a very similar option with a higher ceiling but 3 years younger and way less ready to potentially contribute right out of the gate.

It'll be interesting to see how he develops. Could be that he was the better option for us since we could have let him mature and benefited from his higher upside. Alternatively we could be forced to let Sam go sooner rather than later and having Baylor ready in the wings as the next man up pay dividends in a big way.

In light of Brad's comments on older players, I can see why we went Scheierman, but I do think at some stage we'll want to take some bigger swings on more high risk/reward type guys in the hopes we hit big to help out under the 2nd apron.
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Post#176 » by canman1971 » Fri Jun 28, 2024 3:47 pm

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He’s thankful now. Until he realizes he won’t earn Desmond Bane money on his 2nd contract with a team like the Cs. Maybe best case scenario is Grant Williams route where you carve a bench role and do enough to merit interest from another team once you hit RFA. Can Celtics even do outgoing S&T?

Geez, just drafted and already trying to trade him in 4 years?
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Post#177 » by zoyathedestroya » Fri Jun 28, 2024 4:01 pm

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He’s thankful now. Until he realizes he won’t earn Desmond Bane money on his 2nd contract with a team like the Cs. Maybe best case scenario is Grant Williams route where you carve a bench role and do enough to merit interest from another team once you hit RFA. Can Celtics even do outgoing S&T?

Geez, just drafted and already trying to trade him in 4 years?

That’s my misplaced concern for his bank account talking. Let’s be real. Most likely scenario is he gets PP money on the Cs or hope to get traded to get showcased elsewhere for an opportunity at bigger $$ (Nesmith/Grant). Certainly won’t get Desmond Bane or Tyrese Maxey money in Boston. Just a cynical view of getting drafted to a contender stacked at the top.
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Post#178 » by hickfromfrenchlick » Fri Jun 28, 2024 6:44 pm

BK_2020 wrote:So we are looking at a guy who shot 37.3% from the three in the two Big East seasons as someone who's supposed to make Sam Hauser redundant, doesn't really translate. Sam Hauser shot 43% from the three in 4 seasons in major conferences (3 Big East and 1 ACC). Same number of attempts per game. Sam shot 88% from the line for his college career vs 82% for Scheierman. I don't think they are in the same tier as shooters. Baylor is closer to Drew Peterson than Hauser.


Not saying Baylor's going to be better, because Sam's turned himself into a good rotation player, but as indicated by their respective draft positions, Baylor was a much better college player than Sam.

Baylor took a lot of contested 3s and made them at a nice clip. He shot 47% from 3 in his last year at SDSU. Sam was mostly what he is now: a spot-up shooter.

I don't understand why you mentioned FTs. 82% is good and he made 88% this past season. Baylor's ceiling is higher because he's a more well-rounded player. But a ceiling's a ceiling. Right now Hauser is an established NBA player and Scheierman's not.

Finally, a replacement doesn't need to be identical to the guy he's replacing.
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Post#179 » by Hal14 » Fri Jun 28, 2024 8:40 pm

Smart2Nesmith43 wrote:There were 10 guys in the NBA that launched at least 13 threes per 100 possessions last season (min. 300 minutes)
Stephen Curry 17.0 attempts per 100 possessions
Sam Merrill 16.2
Donte DiVincenzo 14.8
Davis Bertans 14.3
Klay Thompson 14.2
Luka Doncic 13.5
AJ Green 13.3
Tim Hardaway Jr. 13.2
Sam Hauser 13.0
Alec Burks 13.0

Baylor Scheierman took 13.3 threes per 100 possessions during his last season at Creighton. Elite volume.

He had basically the same number as Hauser. I don't think that's a coincidence..
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Post#180 » by ConstableGeneva » Fri Jun 28, 2024 9:17 pm


Dunno how he'll do against NBA defenses, but after watching the above, I'm cautiously optimistic that he can be a backup/secondary ballhandler for the team sooner than later. At the very least, he can be easily integrated to how we run our offense. Hopefully, he can be solid on defense 'cos he seems poised to be a unique asset on offense for us with his size, smarts, and shooting.
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