Welcome to Boston (and Maine), Amari Williams!

[darrendaye]

I understand Joe not starting the rook in his 1st game, I would lean toward starting him vs. Minny after he showed he could compete. He's the only proximity to Queta on the roster.

[Parliament10]

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[Hal14]

It was only 15 minutes. Chill.

[Shak_Celts]

It was only 15 minutes. Chill.

Give him two more games, GOAT STATUS!

[cl2117]

What I'd love to see from Amari is a bit of a glimmer of some kind of offensive impact.

Love that he can handle the ball a bit and that he's a good/confident passer, but it's hard to leverage that from your deep bench big man. Joe isn't going to send him in and put him at the elbow to orchestrate the offense or let him handle the ball outside of the occasional time he brings it up the court in transition. It just doesn't make sense, especially when he's looking at spot minutes more often than not.

If he can be an effective screen and roll partner and/or operate above the rim as a lob-threat, that would at least give him a purpose on that end of the court. He'd still be incredibly limited but at least we aren't playing 4 on 5 with him. That would in turn allow him to stay on the court beyond just times where we're desperate for someone tall and potentially even open up opportunities for him to handle the ball more and be a bit of a hub offensively, which is likely how you maximize his skillset. But it's all going to stem from finding a way to contribute off-ball first.

Wish we still had JD around and could just attach the two at the hip so he could learn how to be part of a pick and roll / alley-oop tandem. Not that we can't still have him focus on that but JD was great as that kind of facilitator and I don't think we have a similar style player in Boston or Maine at the moment.

[Hal14]

What I'd love to see from Amari is a bit of a glimmer of some kind of offensive impact.

Love that he can handle the ball a bit and that he's a good/confident passer, but it's hard to leverage that from your deep bench big man. Joe isn't going to send him in and put him at the elbow to orchestrate the offense or let him handle the ball outside of the occasional time he brings it up the court in transition. It just doesn't make sense, especially when he's looking at spot minutes more often than not.

I don't really see the logic here.

If you have a player who has a skill that is borderline elite..and it's a skill that can impact winning, why not utilize it when he's in the game? Regardless of whether he plays 8 mins a game or 38, the job of a coach is to get the most value out of the 5 players who are on the floor at any given time.

When Amari is on the floor, it would be silly imo to not leverage his ability to handle the ball, pass, manipulate an opposing defense, create easy looks for teammates, etc.

[return2glory]

It was only 15 minutes. Chill.

Some of you get over hyped on a new player and some of you get down on a player, in too small of sample sizes.

It's like people falling in love with Hugo too fast. He hasn't been getting an minutes in the last month and people are upset.

It's also getting down of people too fast like Walsh and Baylor. Some people here were ready to ship Walsh to China 6 weeks ago. Others were ready to move on from Baylor for this bad shooting in SL and pre season, including you. I kept reminding some of you that it was SL and preseason and those games don't count. Besides they are way too sample of a same size to get down on a player or be overhyped on people.

[redslastlaugh]

What I'd love to see from Amari is a bit of a glimmer of some kind of offensive impact.

Love that he can handle the ball a bit and that he's a good/confident passer, but it's hard to leverage that from your deep bench big man.

Wish we still had JD around and could just attach the two at the hip so he could learn how to be part of a pick and roll / alley-oop tandem. Not that we can't still have him focus on that but JD was great as that kind of facilitator and I don't think we have a similar style player in Boston or Maine at the moment.

I haven't watched him in Maine but he's played a total of 15 non-garbage time minutes at the NBA level, so I'm waiting to see a larger sample size before I pass any judgment.

I do look at how Luke Kornet was able to impact the game, and see this as a model for Amari. Luke could go a whole quarter without looking at the rim, Luke didn't post up, he didn't shoot 3s after 2021, and he was still a super impactful ball mover, rim protecting & rim finishing big. Amari Williams at 23 yrs old has better length, strength, & athleticism than Kornet did at that age.

I agree it's a bummer about JD Davison, who is playing some minutes in Houston and looking pretty good. We sure have a ton of wings/forwards and not much ball handling & passing, so it would have been nice if we still had JD. JD and Amari would have been an interesting combo. Also, as a matter of principle, if we draft a guy at #52 and spent years, just tons of time developing him, I'd rather not then let him walk for nothing so another team can reap the reward.

[cl2117]

What I'd love to see from Amari is a bit of a glimmer of some kind of offensive impact.

Love that he can handle the ball a bit and that he's a good/confident passer, but it's hard to leverage that from your deep bench big man. Joe isn't going to send him in and put him at the elbow to orchestrate the offense or let him handle the ball outside of the occasional time he brings it up the court in transition. It just doesn't make sense, especially when he's looking at spot minutes more often than not.

I don't really see the logic here.

If you have a player who has a skill that is borderline elite..and it's a skill that can impact winning, why not utilize it when he's in the game? Regardless of whether he plays 8 mins a game or 38, the job of a coach is to get the most value out of the 5 players who are on the floor at any given time.

When Amari is on the floor, it would be silly imo to not leverage his ability to handle the ball, pass, manipulate an opposing defense, create easy looks for teammates, etc.

Because it's a beyond a stretch to suggest that Amari is "borderline elite" when it comes to handling the ball/passing at the NBA level. In college he showed he's a step above the rest in those regards, but the NBA is a completely different beast.

And specifically manipulating opposing defenses and being a hub for the offense is insanely difficult to master at the highest level. He'd need to be completely in tune with the offensive sets and connected with his teammates, neither of which seem like a realistic expectation for a guy who is going to be spending a lot of his time in Maine and most of his time in Boston on the bench.

It's not like coming in as a sharpshooter or a defensive specialist, which are a bit easier to plug and play. Trying to orchestrate the offense is just an objectively harder task and I think one that requires a lot more experience and trial and error. I'm not saying that I don't want us to try and develop that part of his game, but just being realistic about where he is right now and how hard it'll be for him to be anywhere near "elite" in that regard when he's only getting spot minutes and learning how to operate at the next level.

On top of that, we simply have better offensive options than running things through Amari. And Psycho Joe just wants to win, I don't think he's interested in letting Amari learn on the job when it's naturally going to be an up and down battle for him. This is a classic situation where if he can find ways to stay on the court that don't require him to have the ball in his hands, that will in turn get him more minutes/opportunities where he can handle the ball and learn the ropes. One leads into the other.

That isn't to say Joe won't/shouldn't leverage that skillset and give him some opportunities regardless, but again it's about finding ways to stay on the court so that those chances can find you. Otherwise his minutes end up on a yo-yo going up and down depending on how effectively he can deliver as a facilitator, which I think is one of the most challenging skillsets in the game because of how cerebral it is in addition to requiring an insanely good feel for the game.

[Parliament10]

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Played really well, without notice.

[cloverleaf]

What I'd love to see from Amari is a bit of a glimmer of some kind of offensive impact.

Love that he can handle the ball a bit and that he's a good/confident passer, but it's hard to leverage that from your deep bench big man. Joe isn't going to send him in and put him at the elbow to orchestrate the offense or let him handle the ball outside of the occasional time he brings it up the court in transition. It just doesn't make sense, especially when he's looking at spot minutes more often than not.

I don't really see the logic here.

If you have a player who has a skill that is borderline elite..and it's a skill that can impact winning, why not utilize it when he's in the game? Regardless of whether he plays 8 mins a game or 38, the job of a coach is to get the most value out of the 5 players who are on the floor at any given time.

When Amari is on the floor, it would be silly imo to not leverage his ability to handle the ball, pass, manipulate an opposing defense, create easy looks for teammates, etc.

Because it's a beyond a stretch to suggest that Amari is "borderline elite" when it comes to handling the ball/passing at the NBA level. In college he showed he's a step above the rest in those regards, but the NBA is a completely different beast.

And specifically manipulating opposing defenses and being a hub for the offense is insanely difficult to master at the highest level. He'd need to be completely in tune with the offensive sets and connected with his teammates, neither of which seem like a realistic expectation for a guy who is going to be spending a lot of his time in Maine and most of his time in Boston on the bench.

It's not like coming in as a sharpshooter or a defensive specialist, which are a bit easier to plug and play. Trying to orchestrate the offense is just an objectively harder task and I think one that requires a lot more experience and trial and error. I'm not saying that I don't want us to try and develop that part of his game, but just being realistic about where he is right now and how hard it'll be for him to be anywhere near "elite" in that regard when he's only getting spot minutes and learning how to operate at the next level.

On top of that, we simply have better offensive options than running things through Amari. And Psycho Joe just wants to win, I don't think he's interested in letting Amari learn on the job when it's naturally going to be an up and down battle for him. This is a classic situation where if he can find ways to stay on the court that don't require him to have the ball in his hands, that will in turn get him more minutes/opportunities where he can handle the ball and learn the ropes. One leads into the other.

That isn't to say Joe won't/shouldn't leverage that skillset and give him some opportunities regardless, but again it's about finding ways to stay on the court so that those chances can find you. Otherwise his minutes end up on a yo-yo going up and down depending on how effectively he can deliver as a facilitator, which I think is one of the most challenging skillsets in the game because of how cerebral it is in addition to requiring an insanely good feel for the game.

He projects to be elite for it as a 5, but agreed that at least for now he's just getting comfortable at this level and doing the defensive basics is what will earn Joe's trust. By late next year, however, I could well see him playing like that as a rotation big. Would be great.

[Parliament10]

I don't really see the logic here.

If you have a player who has a skill that is borderline elite..and it's a skill that can impact winning, why not utilize it when he's in the game? Regardless of whether he plays 8 mins a game or 38, the job of a coach is to get the most value out of the 5 players who are on the floor at any given time.

When Amari is on the floor, it would be silly imo to not leverage his ability to handle the ball, pass, manipulate an opposing defense, create easy looks for teammates, etc.

Because it's a beyond a stretch to suggest that Amari is "borderline elite" when it comes to handling the ball/passing at the NBA level. In college he showed he's a step above the rest in those regards, but the NBA is a completely different beast.

And specifically manipulating opposing defenses and being a hub for the offense is insanely difficult to master at the highest level. He'd need to be completely in tune with the offensive sets and connected with his teammates, neither of which seem like a realistic expectation for a guy who is going to be spending a lot of his time in Maine and most of his time in Boston on the bench.

It's not like coming in as a sharpshooter or a defensive specialist, which are a bit easier to plug and play. Trying to orchestrate the offense is just an objectively harder task and I think one that requires a lot more experience and trial and error. I'm not saying that I don't want us to try and develop that part of his game, but just being realistic about where he is right now and how hard it'll be for him to be anywhere near "elite" in that regard when he's only getting spot minutes and learning how to operate at the next level.

On top of that, we simply have better offensive options than running things through Amari. And Psycho Joe just wants to win, I don't think he's interested in letting Amari learn on the job when it's naturally going to be an up and down battle for him. This is a classic situation where if he can find ways to stay on the court that don't require him to have the ball in his hands, that will in turn get him more minutes/opportunities where he can handle the ball and learn the ropes. One leads into the other.

That isn't to say Joe won't/shouldn't leverage that skillset and give him some opportunities regardless, but again it's about finding ways to stay on the court so that those chances can find you. Otherwise his minutes end up on a yo-yo going up and down depending on how effectively he can deliver as a facilitator, which I think is one of the most challenging skillsets in the game because of how cerebral it is in addition to requiring an insanely good feel for the game.

He projects to be elite for it as a 5, but agreed that at least for now he's just getting comfortable at this level and doing the defensive basics is what will earn Joe's trust. By late next year, however, I could well see him playing like that as a rotation big. Would be great.

Let's see how he does, today. With Queta OUT, then Amari is actually our most versatile Center. (And maybe even with Queta.)
If A. Williams can maintain his NBA play, then he'll make a place for himself in this year's rotation.

[neno]

10/13/11 triple double
He has supplanted yam madar as celtics playmaker of the future

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10/13/11 triple double
He has supplanted yam madar as celtics playmaker of the future

oh **** hadn't thought of Yam in a minute
or my guy Juhann Begarin (holy **** these are some awful shooting stats since he moved to Monaco https://www.basketball-reference.com/international/players/juhann-begarin-1.html)
Lead us to glory, Amari!

[playa-hater]

10/13/11 triple double
He has supplanted yam madar as celtics playmaker of the future

There should be some sort of unwritten or even written rule.. If you get a triple-double in the g league, you automatically go up to the big boys for a while..

And as I stated already in the other thread, why not play Amari behind Queta until we can find out how good he is. Or until we find a proven center to trade for.

[Half-Full]

10/13/11 triple double
He has supplanted yam madar as celtics playmaker of the future

There should be some sort of unwritten or even written rule.. If you get a triple-double in the g league, you automatically go up to the big boys for a while..

And as I stated already in the other thread, why not play Amari behind Queta until we can find out how good he is. Or until we find a proven center to trade for.

Particularly if you are not going to use Garza or Tillman. Honestly, though, I don't know why Tillman is not seeing more minutes. He played well the in last game where he saw some real minutes. I would like to see him alongside Queta. How about a line up of: D. White, Jaylen, Hauser, Tillman, and Queta? Or Pritchard, White, Jaylen, Tillman, and Queta? Even playing him at the 5, replacing Queta with Minott in those line ups.

[Dogen]

10/13/11 triple double
He has supplanted yam madar as celtics playmaker of the future

There should be some sort of unwritten or even written rule.. If you get a triple-double in the g league, you automatically go up to the big boys for a while..

And as I stated already in the other thread, why not play Amari behind Queta until we can find out how good he is. Or until we find a proven center to trade for.

It seems the team is bringing Magic Amari along gradually, with no rush to move him into regular minutes with the big club. I'm OK ith that. There may be a trade coming in a few months if Simons is moved for a big, so Amari's development is important in Maine. If no trade happens, I could see him being brought in more.

He could play backup, but not likely to play alongside Queta. My fantasy, if no reasonable Zubac trade materializes, is to wait and see how Memphis does before the deadline and try to pull Santi Aldama. He'd be the stretch 4/5 that could play along with multiple bigs and give Joe another look with a bigger lineup. His game also complimentary with Williams. Getting Santi probably needs a third team and multiple players involved due to restrictions, so it's unlikely to happen, but I'd be happy with a big rotation of Queta/Aldama/Tillman with Amari added to the mix.

Amari's passing is so good. Well, it's easy for him in Maine as he's just a very large human compared to most G-Leaguers but I think it will translate to NBA eventually. The guy is already very mature and level-headed. If he stays within himself and role, I can see more visits to Boston over the season.

And he clearly loves getting others involved. Seems quite authentic in that regard. Maybe it's his British reserve, but so gracious after a triple double. I'm falling for this dude!

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[cloverleaf]

What I'd love to see from Amari is a bit of a glimmer of some kind of offensive impact.

Love that he can handle the ball a bit and that he's a good/confident passer, but it's hard to leverage that from your deep bench big man. Joe isn't going to send him in and put him at the elbow to orchestrate the offense or let him handle the ball outside of the occasional time he brings it up the court in transition. It just doesn't make sense, especially when he's looking at spot minutes more often than not.

I don't really see the logic here.

If you have a player who has a skill that is borderline elite..and it's a skill that can impact winning, why not utilize it when he's in the game? Regardless of whether he plays 8 mins a game or 38, the job of a coach is to get the most value out of the 5 players who are on the floor at any given time.

When Amari is on the floor, it would be silly imo to not leverage his ability to handle the ball, pass, manipulate an opposing defense, create easy looks for teammates, etc.

Because it's a beyond a stretch to suggest that Amari is "borderline elite" when it comes to handling the ball/passing at the NBA level. In college he showed he's a step above the rest in those regards, but the NBA is a completely different beast.

And specifically manipulating opposing defenses and being a hub for the offense is insanely difficult to master at the highest level. He'd need to be completely in tune with the offensive sets and connected with his teammates, neither of which seem like a realistic expectation for a guy who is going to be spending a lot of his time in Maine and most of his time in Boston on the bench.

It's not like coming in as a sharpshooter or a defensive specialist, which are a bit easier to plug and play. Trying to orchestrate the offense is just an objectively harder task and I think one that requires a lot more experience and trial and error. I'm not saying that I don't want us to try and develop that part of his game, but just being realistic about where he is right now and how hard it'll be for him to be anywhere near "elite" in that regard when he's only getting spot minutes and learning how to operate at the next level.

On top of that, we simply have better offensive options than running things through Amari. And Psycho Joe just wants to win, I don't think he's interested in letting Amari learn on the job when it's naturally going to be an up and down battle for him. This is a classic situation where if he can find ways to stay on the court that don't require him to have the ball in his hands, that will in turn get him more minutes/opportunities where he can handle the ball and learn the ropes. One leads into the other.

That isn't to say Joe won't/shouldn't leverage that skillset and give him some opportunities regardless, but again it's about finding ways to stay on the court so that those chances can find you. Otherwise his minutes end up on a yo-yo going up and down depending on how effectively he can deliver as a facilitator, which I think is one of the most challenging skillsets in the game because of how cerebral it is in addition to requiring an insanely good feel for the game.

How many 5s played point center for their high-level college team? Got a g-league triple-dub a month into their first season? Amari's got several elite skills, including his feel for the game, as a big man. Of course, he's not maxed them out or proven them at that level at this point. But he's very promising for what he can do.

[redslastlaugh]

10/13/11 triple double
He has supplanted yam madar as celtics playmaker of the future

There should be some sort of unwritten or even written rule.. If you get a triple-double in the g league, you automatically go up to the big boys for a while..

And as I stated already in the other thread, why not play Amari behind Queta until we can find out how good he is. Or until we find a proven center to trade for.

I luv this idea, FULL CO-SIGN!

[playa-hater]

10/13/11 triple double
He has supplanted yam madar as celtics playmaker of the future

There should be some sort of unwritten or even written rule.. If you get a triple-double in the g league, you automatically go up to the big boys for a while..

And as I stated already in the other thread, why not play Amari behind Queta until we can find out how good he is. Or until we find a proven center to trade for.

I luv this idea, FULL CO-SIGN!

I mean, think about it. How infectious would wanting to pass and rebounding be If a rule like that was implemented for everyone.