Anthony Davis Trade Thread Shimmies to #8

[TheOGJabroni]

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Completely agree on everything here. Danny has signed a great coach, signed good free agents, drafted and developed well, traded well. Did almost everything right...


....but with that said Danny has to finish this rebuild with getting an MVP caliber player. And if that's AD and if it's an enormous risk then **** it. No matter how wide open the league is next year you're not beating Kawhi without someone of similar talent. Kyrie and everyone else on the roster is not that. Kawhi, Harden, LeBron, Embiid, Giannis - Celtics don't have that kind of talent on their roster.

If you miss on AD - who's the next guy of that level to become available? Is Giannis going to be unhappy soon? Is Morey going to decide to blow it up if Rockets don't make the finals next year and Harden becomes available? Those are very long shots to me if they ever happen.

I agree. To take that next step, we need a potential MVP. I hope it's Davis because besides Durant, it seems like he's the guy we have been most enamored with. We need to get some luck back on our side.

[ILC]

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Completely agree on everything here. Danny has signed a great coach, signed good free agents, drafted and developed well, traded well. Did almost everything right...


....but with that said Danny has to finish this rebuild with getting an MVP caliber player. And if that's AD and if it's an enormous risk then **** it. No matter how wide open the league is next year you're not beating Kawhi without someone of similar talent. Kyrie and everyone else on the roster is not that. Kawhi, Harden, LeBron, Embiid, Giannis - Celtics don't have that kind of talent on their roster.

If you miss on AD - who's the next guy of that level to become available? Is Giannis going to be unhappy soon? Is Morey going to decide to blow it up if Rockets don't make the finals next year and Harden becomes available? Those are very long shots to me if they ever happen.

Who knows— three years ago you wouldnt have believed me if I said Kawhi wouldve been dealt. This league changes so quickly that the best strategy is to remain flexible so you can pounce when the situation is right.

Yeah, but you can't be flexible forever. And what makes this situation not right and what makes you think that new superstar who demands a trade won't do it with one year left and he will have Celtics on his preferred list? Are Tatum and Brown going to be as attractive when they sign much bigger contracts? When we lose the MEM pick? What if that superstar is over 30 and has a much shorter window than AD if he stays?

I completely agree so many things can change in a short period of time, which is why I'm all for taking a chance now. If I told you back in September that Kyrie would nuke everything, Kawhi would win a title with Toronto, KD and Klay would suffer two most dangerous injuries in basketball etc. you likely wouldn't believe it.

I agree you can’t win without top talents like kawhi, giannis and AD. The thing is, AD doesn’t want to be here and he will leave us after a year. I don’t even think we can beat the raps or bucks with only AD and no 2nd option. Im ok to trade for AD if we have a shot of resigning him or make the finals. I just don’t see that happening.

That's where we disagree then. I don't think it's as likely AD leaves, maybe I'm even more to the opposite side.

He may be pushing for this so hard now because it's his only chance but when he gets to Boston and falls in love he'll flip the script and be reasonable IMO.

[winsomme2]

There's an angle on this that I haven't really seen discussed much.

If you're Lakers management, do you really want to give up all your assets for a guy that is telling you he is coming to your team in 1 year?

They could essentially get AD in 1 year without giving up any assets.

Now, I know LeBron doesn't want to lose a year, but if you're Pelinka (or Buss or Rambis or whoever is making decisions), you can't completely discount the idea of just letting the Pels trade AD to us and then get him in a year KEEPING all your assets.

Their assets are probably at an all-time low right now. A year from now, you could have Ball and Ingram back as blue chippers, a #4 pick that delivers and Kuzma as a 3 point sniper.

They could be in a better situation a year from now as an organization if they actually wait.

[MagicBagley18]

Boy too bad kyrie gotta f this all up...unless kawhi and Lebron pair up in the off season a Kyrie AD combo would be the best duo in a wide open no warrior super team league next season

[winsomme2]

Boy too bad kyrie gotta f this all up...unless kawhi and Lebron pair up in the off season a Kyrie AD combo would be the best duo in a wide open no warrior super team league next season

I'm starting to think that 1 year of AD and a 1+1 Kyrie contract is a real possibility.

[Triple7]

Boy too bad kyrie gotta f this all up...unless kawhi and Lebron pair up in the off season a Kyrie AD combo would be the best duo in a wide open no warrior super team league next season

That duo can beat the raps and the bucks.

[SmartWentCrazy]

Boy too bad kyrie gotta f this all up...unless kawhi and Lebron pair up in the off season a Kyrie AD combo would be the best duo in a wide open no warrior super team league next season

I'm starting to think that 1 year of AD and a 1+1 Kyrie contract is a real possibility.

Kyrie has already verbally committed to the Nets, if you read between the lines of that Bulpett piece. Hes gone.

[MagicBagley18]

Boy too bad kyrie gotta f this all up...unless kawhi and Lebron pair up in the off season a Kyrie AD combo would be the best duo in a wide open no warrior super team league next season

I'm starting to think that 1 year of AD and a 1+1 Kyrie contract is a real possibility.

No chance. His best friend just tore his Achilles right before they were to team up essentially losing a year of them together add that to his injury history he’s going to want to secure the bag

[SmartWentCrazy]

There's an angle on this that I haven't really seen discussed much.

If you're Lakers management, do you really want to give up all your assets for a guy that is telling you he is coming to your team in 1 year?

They could essentially get AD in 1 year without giving up any assets.

Now, I know LeBron doesn't want to lose a year, but if you're Pelinka (or Buss or Rambis or whoever is making decisions), you can't completely discount the idea of just letting the Pels trade AD to us and then get him in a year KEEPING all your assets.

Their assets are probably at an all-time low right now. A year from now, you could have Ball and Ingram back as blue chippers, a #4 pick that delivers and Kuzma as a 3 point sniper.

They could be in a better situation a year from now as an organization if they actually wait.

The West is wide open— if the Lakers dont give up everything to pair LeBron and AD [including unprotected future picks] then their management is dumber than I thought.

[winsomme2]

Boy too bad kyrie gotta f this all up...unless kawhi and Lebron pair up in the off season a Kyrie AD combo would be the best duo in a wide open no warrior super team league next season

I'm starting to think that 1 year of AD and a 1+1 Kyrie contract is a real possibility.

Kyrie has already verbally committed to the Nets, if you read between the lines of that Bulpett piece. Hes gone.

I haven't read it. I'll have to check it out.

[MagicBagley18]

I'm starting to think that 1 year of AD and a 1+1 Kyrie contract is a real possibility.

Kyrie has already verbally committed to the Nets, if you read between the lines of that Bulpett piece. Hes gone.

I haven't read it. I'll have to check it out.

Gone

[MagicBagley18]

Unfortunately a Lebron and AD laker team with possibly another guy in free agency is likely in a west with no juggernaut....

[SmartWentCrazy]

Unfortunately a Lebron and AD laker team with possibly another guy in free agency is likely in a west with no juggernaut....

NO would stick them with Solomon Hill to prevent them from signing a max FA

[MagicBagley18]

Unfortunately a Lebron and AD laker team with possibly another guy in free agency is likely in a west with no juggernaut....

NO would stick them with Solomon Hill to prevent them from signing a max FA

We will see regardless....name a better duo

[Triple7]

Completely agree on everything here. Danny has signed a great coach, signed good free agents, drafted and developed well, traded well. Did almost everything right...


....but with that said Danny has to finish this rebuild with getting an MVP caliber player. And if that's AD and if it's an enormous risk then **** it. No matter how wide open the league is next year you're not beating Kawhi without someone of similar talent. Kyrie and everyone else on the roster is not that. Kawhi, Harden, LeBron, Embiid, Giannis - Celtics don't have that kind of talent on their roster.

If you miss on AD - who's the next guy of that level to become available? Is Giannis going to be unhappy soon? Is Morey going to decide to blow it up if Rockets don't make the finals next year and Harden becomes available? Those are very long shots to me if they ever happen.

Who knows— three years ago you wouldnt have believed me if I said Kawhi wouldve been dealt. This league changes so quickly that the best strategy is to remain flexible so you can pounce when the situation is right.

Yeah, but you can't be flexible forever. And what makes this situation not right and what makes you think that new superstar who demands a trade won't do it with one year left and he will have Celtics on his preferred list? Are Tatum and Brown going to be as attractive when they sign much bigger contracts? When we lose the MEM pick? What if that superstar is over 30 and has a much shorter window than AD if he stays?

I completely agree so many things can change in a short period of time, which is why I'm all for taking a chance now. If I told you back in September that Kyrie would nuke everything, Kawhi would win a title with Toronto, KD and Klay would suffer two most dangerous injuries in basketball etc. you likely wouldn't believe it.

I agree you can’t win without top talents like kawhi, giannis and AD. The thing is, AD doesn’t want to be here and he will leave us after a year. I don’t even think we can beat the raps or bucks with only AD and no 2nd option. Im ok to trade for AD if we have a shot of resigning him or make the finals. I just don’t see that happening.

That's where we disagree then. I don't think it's as likely AD leaves, maybe I'm even more to the opposite side.

He may be pushing for this so hard now because it's his only chance but when he gets to Boston and falls in love he'll flip the script and be reasonable IMO.

AD wants to win now and not waste another year of his prime, thats why he wants to be traded bad to the lakers and team up with lebron. Kyrie and AD would have been a nasty combo. I don’t think AD alone can beat the raps or the bucks. We need to have a sure fire contender to have a chance for AD to resign. I can’t see that if we don’t resign kyrie.

[zoyathedestroya]

If Pelicans plan on being competitive right away, why would they want to send AD to a Western conference team? If value is similar or not too far off from an East team offer, wouldn't you want to send him to the opposite conference?

[MagicBagley18]

If Pelicans plan on being competitive right away, why would they want to send AD to a Western conference team? If value is similar or not too far off from an East team offer, wouldn't you want to send him to the opposite conference?

IF value is similar, yes.

[TheOGJabroni]

Unfortunately a Lebron and AD laker team with possibly another guy in free agency is likely in a west with no juggernaut....

NO would stick them with Solomon Hill to prevent them from signing a max FA

We will see regardless....name a better duo

I mean, I get how good LeBron & AD are but the Lakers couldn't even make the playoffs in the west last year; as much as I think their young core is a little overrated, I don't see them becoming a juggernaut with just those two guys & not much else. I'm sure they'll fill out their roster but I don't think that puts them head & shoulders above teams like the Rockets, Nuggets, Blazers, etc. Of course the Warriors too, depending on how things shake out for them.

[zoyathedestroya]

PG to OKC. Butler to MIN. Butler to PHI. Kawhi to TOR. Blake to DET. Who else? There seems to be a recent precedence to this. Kyrie to BOS was an exception probably because we really had the best offer at the time. Combo of future asset (BKN pick) and the hope of still competing (didn't work out, didn't matter anyway).

[CeltsfaninDC]

There's an angle on this that I haven't really seen discussed much.

If you're Lakers management, do you really want to give up all your assets for a guy that is telling you he is coming to your team in 1 year?

They could essentially get AD in 1 year without giving up any assets.

Now, I know LeBron doesn't want to lose a year, but if you're Pelinka (or Buss or Rambis or whoever is making decisions), you can't completely discount the idea of just letting the Pels trade AD to us and then get him in a year KEEPING all your assets.

Their assets are probably at an all-time low right now. A year from now, you could have Ball and Ingram back as blue chippers, a #4 pick that delivers and Kuzma as a 3 point sniper.

They could be in a better situation a year from now as an organization if they actually wait.

exactly. You could get him for NOTHING next year, but you’re willing to give away nearly everything to do it now? Maybe they know they CAN’T get it done next year which is why they are pushing so hard to get it done now.