Around the NBA (Non-Celtics) 2020-21, Part 1

[zoyathedestroya]

Theis and Timelord both impacting the Cs more than Turner is impacting the Pacers. And they're getting paid about 3x less combined.

[Fierce1]

Theis and Timelord both impacting the Cs more than Turner is impacting the Pacers. And they're getting paid about 3x less combined.

So true.

[GoCeltics123]

Theis and Timelord both impacting the Cs more than Turner is impacting the Pacers. And they're getting paid about 3x less combined.

The Pacers are about to be 3 games under .500 and their schedule is BRUTAL the next 3 weeks

[GoCeltics123]

Theis and Timelord both impacting the Cs more than Turner is impacting the Pacers. And they're getting paid about 3x less combined.

The Pacers are about to be 3 games under .500 and their schedule is BRUTAL the next 3 weeks

Just checked, they're going to be under .500 by 3 games, and have @CLE, DEN, @LAL, @PHX, BKN, @MIA twice, @MIL coming up

[1st banana]

Theis and Timelord both impacting the Cs more than Turner is impacting the Pacers. And they're getting paid about 3x less combined.

The Pacers are about to be 3 games under .500 and their schedule is BRUTAL the next 3 weeks

Just checked, they're going to be under .500 by 3 games, and have @CLE, DEN, @LAL, @PHX, BKN, @MIA twice, @MIL coming up

Ooof not looking good for old Pritchard over there think they’d be quiet sellers at the deadline?

Not like they’ll deal with us anyways but they have a couple guys that could help.

[GoCeltics123]

The Pacers are about to be 3 games under .500 and their schedule is BRUTAL the next 3 weeks

Just checked, they're going to be under .500 by 3 games, and have @CLE, DEN, @LAL, @PHX, BKN, @MIA twice, @MIL coming up

Ooof not looking good for old Pritchard over there think they’d be quiet sellers at the deadline?

Not like they’ll deal with us anyways but they have a couple guys that could help.

They could be, but they don't have Warren or Levert right now to be fair.

Pritchard despises Danny though so sadly won't happen. Jeremy Lamb would be great here but not gonna happen sadly.

[zoyathedestroya]

Harden is making Bruce Brown look like an all-star. Can we trade Semi for KD just to see what Harden can make out of Ojeleye?

[1st banana]

Just checked, they're going to be under .500 by 3 games, and have @CLE, DEN, @LAL, @PHX, BKN, @MIA twice, @MIL coming up

Ooof not looking good for old Pritchard over there think they’d be quiet sellers at the deadline?

Not like they’ll deal with us anyways but they have a couple guys that could help.

They could be, but they don't have Warren or Levert right now to be fair.

Pritchard despises Danny though so sadly won't happen. Jeremy Lamb would be great here but not gonna happen sadly.

Yea any chance of him and Danny rekindling a friendship is done after the Hayward thing. Aaron holiday would be nice also.

Jazz really do have such great ball and player movement I don’t think there’s been a possession in like 15 mins that didn’t end in an open 3 or a layup/dunk.

[zoyathedestroya]

Harden is making Bruce Brown look like an all-star. Can we trade Semi for KD just to see what Harden can make out of Ojeleye?

Claxton had at least a dozen eaaaaasssy points.

Not a knock on the Jays. It's actually unfair to expect it out of them at this stage, but the way Harden and Kyrie deliver passes to their scrubs on time, on target is just next level. Simple PnRs leading to wide open threes and dunks. Doesn't matter what the defense looks like. Not much player movement on most of these possessions either. It's just Kyrie and Harden reading, drawing, and warping defenses.

[Shak_Celts]

Harden is making Bruce Brown look like an all-star. Can we trade Semi for KD just to see what Harden can make out of Ojeleye?

Claxton had at least a dozen eaaaaasssy points.

Not a knock on the Jays. It's actually unfair to expect it out of them at this stage, but the way Harden and Kyrie deliver passes to their scrubs on time, on target is just next level. Simple PnRs leading to wide open threes and dunks. Doesn't matter what the defense looks like. Not much player movement on most of these possessions either. It's just Kyrie and Harden reading, drawing, and warping defenses.

Not to forget mentioning both are essentially PGs. They SHOULD be better at it than the Jays and both have had the ball in their hands in ways the Jays either haven't or haven't for long for years. Apples to oranges.

[GrandTheftRondo]

As I said I can’t stand LeBron and seeing him manipulate the league like he has to ensure a lot of success since 2010 has been tiresome when winning titles is so hard for everyone else.

But I also can’t stand when people talk him down for playing next to great players. Since when has that ever been an argument against all time great players?

Jordan played with Pippen for all his titles. Kukoc, Rodman etc. For the time he had a great team that fit around him.

Bird had McHale, Parish, DJ and a number of other talented players on great teams.

Magic had Kareem, Worthy etc.

Kobe had Shaq, Pau, Odom etc.

I could go on and on. You need great rosters around you to win multiple titles in this league. Heck even winning one requires roster talent. If MJ etc never had Pippen etc he would have bailed on Chicago. LeBron is just the first star to put so much pressure on his teams to get talent around him. Modern players don’t want to waste their career praying and hoping that some star will just appear.

I don’t really care a great deal for the who is the GOAT arguments but you are absolutely kidding yourself if you don’t think LeBron is one of the greatest to ever lace them up.

The difference between Lebron and all the other compairisons is that none of those guys left town when the franchise took a dip or didnt have great players aside from the stars.

Mike lost
Magic lost
Bird Lost
Kobe lost

Lebron left to join a superteam, then left to join a superteam, then left to join a superteam.

They didn’t leave because they had stable franchises with stars around them. Kobe almost left when he had nobody around him.

LeBron bailed on a Cavs team that offered nothing and then went back to bring a title to his hometown. Yes he did end up with good rosters in Cleveland and LA but they weren’t instant superteams.

Reality is all these players played with other stars but for some reason LeBron not having access to a stable franchise and moving on is some massive negative to his greatness.

Jordan retired when the team refused to give him the roster he wanted in 1998. You think he would have stayed at the Bulls through the 90s if there was no Pippen etc?

[GrandTheftRondo]

Harden is making Bruce Brown look like an all-star. Can we trade Semi for KD just to see what Harden can make out of Ojeleye?

Claxton had at least a dozen eaaaaasssy points.

Not a knock on the Jays. It's actually unfair to expect it out of them at this stage, but the way Harden and Kyrie deliver passes to their scrubs on time, on target is just next level. Simple PnRs leading to wide open threes and dunks. Doesn't matter what the defense looks like. Not much player movement on most of these possessions either. It's just Kyrie and Harden reading, drawing, and warping defenses.

Let’s not pretend Kyrie is an elite passer. He makes some flashy passes but it has never been a strength of his.

Harden however has always been an amazing passer.

[zoyathedestroya]

Harden is making Bruce Brown look like an all-star. Can we trade Semi for KD just to see what Harden can make out of Ojeleye?

Claxton had at least a dozen eaaaaasssy points.

Not a knock on the Jays. It's actually unfair to expect it out of them at this stage, but the way Harden and Kyrie deliver passes to their scrubs on time, on target is just next level. Simple PnRs leading to wide open threes and dunks. Doesn't matter what the defense looks like. Not much player movement on most of these possessions either. It's just Kyrie and Harden reading, drawing, and warping defenses.

Not to forget mentioning both are essentially PGs. They SHOULD be better at it than the Jays and both have had the ball in their hands in ways the Jays either haven't or haven't for long for years. Apples to oranges.

A couple of points...

First, we aren't using the Jays right due to necessity. We need a playmaker moving forward. Smart is being missed. Hayward is being missed. Neither are elite in that department but they at least get the ball moving more often than not. Kemba isn't a primary playmaker in nature. He's more a scoring PG who also struggles seeing the floor against length.

Second, "our other guys" aren't as awful as people point them out to be compared to depth of teams like the Bucks or Nets. It's just that our stars aren't on the same level as Harden/KD/Giannis. So it's still about top talent.

Our stars might not be ready to win yet, regardless of the supporting cast we surround them with. Harrison Barnes and George Hill could help but ultimately it's still about how our top guys perform.

[zoyathedestroya]

Harden is making Bruce Brown look like an all-star. Can we trade Semi for KD just to see what Harden can make out of Ojeleye?

Claxton had at least a dozen eaaaaasssy points.

Not a knock on the Jays. It's actually unfair to expect it out of them at this stage, but the way Harden and Kyrie deliver passes to their scrubs on time, on target is just next level. Simple PnRs leading to wide open threes and dunks. Doesn't matter what the defense looks like. Not much player movement on most of these possessions either. It's just Kyrie and Harden reading, drawing, and warping defenses.

Let’s not pretend Kyrie is an elite passer. He makes some flashy passes but it has never been a strength of his.

Harden however has always been an amazing passer.

It's more a question of willingness with Kyrie than ability.

In any case, my point was we don't have anyone on their level in terms of playmaking, something we sorely need since we don't really have a "system" that we run. Not much player and ball movement where guys with limited scoring ability get easy looks.

[1st banana]

Kyrie Irving bricking multiple shots to close out the spurs is getting me so hot right now. Heading to OT

Edit: harden bricked a couple “layups” too but they were really just foul fishing flails.

[zoyathedestroya]

Hey... Is that Pop letting his guys figure it out even after Nets scored 8 straight points in OT. Where's the timeout, Pop?

[GrandTheftRondo]

Claxton had at least a dozen eaaaaasssy points.

Not a knock on the Jays. It's actually unfair to expect it out of them at this stage, but the way Harden and Kyrie deliver passes to their scrubs on time, on target is just next level. Simple PnRs leading to wide open threes and dunks. Doesn't matter what the defense looks like. Not much player movement on most of these possessions either. It's just Kyrie and Harden reading, drawing, and warping defenses.

Let’s not pretend Kyrie is an elite passer. He makes some flashy passes but it has never been a strength of his.

Harden however has always been an amazing passer.

It's more a question of willingness with Kyrie than ability.

In any case, my point was we don't have anyone on their level in terms of playmaking, something we sorely need since we don't really have a "system" that we run. Not much player and ball movement where guys with limited scoring ability get easy looks.

I think he can be a good passer at times yes but being an elite passer is something I’ve always believed is natural. Harden, LeBron, Doncic, CP3, Rondo etc have a feel for the game that can’t be learned.

Definitely do wish we had someone like that.

[bucknersrevenge]

Claxton had at least a dozen eaaaaasssy points.

Not a knock on the Jays. It's actually unfair to expect it out of them at this stage, but the way Harden and Kyrie deliver passes to their scrubs on time, on target is just next level. Simple PnRs leading to wide open threes and dunks. Doesn't matter what the defense looks like. Not much player movement on most of these possessions either. It's just Kyrie and Harden reading, drawing, and warping defenses.

Not to forget mentioning both are essentially PGs. They SHOULD be better at it than the Jays and both have had the ball in their hands in ways the Jays either haven't or haven't for long for years. Apples to oranges.

A couple of points...

First, we aren't using the Jays right due to necessity. We need a playmaker moving forward. Smart is being missed. Hayward is being missed. Neither are elite in that department but they at least get the ball moving more often than not. Kemba isn't a primary playmaker in nature. He's more a scoring PG who also struggles seeing the floor against length.

Second, "our other guys" aren't as awful as people point them out to be compared to depth of teams like the Bucks or Nets. It's just that our stars aren't on the same level as Harden/KD/Giannis. So it's still about top talent.

Our stars might not be ready to win yet, regardless of the supporting cast we surround them with. Harrison Barnes and George Hill could help but ultimately it's still about how our top guys perform.

If this is true. And you and I have been discussing this very thing of late, then we recognize that 24 and 22 year olds don't lead teams to championships. They are not in their prime years. Then would you say that it may be another 2 years before we should realistically talk about them trying to get to the Finals? And then if you would say that, then it means that Danny really has the next 2-3 years or so to add the right veteran talent mix to this team to complement the Jay's?

[zoyathedestroya]

Not to forget mentioning both are essentially PGs. They SHOULD be better at it than the Jays and both have had the ball in their hands in ways the Jays either haven't or haven't for long for years. Apples to oranges.

A couple of points...

First, we aren't using the Jays right due to necessity. We need a playmaker moving forward. Smart is being missed. Hayward is being missed. Neither are elite in that department but they at least get the ball moving more often than not. Kemba isn't a primary playmaker in nature. He's more a scoring PG who also struggles seeing the floor against length.

Second, "our other guys" aren't as awful as people point them out to be compared to depth of teams like the Bucks or Nets. It's just that our stars aren't on the same level as Harden/KD/Giannis. So it's still about top talent.

Our stars might not be ready to win yet, regardless of the supporting cast we surround them with. Harrison Barnes and George Hill could help but ultimately it's still about how our top guys perform.

If this is true. And you and I have been discussing this very thing of late, then we recognize that 24 and 22 year olds don't lead teams to championships. They are not in their prime years. Then would you say that it may be another 2 years before we should realistically talk about them trying to get to the Finals? And then if you would say that, then it means that Danny really has the next 2-3 years or so to add the right veteran talent mix to this team to complement the Jay's?

Yep. I get carried away too many times and expect too much too soon from the Jays. Why I'm leaning Cs become more seller than buyer this trade deadline. Or if we're using the TPE, use it on someone that fit alongside them the next 3-4 years and not some band-aid that can help us get to another ECF but nothing more.

[playa-hater]

Harden is making Bruce Brown look like an all-star. Can we trade Semi for KD just to see what Harden can make out of Ojeleye?

Claxton had at least a dozen eaaaaasssy points.

Not a knock on the Jays. It's actually unfair to expect it out of them at this stage, but the way Harden and Kyrie deliver passes to their scrubs on time, on target is just next level. Simple PnRs leading to wide open threes and dunks. Doesn't matter what the defense looks like. Not much player movement on most of these possessions either. It's just Kyrie and Harden reading, drawing, and warping defenses.

Not to forget mentioning both are essentially PGs. They SHOULD be better at it than the Jays and both have had the ball in their hands in ways the Jays either haven't or haven't for long for years. Apples to oranges.

Agree. I think the better comp for our Js should be Kawhi and PG. On that note Tatum and JB > Kawhi, PG and J Butler for that matter for an age comparison.