Hal’s Draft Thread

[steefP2]

I’ll just say about Vrenz that as a fellow Belgian I want nothing more than him to succeed but I really do feel like that’s an extreme long shot. He can pass, handle and shoot ok while being tall as ****. That’s good obviously but he’s soooo soft, his body is the furthest from inspiring and the Belgian league is really terrible.

If he gets drafted, I doubt we him see him stateside before 2-3 years from now. He’d 90% be a draft and stash guy imo


Even if he does come over he’s a long term project so just adjust expectations accordingly

Everything you are saying could be true or can become true. But it is hard to tell for sure sometimes. Giannis had the same knocks against him with his even slighter build. Same for Poku. Vrenz may have a lower floor. But drafting him one has to assume Boston believes they can get him to the point where he can overcome his weaknesses. The Big difference is Vrenz won't be costing Boston a first rd pick. So why not swing for the fences.

To an extent sure, but even disregarding that, I doubt the Celtics are going to want to draft another draft and stash guy.

[playa-hater]

I’ll just say about Vrenz that as a fellow Belgian I want nothing more than him to succeed but I really do feel like that’s an extreme long shot. He can pass, handle and shoot ok while being tall as ****. That’s good obviously but he’s soooo soft, his body is the furthest from inspiring and the Belgian league is really terrible.

If he gets drafted, I doubt we him see him stateside before 2-3 years from now. He’d 90% be a draft and stash guy imo


Even if he does come over he’s a long term project so just adjust expectations accordingly

Everything you are saying could be true or can become true. But it is hard to tell for sure sometimes. Giannis had the same knocks against him with his even slighter build. Same for Poku. Vrenz may have a lower floor. But drafting him one has to assume Boston believes they can get him to the point where he can overcome his weaknesses. The Big difference is Vrenz won't be costing Boston a first rd pick. So why not swing for the fences.

To an extent sure, but even disregarding that, I doubt the Celtics are going to want to draft another draft and stash guy.

Even if Vrenz isn't ready, I think coming stateside, and having Boston's/NBA's top flight facilities/trainers + the G-league would be better for his progress than going back overseas.

that and the "rumor" was Boston likes Vrenz.. so who knows..

[steefP2]

Everything you are saying could be true or can become true. But it is hard to tell for sure sometimes. Giannis had the same knocks against him with his even slighter build. Same for Poku. Vrenz may have a lower floor. But drafting him one has to assume Boston believes they can get him to the point where he can overcome his weaknesses. The Big difference is Vrenz won't be costing Boston a first rd pick. So why not swing for the fences.

To an extent sure, but even disregarding that, I doubt the Celtics are going to want to draft another draft and stash guy.

Even if Vrenz isn't ready, I think coming stateside, and having Boston's/NBA's top flight facilities/trainers + the G-league would be better for his progress than going back overseas.

that and the "rumor" was Boston likes Vrenz.. so who knows..

Everyone I read that has reported on him and his draft positioning seems to think he’s gonna be a draft and stash. That’s obviously not a lock but I don’t have anything to contradict that so I’m just going in with that as my prior

[playa-hater]

To an extent sure, but even disregarding that, I doubt the Celtics are going to want to draft another draft and stash guy.

Even if Vrenz isn't ready, I think coming stateside, and having Boston's/NBA's top flight facilities/trainers + the G-league would be better for his progress than going back overseas.

that and the "rumor" was Boston likes Vrenz.. so who knows..

Everyone I read that has reported on him and his draft positioning seems to think he’s gonna be a draft and stash. That’s obviously not a lock but I don’t have anything to contradict that so I’m just going in with that as my prior

fair enough

[Half-Full]

Everything you are saying could be true or can become true. But it is hard to tell for sure sometimes. Giannis had the same knocks against him with his even slighter build. Same for Poku. Vrenz may have a lower floor. But drafting him one has to assume Boston believes they can get him to the point where he can overcome his weaknesses. The Big difference is Vrenz won't be costing Boston a first rd pick. So why not swing for the fences.

To an extent sure, but even disregarding that, I doubt the Celtics are going to want to draft another draft and stash guy.

Even if Vrenz isn't ready, I think coming stateside, and having Boston's/NBA's top flight facilities/trainers + the G-league would be better for his progress than going back overseas.

that and the "rumor" was Boston likes Vrenz.. so who knows..

Found this interesting interview with Vrenz. It's from a few years back, but provides some insight into his background (basketball runs in his family). He comes across as dedicated to the game. Clearly, he needs to build his strength, but that shouldn't be too hard. As you say, top flight facilities/trainers will see to it.

Watch on YouTube

Vrenz is 20 years old, 6'10", a good ball handler and playmaker, and he's been playing professionally since he was 16. Yeah, in Belgium, but still. I would not be unhappy if we drafted this kid.

Watch on YouTube

[Hal14]

To an extent sure, but even disregarding that, I doubt the Celtics are going to want to draft another draft and stash guy.

Even if Vrenz isn't ready, I think coming stateside, and having Boston's/NBA's top flight facilities/trainers + the G-league would be better for his progress than going back overseas.

that and the "rumor" was Boston likes Vrenz.. so who knows..

Found this interesting interview with Vrenz. It's from a few years back, but provides some insight into his background (basketball runs in his family). He comes across as dedicated to the game. Clearly, he needs to build his strength, but that shouldn't be too hard. As you say, top flight facilities/trainers will see to it.

Watch on YouTube

Vrenz is 20 years old, 6'10", a good ball handler and playmaker, and he's been playing professionally since he was 16. Yeah, in Belgium, but still. I would not be unhappy if we drafted this kid.

Watch on YouTube

He's actually 6'11"

Read on Twitter

[playa-hater]

Even if Vrenz isn't ready, I think coming stateside, and having Boston's/NBA's top flight facilities/trainers + the G-league would be better for his progress than going back overseas.

that and the "rumor" was Boston likes Vrenz.. so who knows..

Found this interesting interview with Vrenz. It's from a few years back, but provides some insight into his background (basketball runs in his family). He comes across as dedicated to the game. Clearly, he needs to build his strength, but that shouldn't be too hard. As you say, top flight facilities/trainers will see to it.

Watch on YouTube

Vrenz is 20 years old, 6'10", a good ball handler and playmaker, and he's been playing professionally since he was 16. Yeah, in Belgium, but still. I would not be unhappy if we drafted this kid.

Watch on YouTube

He's actually 6'11"

Read on Twitter

so basically from what I gather, he is the Belgium version of Giannis. Or should I say the "Belgium freak".. not bad for a 2nd rd pick

[Hal14]

Being realistic, I doubt we draft Vrenz. He tweeted that he's got workouts scheduled with 14 teams in 23 days. Celtics are not 1 of them.

So more than likely, he'd gonna get drafted by 1 of those 14 teams and not us.

[Hal14]

Signing veterans over rookies is better, no debate. BUT we don't have the money/cap space for 5 vets. But we still have scrubs at least 5 scrubs to replace, such as Semi-T Waters-Edwards-Tacko (so sorry I said that) TT (yes I said that) Grant Williams (not a scrub, but not a real answer either) Romeo (who the hell knows??)

So one talented second rder doesn't hurt the team's age if they are replacing a C Edwards type of talent all while maybe getting a future solid contributor.

Good point, Play hater. A good veteran player costs anywhere from $9-$40 mil a year. You scout well enough and land a good pick in the 2nd round, you're only paying him $1-$3 mil a year, and the contract is not guaranteed, you can cut him at anytime, so much less risk.

LOl..... that is all

Troll me if you must, but what I'm getting at is you have Player A and Player B and they're basically equal in terms of talent/ability, but Player A is 2nd round pick and Player B is a veteran, why not go with the 2nd round pick since you can pay him a lot less $, and you can use that $ you saved to upgrade other parts of the roster.

[Feed Your Head]

It’s not first round talent being drafted in the 2nd round this year, it’s 2nd round talent being drafted later in the first round.

I’d love for them to pick a guy who will help the team, but chances of that are extremely low.

[Parliament10]

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[playa-hater]

It’s not first round talent being drafted in the 2nd round this year, it’s 2nd round talent being drafted later in the first round.

I’d love for them to pick a guy who will help the team, but chances of that are extremely low.

damn we will look back at this one brother.. yee of little faith.

meanwhile

Mike Mazzeo: JT Thor has worked out with 11 teams: Indiana, Charlotte, Memphis, Houston, Boston, San Antonio, Chicago, New York, Brooklyn, Atlanta and New Orleans. He also has an interview slated with Utah 13 hours ago – via Twitter MazzNYC

[playa-hater]

** Also

Adam Zagoria: Former @AuburnMBB PG Sharife Cooper has worked out for these teams, not the Knicks (yet): Charlotte OKC Indy Houston GS LAL LAC Boston 13 hours

[Hal14]

It’s not first round talent being drafted in the 2nd round this year, it’s 2nd round talent being drafted later in the first round.

I’d love for them to pick a guy who will help the team, but chances of that are extremely low.

That's your opinion.

My opinion is that several guys projected to go in the 2nd round (Josh Christopher, Santi Aldama, Juhann Begarin, Jeremiah Robinson-Earl, Moses Wright, Isaiah Todd, BJ Boston, Vrenz Bleijenbergh, Miles McBride, etc.) are 1st round talents who could help the Celtics - maybe not right away but eventually, yes.

To each his own..

[Dogen]

Man stevens really is a genius.....he gives up #16 in the draft to shed kemba -BUT WAIT!?!?!! (sham wow infomercial voice) he really didn’t because picks 11-50 are interchangeable so we actually have a true 1st @45

Dudes playing 4d chess

Not only that, but if Brad trades that #45 pick back to 50, it’s effectively Iike moving up from 16 to #11.

We’re right back in the lottery! Brilliant!

[playa-hater]

Man stevens really is a genius.....he gives up #16 in the draft to shed kemba -BUT WAIT!?!?!! (sham wow infomercial voice) he really didn’t because picks 11-50 are interchangeable so we actually have a true 1st @45

Dudes playing 4d chess

Not only that, but if Brad trades that #45 pick back to 50, it’s effectively Iike moving up from 16 to #11.

We’re right back in the lottery! Brilliant!

[cloverleaf]

Found this interesting interview with Vrenz. It's from a few years back, but provides some insight into his background (basketball runs in his family). He comes across as dedicated to the game. Clearly, he needs to build his strength, but that shouldn't be too hard. As you say, top flight facilities/trainers will see to it.

Watch on YouTube

Vrenz is 20 years old, 6'10", a good ball handler and playmaker, and he's been playing professionally since he was 16. Yeah, in Belgium, but still. I would not be unhappy if we drafted this kid.

Watch on YouTube

He's actually 6'11"

Read on Twitter

so basically from what I gather, he is the Belgium version of Giannis. Or should I say the "Belgium freak".. not bad for a 2nd rd pick

A bit sensitive there re: height. Measurement without shoes is of course more accurate.

[Hal14]

This dude might be high (literally) but he's still got an eye for talent..

Watch on YouTube

[Hal14]

He's actually 6'11"

Read on Twitter

so basically from what I gather, he is the Belgium version of Giannis. Or should I say the "Belgium freak".. not bad for a 2nd rd pick

A bit sensitive there re: height. Measurement without shoes is of course more accurate.

Measurement with shoes are the official measurements used by the NBA. They also round up if they're a 1/2 inch over..

[djFan71]

Good point, Play hater. A good veteran player costs anywhere from $9-$40 mil a year. You scout well enough and land a good pick in the 2nd round, you're only paying him $1-$3 mil a year, and the contract is not guaranteed, you can cut him at anytime, so much less risk.

LOl..... that is all

Troll me if you must, but what I'm getting at is you have Player A and Player B and they're basically equal in terms of talent/ability, but Player A is 2nd round pick and Player B is a veteran, why not go with the 2nd round pick since you can pay him a lot less $, and you can use that $ you saved to upgrade other parts of the roster.

That's the thing though. They may seem roughly equal, but they're not. Small differences in skill, size, athleticism, reaction time, experience, etc make a HUGE difference in this league. You're right if they are truly equal and we're talking end of the roster. But a vet that is equal to pick #45 is not getting $9M. They're getting the vet min. Then you lean towards the vet, esp on such a young team.

Obviously, you do what you can to nail pick #45 and hope you get a contributor. But that kinda goes without saying, right? And you replace Tacko/Waters/Semi with that pick and still bring in vets to round out the bottom of the roster. Esp if we clear some spots with a trade.