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Free Agent/Trade/Waiver Thread, 2025-26, part 2

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Re: Free Agent/Trade/Waiver Thread, 2025-26, part 2 

Post#1601 » by jmr07019 » Yesterday 12:29 am

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jmr07019 wrote:I've had my eye on Gafford for a while but I wonder if Queta's play this year has made it not worth trading for Gafford. Is Gafford going to start over Queta? I haven't seen enough of Gafford to answer that question.


If Gafford is not starting over Queta, are you prepared to pay Queta more than Gafford? Queta has a team option for next year and is a FA in 2027. At that point the Celtics would be paying 35+ million for two centers who can't shoot 3's and neither one is a top 20 center.

If Gafford is clearly better and Queta goes back to a bench role (keeping his extension down, most likely) it makes a lot more sense.

Who's better between Gafford and Queta is up for debate.

But who's clearly better than Queta is Claxton.

Claxton is more expensive, but he has a declining contract.
Maybe Claxton is a better fit with the Cs than Gafford.


Pritchard / Simons
White / Hugo
Brown / Walsh
Tatum / Minott
Claxton / Queta

That's a nice front court. Lots of size and athleticism. I would be excited to go into next season with that team. It would be a strong contender to come out of the east, perhaps the favorite depending on how well Tatum plays.
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Re: Free Agent/Trade/Waiver Thread, 2025-26, part 2 

Post#1602 » by Fierce1 » Yesterday 12:36 am

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Fierce1 wrote:
jmr07019 wrote:I've had my eye on Gafford for a while but I wonder if Queta's play this year has made it not worth trading for Gafford. Is Gafford going to start over Queta? I haven't seen enough of Gafford to answer that question.


If Gafford is not starting over Queta, are you prepared to pay Queta more than Gafford? Queta has a team option for next year and is a FA in 2027. At that point the Celtics would be paying 35+ million for two centers who can't shoot 3's and neither one is a top 20 center.

If Gafford is clearly better and Queta goes back to a bench role (keeping his extension down, most likely) it makes a lot more sense.

Who's better between Gafford and Queta is up for debate.

But who's clearly better than Queta is Claxton.

Claxton is more expensive, but he has a declining contract.
Maybe Claxton is a better fit with the Cs than Gafford.


Pritchard / Simons
White / Hugo
Brown / Walsh
Tatum / Minott
Claxton / Queta

That's a nice front court. Lots of size and athleticism. I would be excited to go into next season with that team. It would be a strong contender to come out of the east, perhaps the favorite depending on how well Tatum plays.

Cs can't get Claxton if it's not Simons going out in the trade.

So Hauser will be the one staying and Simons will be the one going out.

My dream scenario Cs get Claxton for Simons then Brad trades Hauser for Coby White or Tre Jones.

The Cs still need that 3rd PG.
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Re: Free Agent/Trade/Waiver Thread, 2025-26, part 2 

Post#1603 » by jmr07019 » Yesterday 12:44 am

Fierce1 wrote:
jmr07019 wrote:
Fierce1 wrote:Who's better between Gafford and Queta is up for debate.

But who's clearly better than Queta is Claxton.

Claxton is more expensive, but he has a declining contract.
Maybe Claxton is a better fit with the Cs than Gafford.


Pritchard / Simons
White / Hugo
Brown / Walsh
Tatum / Minott
Claxton / Queta

That's a nice front court. Lots of size and athleticism. I would be excited to go into next season with that team. It would be a strong contender to come out of the east, perhaps the favorite depending on how well Tatum plays.

Cs can't get Claxton if it's not Simons going out in the trade.

So Hauser will be the one staying and Simons will be the one going out.

My dream scenario Cs get Claxton for Simons then Brad trades Hauser for Coby White or Tre Jones.

The Cs still need that 3rd PG.


You're right. I was thinking Claxton could fit into the Porzingis tpe but he's a tad too expensive.

I like Coby White and Tre Jones too. Would be happy with those moves.
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Re: Free Agent/Trade/Waiver Thread, 2025-26, part 2 

Post#1604 » by brackdan70 » Yesterday 12:50 am

Yeah Gafford probably makes too much for a back up C, and I think Queta is at least his equal.
I like the Claxton ideas.
I’d like Stevens to find the Josh Minott of Centers….
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Re: Free Agent/Trade/Waiver Thread, 2025-26, part 2 

Post#1605 » by redslastlaugh » Yesterday 1:11 am

brackdan70 wrote:Yeah Gafford probably makes too much for a back up C, and I think Queta is at least his equal.
I like the Claxton ideas.
I’d like Stevens to find the Josh Minott of Centers….


I haven't watched a lot of Pellies this year... But from the stats/highlights they have an interesting undiscoverd big in Karlo Matkovic ...

Matkovic is showing some Daniel Theis potential to start this year. Karlo shooting >70% from the field, shooting >44% 3PTA and is making $2M this year with a team option for $2.3M next year

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Re: Free Agent/Trade/Waiver Thread, 2025-26, part 2 

Post#1606 » by Fierce1 » Yesterday 1:21 am

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brackdan70 wrote:Yeah Gafford probably makes too much for a back up C, and I think Queta is at least his equal.
I like the Claxton ideas.
I’d like Stevens to find the Josh Minott of Centers….


I haven't watched a lot of Pellies this year... But from the stats/highlights they have an interesting undiscoverd big in Karlo Matkovic ...

Matkovic is showing some Daniel Theis potential to start this year. Karlo shooting >70% from the field, shooting >44% 3PTA and is making $2M this year with a team option for $2.3M next year


Cs need a more experienced Center.

Matkovic is not ready for the playoffs.
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Re: Free Agent/Trade/Waiver Thread, 2025-26, part 2 

Post#1607 » by Fierce1 » Yesterday 1:54 am

It's really about the bigs this season.

You can see the top teams have quality bigs.

Even Miami is surprisingly good and they're doing it with a double big lineup of Bam and Ware.

If the Cs want to keep up, Brad needs to add a reliable Center.

Even if Tatum returns and the Cs only have Queta as the reliable big, Cs are exiting the playoffs in the 1st or 2nd round.
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Re: Free Agent/Trade/Waiver Thread, 2025-26, part 2 

Post#1608 » by hugepatsfan » Yesterday 1:58 am

Fierce1 wrote:
jmr07019 wrote:
Fierce1 wrote:Who's better between Gafford and Queta is up for debate.

But who's clearly better than Queta is Claxton.

Claxton is more expensive, but he has a declining contract.
Maybe Claxton is a better fit with the Cs than Gafford.


Pritchard / Simons
White / Hugo
Brown / Walsh
Tatum / Minott
Claxton / Queta

That's a nice front court. Lots of size and athleticism. I would be excited to go into next season with that team. It would be a strong contender to come out of the east, perhaps the favorite depending on how well Tatum plays.

Cs can't get Claxton if it's not Simons going out in the trade.

So Hauser will be the one staying and Simons will be the one going out.

My dream scenario Cs get Claxton for Simons then Brad trades Hauser for Coby White or Tre Jones.

The Cs still need that 3rd PG.


Simons for Claxton and then Hauser for White would be legit. Probably takes a good haul of draft picks though. But worth it if they think they can re-sign White this offseason.

I'm kind of hesitant on that though because it's such a huge variable with White's contract. Lots of teams have cap space this offseason and if someone offers White like $35M I don't think BOS can fit that in their budget long term along with Claxton, who is a bigger need.

I don't think Tre Jones is worth it. I'd rather go into next year with:

DWhite / Pritchard
Brown / Hugo
Hauser / Walsh
Tatum / Minott
Claxton / Queta

than

Pritchard / Jones
DWhite / Hugo
Brown / Walsh
Tatum / Minott
Claxton / Queta

Hauser's shooting and being a taller defender is more valuable on the team once Tatum returns as a point forward type of player. For THIS year's team, I agree swapping Hauser for Jones would be a bigger gain if Simons is moved for Claxton because we'd be shot on ball handlers. But I'd rather dedicate that salary slot to what benefits the team next year with Tatum over trying to salvage this year. Our real window is with Tatum back so that's what the resources should be allocated to.

Now, if it's CWhite, that's different...

CWhite / Pritchard
DWhite / Hugo
Brown / Walsh
Tatum / Minott
Claxton / Queta

If you can do that both in terms of trade value and within payroll constraints you do it.
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Re: Free Agent/Trade/Waiver Thread, 2025-26, part 2 

Post#1609 » by Hal14 » Yesterday 2:36 am

Simons and Claxton were in trade rumors all summer..if they were gonna get traded for each other, it likely would have happened by now.
Nothing wrong with having a different opinion - as long as it's done respectfully. It'd be lame if we all agreed on everything :)
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Re: Free Agent/Trade/Waiver Thread, 2025-26, part 2 

Post#1610 » by hugepatsfan » Yesterday 3:03 am

Hal14 wrote:Simons and Claxton were in trade rumors all summer..if they were gonna get traded for each other, it would have happened by now.


I don’t agree with that. Plenty of players can spend even years in trade rumors before the smoke ever turns to fire. Team goals change based on player performance and development (or lack thereof) of certain players changes team needs and willingness to deal.

Celtics may well have thought Simons would play better than he has this year. They may well have thought their team would be worse than it has been and thus now more willing to add draft capital to the swap since there’s more current season benefit. The Nets might wanted to have maintained a bit of continuity heading into the year. Dayron Sharpe and Noah Clowney play this year might have them feeling Clowney is more expendable. Lots of things can change with teams motivations in-season.
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Re: Free Agent/Trade/Waiver Thread, 2025-26, part 2 

Post#1611 » by Fierce1 » Yesterday 3:10 am

Hal14 wrote:Simons and Claxton were in trade rumors all summer..if they were gonna get traded for each other, it would have happened by now.

Doesn't really matter because that's just one of the possibilities.
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Re: Free Agent/Trade/Waiver Thread, 2025-26, part 2 

Post#1612 » by Fierce1 » Yesterday 3:23 am

I believe Brad will be making a move to improve the roster because Tatum is coming back.

The 2nd apron is out of the question.
I don't think the Cs will go back to the 2nd apron any time soon.

Maybe resetting the repeater is an option.
If that happens then Simons gets traded for a player having a contract of around 13-15m.

But I think the Cs will stay at the 1st apron and get another Center like Claxton, Gafford, or even Rob Williams.

So this is just a waiting game.
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Re: Free Agent/Trade/Waiver Thread, 2025-26, part 2 

Post#1613 » by djFan71 » Yesterday 3:31 am

Hal14 wrote:Simons and Claxton were in trade rumors all summer..if they were gonna get traded for each other, it likely would have happened by now.

I saw variations of this all summer too and still think the argument is lazy, lol. 8-)
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Re: Free Agent/Trade/Waiver Thread, 2025-26, part 2 

Post#1614 » by jfs1000d » Yesterday 3:43 am

Simons for a big makes the most sense. We aren’t adding salary until the summer, so chill on using any TPEs.
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Re: Free Agent/Trade/Waiver Thread, 2025-26, part 2 

Post#1615 » by hugepatsfan » Yesterday 3:56 am

Fierce1 wrote:I don't think the Cs will go back to the 2nd apron any time soon.


That's closer than you think if they make the moves you've been suggesting (trading for Claxton and keeping Hauser)...

If they traded Simons for Claxton and kept Hauser, just to add placeholders for some math...

They will be $5,887,274 below the projected tax line for 26-27 with 12 players signed (Tatum/Brown/White/Claxton/Hauser/Hugo/Scheierman/Garza/Minott/Queta/Walsh). They could sign a taxpayers MLE player and their draft pick, start the season over the tax line and dip under it midseason with some back of the roster math. If we end up in the lottery and the pick goes high enough then scratch the MLE, but that's a good problem to have.

27-28 is where the payroll situation gets murky if they're still paying repeater tax rates, however. Tatum/Brown/White/Claxton/Hauser/Pritchard/Hugo/Scheierman alone (8 players) puts them $15.8M below the tax line, $25.3M below the 1st apron and $39.3M below the 2nd apron. If you assume full MLE for Queta (projected $15.9M) and taxpayers MLE for Walsh/Minott ($6.4M each) then filling out the roster with 3 more minimum salaries ($2.6M each) then that combined total is $36.5M. This doesn't include any draft picks though, which admittedly they could clear room for by moving on from Schierman.

Then in 28-29, Claxton and Pritchard are FAs so they'd project to be back over the 2nd apron if they retain or replace those guys.

And none of this is including your Coby White dreams of course...

Playing all the math out, that's why I believe it's prudent to ditch Hauser if they add a big salary center like Claxton or whoever. I don't believe this team can sustain a payroll at or over the 2nd apron at repeater rates, and that's exactly where they're going to be in 27-28 and 28-29 if they add that big man and keep Hauser. But dealing with the loss of Hauser resets the repeater rates these next two years and makes it all very sustainable long term.
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Re: Free Agent/Trade/Waiver Thread, 2025-26, part 2 

Post#1616 » by redslastlaugh » Yesterday 4:38 am

Putting aside the roster math, one thing I've noticed about Brad Stevens is he seems to want his top 6 or 7 to be "his guys" and he doesn't want roster churn or turnover.

I think Brad has a theory of basketball & human character and he wants to acquire players like White, Holiday, Horford who can defend, shoot, space the floor, and have personal integrity. I don't think he wants to acquire players for financial reasons or asset management reasons.

If a high ceiling player that wasn't an archetypal Brad Stevens player was available in the draft at a low value pick slot, say, like, the #30 pick, I don't think Brad would "take the asset" to figure it out later, because he doesn't want to manage the team that way. Remember when Danny Ainge acquired Ricky Davis, Chris Mihm and a first in trade, and this was just an asset management trade, getting undervalued players to develop to hopefully trade them again for the players Danny really wanted. I don't think Brad has any interest in trades like this.

Perhaps Brad is partly uneasy with Anfernee Simons questions (didn't even have a press conference) because Brad hates the situation, that he had to trade Jrue Holiday to acquire Anfernee Simons, a move he only made for financial reasons.

And so, when you look at the bigman Brad has spent on, I don't see Nic Claxton as fitting the "Brad Stevens" mold, & I personally doubt Brad would trade for him because a $20 million center who doesn't provide shooting is just going to be another roster problem down the road ... and so I would be surprised if Brad goes the Nic Claxton route.

hugepatsfan wrote:
Fierce1 wrote:I don't think the Cs will go back to the 2nd apron any time soon.


That's closer than you think if they make the moves you've been suggesting (trading for Claxton and keeping Hauser)...

If they traded Simons for Claxton and kept Hauser, just to add placeholders for some math...

And none of this is including your Coby White dreams of course...

Playing all the math out, that's why I believe it's prudent to ditch Hauser if they add a big salary center like Claxton or whoever. I don't believe this team can sustain a payroll at or over the 2nd apron at repeater rates, and that's exactly where they're going to be in 27-28 and 28-29 if they add that big man and keep Hauser. But dealing with the loss of Hauser resets the repeater rates these next two years and makes it all very sustainable long term.
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Re: Free Agent/Trade/Waiver Thread, 2025-26, part 2 

Post#1617 » by djFan71 » Yesterday 6:28 am

I'd love to help solve OKC's Hartenstein $ problem in the summer. If we trade Simons and get a new TPE, it's still just shy of his salary. If you get expirings in that Simons deal or keep Simons and he expires, you may be out of luck unless I'm missing something.

If you get Gafford, you can combine him and Hauser for a trade. Both would have value, so you wouldn't have to pay a 3rd team to take them, and probably even get value to help pay for Hart. Claxton or Mann or player Y would also work, varying values of course.

Side note: I want Tillman gone just so I can use X for unknown players again without confusion. Not really, cuz he seems like a good, mildly useful dude for 13-14th player, but it is annoying. Simons too with the Simon's autocorrect.
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Re: Free Agent/Trade/Waiver Thread, 2025-26, part 2 

Post#1618 » by celtxman » Yesterday 1:26 pm

playa-hater wrote:You can make the argument that Kalk, at this moment, may actually be better than Gafford. But If you factor in pay-scale then Kalk is so much better than Gafford. Stevens F*cked up by not drafting Kalk as much as Ainge messed up by not "keeping/drafting" Desmond Bane.

That is a mistake that may costs us dearly over time.

Agreed. It seemed like a layup to draft Kalkbrenner. This isn't Monday morning quarterbacking. Many of us suggested it.
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Re: Free Agent/Trade/Waiver Thread, 2025-26, part 2 

Post#1619 » by Larry_Russell » Yesterday 1:40 pm

Fierce1 wrote:
redslastlaugh wrote:
brackdan70 wrote:Yeah Gafford probably makes too much for a back up C, and I think Queta is at least his equal.
I like the Claxton ideas.
I’d like Stevens to find the Josh Minott of Centers….


I haven't watched a lot of Pellies this year... But from the stats/highlights they have an interesting undiscoverd big in Karlo Matkovic ...

Matkovic is showing some Daniel Theis potential to start this year. Karlo shooting >70% from the field, shooting >44% 3PTA and is making $2M this year with a team option for $2.3M next year


Cs need a more experienced Center.

Matkovic is not ready for the playoffs.



Celtics arent ready for the playoffs.
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Re: Free Agent/Trade/Waiver Thread, 2025-26, part 2 

Post#1620 » by celtxman » Yesterday 1:41 pm

jmr07019 wrote:
celtxman wrote:
jmr07019 wrote:
You're dont. If you want to reset the repeater tax then the window for championship contention would be the following 3 years after it's been reset.

Yes. This is what I'm getting to. Who gets to tell Tatum, Brown and DWhite they won't be a championship contender for another year?


I've been against the idea the entire time. I went to the game last night. 2 beers and a slice of pizza was $55. I don't want to here about the tax bill.

Wait a minute. The Celtics set an ALLTIME record of over $300 million saved by an owner. You should have bought a hot dog too to support the cause!
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