The (Where Ainges Fear to) Trade Thread, 2016-17 (1.0)

[canman1971]

Listen, I guarantee Stevens has never said a word to any reporter/analyst about cousins. And I am not a fan of people putting words in other's mouths.

Lowe didn't say "I think" or "I heard" or anything remotely soft. He said very matter of fact that Brad Stevens does not want to coach Cousins.

I'd guarantee that players and coaches do talk with Lowe about other players off the record. He's arguably the most respected NBA writer and people do share a lot with him. I'd find it far more plausible that Lowe is telling the truth and heard from Stevens or a direct link to him than that he's making it up.

Edit- I lied. He said "I don't think". I still maintain that he hinted strongly at hearing from a direct connection, though.

Oh I love Lowe as a writer, just don't think Stevens is that kind of guy. He may think it, but doubt he'd ever say anything to anyone, except maybe Ainge. But it would be more of something like, "just not sure he'd fit into what we are trying to do."

[truth18]

Maybe I am, haha.

Always knew Brad had good taste in music.

How do you know my taste in music?

Your avy is one of my favorite albums and we've discussed music in the arts thread.

[canman1971]

Always knew Brad had good taste in music.

How do you know my taste in music?

Your avy is one of my favorite albums and we've discussed music in the arts thread.

Haha, I know. I was just trying to act suspicious. Anyway, just saw Gilmour this past year in NYC. What an amazing musician.

[Slartibartfast]

Mejri in Dallas would be an interesting low-cost target. Good shot blocker. Good lob guy on PNR. Cleans the defensive glass. A foul machine and a beanpole, but he'd provide a completely different dimension than any of our other bigs.

[Asian Celtic]

Mejri in Dallas would be an interesting low-cost target. Good shot blocker. Good lob guy on PNR. Cleans the defensive glass. A foul machine and a beanpole, but he'd provide a completely different dimension than any of our other bigs.

is he a poor man's Javale Mcgee?

[Slartibartfast]

Mejri in Dallas would be an interesting low-cost target. Good shot blocker. Good lob guy on PNR. Cleans the defensive glass. A foul machine and a beanpole, but he'd provide a completely different dimension than any of our other bigs.

is he a poor man's Javale Mcgee?

I'd say he's an upgraded version of Stiemsma.

[Andrew McCeltic]

Paraphrased from Lowe Post, on Boogie-to-Boston (NOT a rumor, just speculative talk), around 1:03:00 --

David Thorpe: Do you think Danny Ainge will include an Avery Bradley or Jae Crowder in a trade for DeMarcus Cousins?
Zach Lowe: Everyone knows the Celtics have the goods to make a good offer. That Nets pick might not be the golden ticket that we once thought. But personally, I think they will regress. I think Danny would gamble. I don't think that is the majority view in the organization including the coach. Brad Stevens wouldn't want to touch DMC with a 10-foot pole. That carries a lot of weight there. They also just signed a center in Al Horford. I don't know what that does to Boston's hunger to acquire a superstar big man who's gonna be a locker room question mark and yes, they have Isaiah Thomas. BTW, go read IT's quotes including any Q&A with me about DMC post-Sacramento. It's not like they're best buddies. I would say Ainge is a "maybe" while most of the organization is a "no".
Thorpe: Cousins will be a good fit in a sports town where he's just another dude and there's a history and tradition. Stevens would also be great for him but he might get a heart attack before he's 45 or he'll just age fast. He's a good defender/rebounder. Complete package. He wants to dominate. He's worth the risk.

Just listened to Lowe's podcast-- He strongly hinted that Stevens first hand told him he wants no part of Boogie.

"I think...I don't think...wouldn't want to... I don't know.."

I'm only trading for Cousins if the price is low enough that we can flip him without issue if things go south. He's talented, but he is a legitimate attitude risk, beyond what Webber was like in Golden State and Washington, or young Rasheed Wallace.

Amir, Rozier, Young, 2-3 non-BKN 1sts is probably as high as I'd go.

[ConstableGeneva]

Paraphrased from Lowe Post, on Boogie-to-Boston (NOT a rumor, just speculative talk), around 1:03:00 --

David Thorpe: Do you think Danny Ainge will include an Avery Bradley or Jae Crowder in a trade for DeMarcus Cousins?
Zach Lowe: Everyone knows the Celtics have the goods to make a good offer. That Nets pick might not be the golden ticket that we once thought. But personally, I think they will regress. I think Danny would gamble. I don't think that is the majority view in the organization including the coach. Brad Stevens wouldn't want to touch DMC with a 10-foot pole. That carries a lot of weight there. They also just signed a center in Al Horford. I don't know what that does to Boston's hunger to acquire a superstar big man who's gonna be a locker room question mark and yes, they have Isaiah Thomas. BTW, go read IT's quotes including any Q&A with me about DMC post-Sacramento. It's not like they're best buddies. I would say Ainge is a "maybe" while most of the organization is a "no".
Thorpe: Cousins will be a good fit in a sports town where he's just another dude and there's a history and tradition. Stevens would also be great for him but he might get a heart attack before he's 45 or he'll just age fast. He's a good defender/rebounder. Complete package. He wants to dominate. He's worth the risk.

Just listened to Lowe's podcast-- He strongly hinted that Stevens first hand told him he wants no part of Boogie.

"I think...I don't think...wouldn't want to... I don't know.."

I'm only trading for Cousins if the price is low enough that we can flip him without issue if things go south. He's talented, but he is a legitimate attitude risk, beyond what Webber was like in Golden State and Washington, or young Rasheed Wallace.

Amir, Rozier, Young, 2-3 non-BKN 1sts is probably as high as I'd go.

It's not an exact transcription. Can't quote me on what Lowe said.

[Andrew McCeltic]

Thanks, sorry, missed that detail.

[jrob23]

Paraphrased from Lowe Post, on Boogie-to-Boston (NOT a rumor, just speculative talk), around 1:03:00 --

David Thorpe: Do you think Danny Ainge will include an Avery Bradley or Jae Crowder in a trade for DeMarcus Cousins?
Zach Lowe: Everyone knows the Celtics have the goods to make a good offer. That Nets pick might not be the golden ticket that we once thought. But personally, I think they will regress. I think Danny would gamble. I don't think that is the majority view in the organization including the coach. Brad Stevens wouldn't want to touch DMC with a 10-foot pole. That carries a lot of weight there. They also just signed a center in Al Horford. I don't know what that does to Boston's hunger to acquire a superstar big man who's gonna be a locker room question mark and yes, they have Isaiah Thomas. BTW, go read IT's quotes including any Q&A with me about DMC post-Sacramento. It's not like they're best buddies. I would say Ainge is a "maybe" while most of the organization is a "no".
Thorpe: Cousins will be a good fit in a sports town where he's just another dude and there's a history and tradition. Stevens would also be great for him but he might get a heart attack before he's 45 or he'll just age fast. He's a good defender/rebounder. Complete package. He wants to dominate. He's worth the risk.

Just listened to Lowe's podcast-- He strongly hinted that Stevens first hand told him he wants no part of Boogie.

"I think...I don't think...wouldn't want to... I don't know.."

I'm only trading for Cousins if the price is low enough that we can flip him without issue if things go south. He's talented, but he is a legitimate attitude risk, beyond what Webber was like in Golden State and Washington, or young Rasheed Wallace.

Amir, Rozier, Young, 2-3 non-BKN 1sts is probably as high as I'd go.

that offer is laughable. We're talking about a top 5 Center in the game who is just entering his prime and relatively cheap. SAC would be well within their rights to demand Brown, Rozier and both BK picks.

NOBODY wants Amir, Young and non BK picks. People have got to stop with this line of thinking. Not going to happen.

[Asian Celtic]

Am i the only one who thinks brandon knight would be a good back up pg/sg for the c's? I think one of i.t or ab would be traded before their contract ends . Hopeful they'd be still here though.

[klemen4]

Rosier, Brown, both brooklyn picks may be enough for Cousins.

Probably the breaking point will be Smart instead of Rosier.

[Zaschrona]

Rosier, Brown, both brooklyn picks may be enough for Cousins.

Probably the breaking point will be Smart instead of Rosier.

No thanks, that is too high price. Would much rather wait and draft our future with these Brooklyn picks than trading for a star with a bad personality that does not suit this team at all.

[klemen4]

If we are able to keep 4 starters
It, ab, crowder, horford

And 2 top bench players
Smart and olynyk

...we have to go all in for Cousins, because with the improvements of it, Bradley and Jae..imo this team would be good enough to win it all.

And Sacramento could start fresh with

Rosier
McLemore, Richardson
Brown
.........., Labissiere
WCS, Papagiannis

+ Top 3 sac 2017 pick
+ Top 6 brooklyn 2017 pick
Plus another 2 top 10 picks in 2018.

[CelticsPride18]

If we are able to keep 4 starters
It, ab, crowder, horford

And 2 top bench players
Smart and olynyk

...we have to go all in for Cousins, because with the improvements of it, Bradley and Jae..imo this team would be good enough to win it all.

And Sacramento could start fresh with

Rosier
McLemore
Brown
/
ECS

+ Top 3 sac 2017 pick
+ Top 6 brooklyn 2017 pick
Plus another 2 top 10 picks in 2018.

I agree the Celtics with Cousins would make us legit contenders. Also getting Casspi on the deal would be good too.

[watsonthedragon]

You guys think there's a chance Bogut gets moved? From a thread on r/nba:

With the Maverick stuttering heavily the situation literally cries for a rebuild.

Bogut has already given an hint that he doesnt seem to be interested in returning and his play on the court looks desinterested and unmotivated at times.

'In that regard, Bogut bluntly remarked that the team is somewhat rebuilding, and that it is no secret that there are a lot of guys on the roster who probably aren't going to be there long-term, "including myself." '

If he were, would you guys want him? What would he be worth? Would he be a good fit as a "defensive anchor"?

[GoCeltics123]

You guys think there's a chance Bogut gets moved? From a thread on r/nba:

With the Maverick stuttering heavily the situation literally cries for a rebuild.

Bogut has already given an hint that he doesnt seem to be interested in returning and his play on the court looks desinterested and unmotivated at times.

'In that regard, Bogut bluntly remarked that the team is somewhat rebuilding, and that it is no secret that there are a lot of guys on the roster who probably aren't going to be there long-term, "including myself." '

If he were, would you guys want him? What would he be worth? Would he be a good fit as a "defensive anchor"?

Expiring contract. Great fit IMO if price is cheap

[Green89]

Bogut's missed at least 12-70 games in each of the past 8 seasons, missing a total of 238 games over that span. Very injury prone.

[Asian Celtic]

If we are able to keep 4 starters
It, ab, crowder, horford

And 2 top bench players
Smart and olynyk

...we have to go all in for Cousins, because with the improvements of it, Bradley and Jae..imo this team would be good enough to win it all.

And Sacramento could start fresh with

Rosier
McLemore
Brown
/
ECS

+ Top 3 sac 2017 pick
+ Top 6 brooklyn 2017 pick
Plus another 2 top 10 picks in 2018.

I agree the Celtics with Cousins would make us legit contenders. Also getting Casspi on the deal would be good too.

That top 6 brooklyn 17 isn't as valuable to the kings as we see it to be. it's a swap, if the kings tank, their own pick gets used by BKN, or brooklyn uses their own pick. the swap becomes nearly useless. Correct me if i'm wrong though.

[ConstableGeneva]

If we are able to keep 4 starters
It, ab, crowder, horford

And 2 top bench players
Smart and olynyk

...we have to go all in for Cousins, because with the improvements of it, Bradley and Jae..imo this team would be good enough to win it all.

And Sacramento could start fresh with

Rosier
McLemore
Brown
/
ECS

+ Top 3 sac 2017 pick
+ Top 6 brooklyn 2017 pick
Plus another 2 top 10 picks in 2018.

I agree the Celtics with Cousins would make us legit contenders. Also getting Casspi on the deal would be good too.

That top 6 brooklyn 17 isn't as valuable to the kings as we see it to be. it's a swap, if the kings tank, their own pick gets used by BKN, or brooklyn uses their own pick. the swap becomes nearly useless. Correct me if i'm wrong though.

It doesn't work that way. Kings would get better of BOS/BKN picks. Their own pick, which is going to the Sixers or Bulls depending on where it falls IIRC, has nothing to do with it.