Trade Thread #6: I Wood Walk 500 Myles

[Jammer]

Spoiler:

No we are getting turner back I’m pretty confident

But McDermott's salary is too much when there is a chance to stay under the tax line.

Actually we're good. Turner + McDermott + Ojeleye + Waters:


34.379100 - Walker
23.883928 - Brown
18.000000 - Turner
13.446428 - Smart
9.897120 - Tatum
7.333333 - McDermott
5.000000 - Theis
3.631200 - Langford
3.458400 - Nesmith
2.498760 - G.Williams
2.029920 - R.Williams
2.035800 - Pritchard
1.752950 - Ojeleye
1.517981 - Edwards
1.445697 - Waters

1.039080 - Yabusele
0.092857 - Jackson

131.442554 - Total
-22.302554 - Capspace
1.184446 - Taxspace


No using the MLE obviously, without further moves.

Just realized I forgot that they traded Kanter.
Just checked on Brown's incentives. It's not for All-Star or All-Defensive.

It's 2 Million allocated among:
Any All-NBA Team (could be 3rd Team)
Defensive Player of the Year
MVP

The most likely from a risk point of view is 3rd Team All-NBA, especially if Hayward departs.

He already has incentives that are considered likely, and part of his salary, for playing in 65 games, the team winning 49 games, or making the 2nd round of the playoffs.

So, those incentives are not considered part of his salary now, for cap or trade purposes, but could be at the end of the year if he were to make 3rd Team All NBA. There is a risk if he has a breakout year if they are against the tax line.

[yeleven11]

Does anybody know what time Ojeleye's deal gets guaranteed tomorrow? I wonder if that's a factor at all.

[jumblin]

OK. So you think Tatum hogs the ball, at the end of games?
Tatum always struck me as someone who willing passes for the better shot.

Thing is, he makes good clutch shots. Tatum is our best player.
He's not that much of a PG, but he plays well.

What would you expect him to be, and do?
And remember, there is no perfect player. I believe that Michael Jordan said that.

I compared Tatum to Harden. Thats not really an insult. I said he has superb talent. I think he lacks the competitiveness to be the centerpiece of a *championship* team. If the goal is to be a good playoff team every year, than Tatum is your man. Just like Harden and Westbrook.

Hmmm.
You know that Tatum is only 22. These guys are in the 30's.
To me, I can't see how you predict what a 22 year old, is gonna do, or gonna be.

In comparison. No of these guys won a Championship at age 22.:
MJ, Kobe, Lebron. Neither did Harden or Westbrook.

BUT, all of them that did win it = didn't do it by themselves.
It's a Team sport.

MJ, Kobe, Lebron, all took over. But, they all had high quality players right next to them.
Agreed?

I realize in this day and age everyone has to quantify everything with hard evidence, but im still an old primal neanderthal over here using these crusty old human instincts of mine. I look at things like body language, facial expressions, tone, etc...and I form opinions. Those instincts tell me that a guy like Smart is a phenomenal competitor. Same with Kobe, LeBron and Luka. I throw Luka in there to say that you can see a guys competitiveness at any age, regardless if he's won a championship or not.

Tatum is not even in the same stratosphere of competitiveness as those guys. Again...really good player like a lot of really good players in the league.

Simple question, would trade Tatum for Luka straight up? Why?

[ConstableGeneva]

Hmm, if the Pacers are offering $25 mil for 4 years I think that is max value for Hayward.

I wouldn't want to pay him more than $20 a year max and that's if I liked him, which as an asset I don't. I have zero faith in his health year to year.

Not sure Stein's source is right here about the proposed offer, but I can see why Hayward would opt out if he's going to be massively overpaid again.

I don't think it's coincidence that we've cleared almost exactly $25 mil in tax space.

Scoonie had our offer at 4/100 days ago.

Now Stein's saying the same thing.

I have Gordon's starting salary at $24,553,571 and Cs just under the tax (no Semi, two UDFAs, no MLE).

[DoubleHappiness]

Robyn doesn't want GH to live in Westchester. Not concerned about the Knicks imo. But depends on who you think is pulling the strings. And a mom of 4 is probably in charge here.

[yeleven11]

Hmm, if the Pacers are offering $25 mil for 4 years I think that is max value for Hayward.

I wouldn't want to pay him more than $20 a year max and that's if I liked him, which as an asset I don't. I have zero faith in his health year to year.

Not sure Stein's source is right here about the proposed offer, but I can see why Hayward would opt out if he's going to be massively overpaid again.

I don't think it's coincidence that we've cleared almost exactly $25 mil in tax space.

Scoonie had our offer at 4/100 days ago.

Now Stein's saying the same thing.

I have Gordon's starting salary at $24,553,571 and Cs just under the tax (no Semi, two UDFAs, no MLE).

Should be starting at 22.5ish based on my math if it's 4/100m

[DoubleHappiness]

Robyn doesn't want GH to live in Westchester. Not concerned about the Knicks imo. But depends on who you think is pulling the strings. And a mom of 4 is probably in charge here.

[Darth Celtic]

i honestly agree with him. i don’t like tatums makeup.it was frustrating watching him try to do too much island ball every game. that and all of smarts chucking irritated the heck out of me. i wonder if all of smarts chucking though was due to watching tatum do it so much he said screw it, i will too l. either way both of those things drove me crazy, but at least smart is a world class competitor. brown to me is the clear #1 on the team, and the team should be building more around him.

At least it sounds reasoned when you say it. I don't agree at all but I feel I can have an adult conversation with you.

90% of the replies I get are one line 8th grade insults. Whos the kid in the room?

This is a trade thread. Shut the **** up. Tatum is signing a max extension and can't be traded. Shut the **** up about Tatum. Go make another Tatum bashing thread and get the **** out.... Or. Talk about actual be legal trade ideas here

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[SMTBSI]

Hmm, if the Pacers are offering $25 mil for 4 years I think that is max value for Hayward.

I wouldn't want to pay him more than $20 a year max and that's if I liked him, which as an asset I don't. I have zero faith in his health year to year.

Not sure Stein's source is right here about the proposed offer, but I can see why Hayward would opt out if he's going to be massively overpaid again.

I don't think it's coincidence that we've cleared almost exactly $25 mil in tax space.

Scoonie had our offer at 4/100 days ago.

Now Stein's saying the same thing.

I have Gordon's starting salary at $24,553,571 and Cs just under the tax (no Semi, two UDFAs, no MLE).

Not that they would ever take it down to the dollar (for many reasons, like Brown's incentives as Jammer has above), but:

34.379100 - Walker
25.072082 - Hayward
23.883928 - Brown
13.446428 - Smart
9.897120 - Tatum
5.000000 - Theis
3.631200 - Langford
3.458400 - Nesmith
2.498760 - G.Williams
2.029920 - R.Williams
2.035800 - Pritchard
1.752950 - Ojeleye
1.517981 - Edwards
1.445697 - Waters
1.445697 - Fall

1.039080 - Yabusele
0.092857 - Jackson

132.627000 - Total
0.000000 - Taxspace


No reason to actually do that - just giving a sense of the margin.

[FeedReed]

Hard to tell if you are making fun of him or firing him up.

i honestly agree with him. i don’t like tatums makeup.it was frustrating watching him try to do too much island ball every game. that and all of smarts chucking irritated the heck out of me. i wonder if all of smarts chucking though was due to watching tatum do it so much he said screw it, i will too l. either way both of those things drove me crazy, but at least smart is a world class competitor. brown to me is the clear #1 on the team, and the team should be building more around him.

At least it sounds reasoned when you say it. I don't agree at all but I feel I can have an adult conversation with you.

i just like to watch talented players that make me believe they’re giving 100% every time they’re out there, and will do whatever it takes to help the team win. that’s what kg had, and that’s the last time the c’s won the championship(no doubt in my mind they win in 09 too if not for his injury). brown may have a different personality than kg, but he has that same fire, and is on verge of superstardom. i feel like hayward is a better compliment to brown than tatum is. hayward game is more polished, makes everyone around him better, and is more willing to take a backseat while brown leads. i still don’t think the c’s can win with a center like theis, but if you trade tatum to improve there, and everywhere else, c’s are winning 18.

[jumblin]

90% of the replies I get are one line 8th grade insults. Whos the kid in the room?

Well. You have to explain yourself a little more, than you have been doing.
I mean, you can't just come on the Celtics Forum, and say that their best player is essentially not "the guy".

...especially when even non-Celtic-friendly people in the media can't stop saying how good Tatum is.

Since you love to pick on me ill spell it out for you: Tatum is a great player. Like Harden. And like Harden, he's not a great winner. The media loves Harden too.

[ajones9219]

Read on Twitter

Are you serious???

We don't want him to re-sign. Not with the Celtics.
Sign & Trade is the only option now.

Danny needs to work out a S&T with the Pacers.
Send Hayward home.

Disagree I hope he stays

[ConstableGeneva]

I don't think it's coincidence that we've cleared almost exactly $25 mil in tax space.

Scoonie had our offer at 4/100 days ago.

Now Stein's saying the same thing.

I have Gordon's starting salary at $24,553,571 and Cs just under the tax (no Semi, two UDFAs, no MLE).

Should be starting at 22.5ish based on my math if it's 4/100m

Mine's at $110M/4 yrs I'd have to re-check. Scoonie said a little over $100M.

In any case, I think we can avoid the tax. Just no MLE. Enough room to bring Semi back and maybe a more experienced vet for the minimum.

[jumblin]

At least it sounds reasoned when you say it. I don't agree at all but I feel I can have an adult conversation with you.

90% of the replies I get are one line 8th grade insults. Whos the kid in the room?

This is a trade thread. Shut the **** up. Tatum is signing a max extension and can't be traded. Shut the **** up about Tatum. Go make another Tatum bashing thread and get the **** out.... Or. Talk about actual be legal trade ideas here

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Go blow your steam off elsewhere. Must have struck a nerve.

[DoubleHappiness]

Tatum is 22 and one of the most 5 untradeable players in the league right now. Young Pierce had rumblings about if he REALLY wanted to win too. This is my only Tatum post of the night but what a crazy thread.

[jeremym480]

Surely, Pritchard can't flip Turner to New Orleans, then trade McDemott and Lamb with picks to team(s) with cap space, and sign Hayward outright, right?

That guy has snaked us once before and I don't trust him.

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[LewisnotMiller]

Speaking of humblebum war stories, In odd news I have achilles tendonitis. I think if I tried to play ball it would probably pop. Getting old is hilarious

I used to be able to get pretty high above the rim.

I'm 35 now and my achilles is sore today from going up and down the ladder for the last two days while putting up Christmas lights - then playing a lazy ass round of disc golf. Getting old is indeed lots of fun.

Give it another ten years, and 6 months off due to covid...

Pretty damn sure my first game back is gonna HURT.

[fallguy]

F****** u Hayward .. ruined my day

It's not Hayward holding things up.

All the leaks are making it clear that Ainge is operating like he has the Pacers over a barrel. If Hayward joins the Knicks it might teach Ainge a lesson that you don't need to rob the other team blind every time you make a damn trade.

Don't think Hayward is motivated to 'teach Ainge a lesson' for dragging things out for *checks notes* six hours after free agency kicks off.

[Romeiro Celtic]

Night night guys, hope to hear good news tomorrow.

[ConstableGeneva]

I don't think it's coincidence that we've cleared almost exactly $25 mil in tax space.

Scoonie had our offer at 4/100 days ago.

Now Stein's saying the same thing.

I have Gordon's starting salary at $24,553,571 and Cs just under the tax (no Semi, two UDFAs, no MLE).

Not that they would ever take it down to the dollar (for many reasons, like Brown's incentives as Jammer has above), but:

34.379100 - Walker
25.072082 - Hayward
23.883928 - Brown
13.446428 - Smart
9.897120 - Tatum
5.000000 - Theis
3.631200 - Langford
3.458400 - Nesmith
2.498760 - G.Williams
2.029920 - R.Williams
2.035800 - Pritchard
1.752950 - Ojeleye
1.517981 - Edwards
1.445697 - Waters
1.445697 - Fall

1.039080 - Yabusele
0.092857 - Jackson

132.627000 - Total
0.000000 - Taxspace


No reason to actually do that - just giving a sense of the margin.

Looks good. I had the old rookie scale numbers lol, which came in higher I think. Didn't need to cut Semi after all.