Hard to Believe Ainge will Make any Move Soon Trade Thread

[fallguy]

I am actually betting we will see an in-season trade for bench depth and then a serious reshuffling of the roster around JB and jT in the offseason. The time is right goddamn now to take a swing at it.

[Fencer reregistered]

Bjelicka is evidently being shopped.

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/261290/Kings-Looking-To-Build-Around-DeAaron-Fox-Likely-To-Explore-Nemanja-Bjelica-Trades
https://www.sacbee.com/sports/article248652885.html

[Celtics1918]

Only if you talk about Fultz at the same time.

How does this make any since ? Kyrie Irving is headed to the Celtics for Isaiah Thomas, Jae Crowder, Ante Zizic and Brooklyn's 2018 first-round pick. Where is Fultz name in this trade and when did we draft Fultz.

If you're going to talk about the misses, you can't forget about the hits.

We can do this all day trading up to draft Kelly Olynyk and leaving Giannis Antetokounmpo on the board, but I don't blame Danny for this neither do I think drafting Jayson Tatum makes up for this. Boston you can't have misses like Collin Sexton or other picks because if you do your going to have no bench or assets to trade for a super star because there not coming here as free agents.

[Fencer reregistered]

How does this make any since ? Kyrie Irving is headed to the Celtics for Isaiah Thomas, Jae Crowder, Ante Zizic and Brooklyn's 2018 first-round pick. Where is Fultz name in this trade and when did we draft Fultz.

If you're going to talk about the misses, you can't forget about the hits.

We can do this all day trading up to draft Kelly Olynyk and leaving Giannis Antetokounmpo on the board, but I don't blame Danny for this neither do I think drafting Jayson Tatum makes up for this. Boston you can't have misses like Collin Sexton or other picks because if you do your going to have no bench or assets to trade for a super star because there not coming here as free agents.

There's no point in trading for a superstar who wouldn't willingly come here as a FA.

If they don't want to stay, then the price will surely be too high for the rental.

And by the way, Boston has in recent seasons gotten several all-stars in FA.

[klemen4]

Bjelica being expiring contract is not worth more than TPE and one 2nd rounder.

Sacramento may got two 2nd rounders or low first if they are willing to take back longer salary imo.

[Celtics1918]

If you're going to talk about the misses, you can't forget about the hits.

We can do this all day trading up to draft Kelly Olynyk and leaving Giannis Antetokounmpo on the board, but I don't blame Danny for this neither do I think drafting Jayson Tatum makes up for this. Boston you can't have misses like Collin Sexton or other picks because if you do your going to have no bench or assets to trade for a super star because there not coming here as free agents.

There's no point in trading for a superstar who wouldn't willingly come here as a FA.

If they don't want to stay, then the price will surely be too high for the rental.

And by the way, Boston has in recent seasons gotten several all-stars in FA.

Yes all-stars maybe we can do a sign and trade for Blake Griffin with tpe before it expires former all star free agent next year but not supers stars like Kevin Durant or Anthony Davis we need to trade for them.

[SmartWentCrazy]

I am actually betting we will see an in-season trade for bench depth and then a serious reshuffling of the roster around JB and jT in the offseason. The time is right goddamn now to take a swing at it.

Agreed; we have two wings playing at an all-NBA level and both keep improving. Take the swing.

[jmr07019]

People are way too concerned about the back end of the roster and not concerned enough with the top. The goal should be getting another all-star to pair with Tatum and Brown and maximizing the team 3-5 years from now.

I go back and forth on whether we should try and upgrade the bench using rookie contract players and picks as trade bait or whether we should do as you say. The prudent play is probably to play the long game. It's an important distinction because if the start of your title window isn't for another 3 years then even a 28 year is old too old to target. He'd be 31 at the start of your window.

We need to play some more games and see how the team looks with the top of the rotation all playing together. If Tatum is a top 10ish guy, Brown top 20 and Kemba top 25 we'll have a puncher's chance with a strong bench. Also gotta see if Brooklyn becomes a powerhouse or "merely" a great offense with average or worse defense. Luckily the trade deadline is a bit aways.

I can't see us trading Kemba in an attempt to improve the team 3 years from now. I'm guessing that would be a non starter with ownership. Mayyyyybe at the draft if there is a specific guy you love but not for a pick(s) at the trade deadline.

[jmr07019]

What about John Collins? He turned down a 90 million dollar extension in the offseason.

On the Hoop Collective Podcast (h/t Reddit.com), ESPN's Brian Windhorst said the Hawks offered Collins "in excess of $90 million" on an extension that was turned down because he "was seeking something at or near the max and he stuck to his guns."

Collins has been consistent in his stance that he wants a max deal. The fourth-year power forward told this to Chris Kirschner of The Athletic in March:

"I definitely feel like I am in max contract contention. If I finish this season averaging 20 and 10, the other guys who are averaging 20 and 10 are max-caliber guys. I'm in that conversation and feel like I am worthy of being extended as such. That's for the Hawks to decide and figure it out. If you want to look at numbers and flat-out play, I definitely feel like I've earned it. But the team situation, future cap and all that, now you have a contract negotiation."

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2924174-hawks-rumors-john-collins-turned-down-90m-contract-extension-seeking-max-deal

It's probably wishful thinking to trade for him but the Hawks weren't sold on him as a max guy a few months ago. In the last year they have invested heavily in the 4/5 spots by trading for Capela, drafting Okongwu and signing Gallinari to 3/61. I think they'd be highly interested in putting a defender like Smart between Young and Bogdanovic. Smart, one of Langford / Nesmith, Rob Will and a pick is a quite the haul.

Collins would be a huge upgrade for us both now and in the future. He makes a Celtics PnR immensely more difficult to guard. Enough size to bang with Bam or Davis. Enough quickness to play our switching scheme. He may not be an elite big man but he's good enough to be our 3rd star and complements Brown and Tatum nicely. Collins (23) Tatum (22) Brown (24) will be good enough to be top 3 on a title in but we'd have to be patient and wait it out. Pritchard (22) fits in nicely next to those 3 and could either be a 30 mpg starter a 6th man type. Sucks to lose Smart but it'd be worth it to get Collins.

Edit: We'd be sending Atlanta a good amount of salary in Smart, Nesmith, Rob and only taking back Collins at 4 million we'd need to balance salaries. Only makes sense to send Teague back to Atlanta and Rondo back to Boston. Nice little bonus.

[Shak_Celts]

How does this make any since ? Kyrie Irving is headed to the Celtics for Isaiah Thomas, Jae Crowder, Ante Zizic and Brooklyn's 2018 first-round pick. Where is Fultz name in this trade and when did we draft Fultz.

If you're going to talk about the misses, you can't forget about the hits.

We can do this all day trading up to draft Kelly Olynyk and leaving Giannis Antetokounmpo on the board, but I don't blame Danny for this neither do I think drafting Jayson Tatum makes up for this. Boston you can't have misses like Collin Sexton or other picks because if you do your going to have no bench or assets to trade for a super star because there not coming here as free agents.

We didn't miss on Sexton, we chose Kyrie. Who knows who we would have picked when it was time to use that pick. We would have still had IT4 and who knows what we would have had to pay him.

Actually, Rozier may be who we missed out on because of the trade. He was perfect starting alongside the Jays, he defended, scored some and had it in him to take and make big shots (despite what people say about that game 7). His energy is also top notch. He shouldn't be the man, like he was his first Charlotte season but he has talent to be top 5 on the Cs. It only fell apart with Rozier because he knew he had more to give and Kyrie and Hayward hindered that. Without Kyrie and with IT4 out injured, maybe he could have been who he is now. He didn't have problems sharing, he just thought we were favoring (GH mainly) when he felt he deserved his shot too, especially after being thrust into a huge role shortly before the playoffs and playing his butt off for who he was at the time.

[MagicBagley18]

Let kemba rebuild value if he can and take the swing in the off season imo. If we can send off carsen, semi, grant, even nesmith or theis and get proven help back in season? Sure. Or a small small portion of the tpe? I’m in.

I’m not down with sending out real draft compensation for a team that’s just not ready yet. I know I scream for help and people are right when we do so but I think there’s real potential for a big move in the summer and it’s not worth not being able to get into the game then to maybe make the finals now and get clobbered by the lakers in 6 and that’s with depth

[SMTBSI]

Actually, Rozier may be who we missed out on because of the trade. He was perfect starting alongside the Jays, he defended, scored some and had it in him to take and make big shots (despite what people say about that game 7). His energy is also top notch. He shouldn't be the man, like he was his first Charlotte season but he has talent to be top 5 on the Cs. It only fell apart with Rozier because he knew he had more to give and Kyrie and Hayward hindered that. Without Kyrie and with IT4 out injured, maybe he could have been who he is now. He didn't have problems sharing, he just thought we were favoring (GH mainly) when he felt he deserved his shot too, especially after being thrust into a huge role shortly before the playoffs and playing his butt off for who he was at the time.

We literally need to just swallow our pride and trade for Rozier into our TPE. For anyone who hasn't been keeping tabs on him: he's lights-out from three, on high volume. 41.1% over his last 535 attempts, 6.9 takes per game.

So are Brown and Tatum. Yes, I want three dead-eye shooters, who are all dynamic athletes, plus defenders, and on the same timeline.

[CelticsPride18]

Let kemba rebuild value if he can and take the swing in the off season imo. If we can send off carsen, semi, grant, even nesmith or theis and get proven help back in season? Sure. Or a small small portion of the tpe? I’m in.

I’m not down with sending out real draft compensation for a team that’s just not ready yet. I know I scream for help and people are right when we do so but I think there’s real potential for a big move in the summer and it’s not worth not being able to get into the game then to maybe make the finals now and get clobbered by the lakers in 6 and that’s with depth

Our draft compensation isn’t worth much anyway. Might as well make some trades for a better supporting cast around the Jays. We have 2 wings on the verge of being on the all nba teams and Kemba looks to have regain his burst. We have to give them a shot. If we keep punting on seasons we might lose the Jays in the future.

[MagicBagley18]

Let kemba rebuild value if he can and take the swing in the off season imo. If we can send off carsen, semi, grant, even nesmith or theis and get proven help back in season? Sure. Or a small small portion of the tpe? I’m in.

I’m not down with sending out real draft compensation for a team that’s just not ready yet. I know I scream for help and people are right when we do so but I think there’s real potential for a big move in the summer and it’s not worth not being able to get into the game then to maybe make the finals now and get clobbered by the lakers in 6 and that’s with depth

Our draft compensation isn’t worth much anyway. Might as well make some trades for a better supporting cast around the Jays. We have 2 wings on the verge of being on the all nba teams and Kemba looks to have regain his burst. We have to give them a shot. If we keep punting on seasons we might lose the Jays in the future.

Trust me your preaching to the choir about punting seasons but waiting 4 months until the offseason isn’t going to make jb and jt flight risks. This team can’t win a ring this year even with depth- that’s not a knock on them but when’s the last time a 22 & 24 led a team to a ring? This is the lakers year.

If there is even a 3% chance that beal would force his way here in the offseason then the only way it happens is by giving up multiple 1sts kemba+ smart etc in a multi team deal. While our picks aren’t great we are able to offer more then Miami can and Philly can Because we own all of our picks which puts us in a good position for any deal - not just beal.

Getting Beal (without brown) requires incredible luck and it’s admittedly pretty unrealistic but the lakers getting AD required luck, the nets with at best the 4th best trade package required luck. What if beal truly wants to team up with his other St. Louis boy- play together and do it for their city? And he’s willing to extend?

I understand it requires finesse, luck, kemba playing at all star levels and staying healthy, beal forcing his way here & the wiz not trading him in season as well as him killing deals to places like Miami & Philly. So yes it’s really a hard sell for even me to believe & I know sounds nuts but like I said even at a 3-5% clip if I have a shot at pairing jb jt & beal 3 guys that are low maintenance & high character, 2 of which are like family I’m saving my clip for that shot. Even at 3%.

That’s the super team, that’s the 5 year window, that’s a 22,24,27 year old multiple year contending for banners path even if beal does have warts to his game. Very very unrealistic, probably a pipe dream but I’m not taking myself out of it so I can maybe lose to the lakers in 6 games.

[Tomjas]

Sixers fan here but have a soft spot for Celtics as they have been a high profile team here in Australia for decades

IMO, Boston lost something when they didn’t replace Al and Aaron

The Js are quality obviously but I don’t see who is going to stop Giannis, Embiid, AD etc so your guys are going to have to shoot lights out to stay with them

Al is expensive and Aaron seems to be on downhill slide

Anyone else?

[cl2117]

Sixers fan here but have a soft spot for Celtics as they have been a high profile team here in Australia for decades

IMO, Boston lost something when they didn’t replace Al and Aaron

The Js are quality obviously but I don’t see who is going to stop Giannis, Embiid, AD etc so your guys are going to have to shoot lights out to stay with them

Al is expensive and Aaron seems to be on downhill slide

Anyone else?

I think the hope was that Robert Williams was going to be ready to be a defensive stopper and then TT to be more effective than he has been. Still have hope for both, but neither will be the answer.

I like Whiteside or Javale McGee as cheap options for legit 7 footers to give a bit more rim protection. They'd give them a 4 man rotation that you could in theory use the "moneyball" approach on and just have a ton of different looks. Theis is jack of all trades master of none, TT is rebounding specialist, Timelord is the lob catcher/rim protector and then one of Whiteside/McGee as more of a banger.

Being able to show a lot of looks and switch up based on matchups might be enough to fill that hole and let the talent on the wings take games over.

[BillessuR6]

Shouldn`t we be more patient with our young players?

There is a lot of talk on this board about going after PJ Tucker. Would he help, sure. But does it make sense to acquire him without any big moves? Its not like he would move the needle much...

I always though about Grant being a Tucker kind of player down the line...a lot of posters are freaking out about Grant, how bad he has played and what a bad pick he was...

But PJ Tucker was out of the league at 22! He was back in the NBA at 27 and finally started to carve out a role for himself. So, shouldn`t we be a little more patient with Grant Williams etc.? It is not like we are a serious contender without making another big move...

I certainly see Grant having a PJ like career down the line...don`t just write him off at 22.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/t/tuckepj01.html

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/w/willigr01.html

[Roddy]

[Triple7]

Sixers fan here but have a soft spot for Celtics as they have been a high profile team here in Australia for decades

IMO, Boston lost something when they didn’t replace Al and Aaron

The Js are quality obviously but I don’t see who is going to stop Giannis, Embiid, AD etc so your guys are going to have to shoot lights out to stay with them

Al is expensive and Aaron seems to be on downhill slide

Anyone else?

I think the hope was that Robert Williams was going to be ready to be a defensive stopper and then TT to be more effective than he has been. Still have hope for both, but neither will be the answer.

I like Whiteside or Javale McGee as cheap options for legit 7 footers to give a bit more rim protection. They'd give them a 4 man rotation that you could in theory use the "moneyball" approach on and just have a ton of different looks. Theis is jack of all trades master of none, TT is rebounding specialist, Timelord is the lob catcher/rim protector and then one of Whiteside/McGee as more of a banger.

Being able to show a lot of looks and switch up based on matchups might be enough to fill that hole and let the talent on the wings take games over.

I agree with this. We needed a rim protector desperately, and those guys whiteside, Mcgee, or even Dwight before the Lakers got him, were cheap options. Still a lot better than having no rim protection at all. Embiid didn’t even worked a sweat defending Theis and TT.

[Tomjas]

Sixers fan here but have a soft spot for Celtics as they have been a high profile team here in Australia for decades

IMO, Boston lost something when they didn’t replace Al and Aaron

The Js are quality obviously but I don’t see who is going to stop Giannis, Embiid, AD etc so your guys are going to have to shoot lights out to stay with them

Al is expensive and Aaron seems to be on downhill slide

Anyone else?

I think the hope was that Robert Williams was going to be ready to be a defensive stopper and then TT to be more effective than he has been. Still have hope for both, but neither will be the answer.

I like Whiteside or Javale McGee as cheap options for legit 7 footers to give a bit more rim protection. They'd give them a 4 man rotation that you could in theory use the "moneyball" approach on and just have a ton of different looks. Theis is jack of all trades master of none, TT is rebounding specialist, Timelord is the lob catcher/rim protector and then one of Whiteside/McGee as more of a banger.

Being able to show a lot of looks and switch up based on matchups might be enough to fill that hole and let the talent on the wings take games over.

I agree with this. We needed a rim protector desperately, and those guys whiteside, Mcgee, or even Dwight before the Lakers got him, were cheap options. Still a lot better than having no rim protection at all. Embiid didn’t even worked a sweat defending Theis and TT.

Times are a changing

Couldn’t give bigs away last year and now they’re in short commodity

Nets giving away Allen for basically nothing was stupid