The (Where Ainges Fear to) Trade Thread, 2016-17 (1.0)

[Asian Celtic]

I agree the Celtics with Cousins would make us legit contenders. Also getting Casspi on the deal would be good too.

That top 6 brooklyn 17 isn't as valuable to the kings as we see it to be. it's a swap, if the kings tank, their own pick gets used by BKN, or brooklyn uses their own pick. the swap becomes nearly useless. Correct me if i'm wrong though.

It doesn't work that way. Kings would get better of BOS/BKN picks. Their own pick, which is going to the Sixers or Bulls depending on where it falls IIRC, has nothing to do with it.

Got it. Thanks for clarifying.

[Andrew McCeltic]

Just listened to Lowe's podcast-- He strongly hinted that Stevens first hand told him he wants no part of Boogie.

"I think...I don't think...wouldn't want to... I don't know.."

I'm only trading for Cousins if the price is low enough that we can flip him without issue if things go south. He's talented, but he is a legitimate attitude risk, beyond what Webber was like in Golden State and Washington, or young Rasheed Wallace.

Amir, Rozier, Young, 2-3 non-BKN 1sts is probably as high as I'd go.

that offer is laughable. We're talking about a top 5 Center in the game who is just entering his prime and relatively cheap. SAC would be well within their rights to demand Brown, Rozier and both BK picks.

NOBODY wants Amir, Young and non BK picks. People have got to stop with this line of thinking. Not going to happen.

Top 5 center, but his personality issues are a major reliability issue, just like a physical injury. They lower his value.

[Andrew McCeltic]

He's not at the level of Anthony Davis, Tim Duncan, Kevin Garnett.. More like Webber when he was traded to Sacramento, or Rasheed when he was traded to Portland.

[Ed Pinkney]

Board favourite Jahlil Okafor is having an odd start to the season. Playing under 20 minutes a game, mainly off the bench, down in pretty much every stat by the look of it. He can't be happy.

Obviously he has been discussed a lot on this board but I think he could still be a pretty solid player in the right situation, and perhaps it is good that he is not enhancing his trade value. Put him in a positive situation next to a front court player who can shoot such as Horford and I think he could do good things. He can't be any worse than Jerebko and Zeller.

[cellar-door]

Board favourite Jahlil Okafor is having an odd start to the season. Playing under 20 minutes a game, mainly off the bench, down in pretty much every stat by the look of it. He can't be happy.

Obviously he has been discussed a lot on this board but I think he could still be a pretty solid player in the right situation, and perhaps it is good that he is not enhancing his trade value. Put him in a positive situation next to a front court player who can shoot such as Horford and I think he could do good things. He can't be any worse than Jerebko and Zeller.

I can't imagine any reason to trade assets for a big who is a terrible rebounder and bad defender given our roster. Before Horford maybe it made sense if we were desperate for scoring, but our offense is playing very well and our rebounding and D are issues.

[Parliament10]

Board favourite Jahlil Okafor is having an odd start to the season. Playing under 20 minutes a game, mainly off the bench, down in pretty much every stat by the look of it. He can't be happy.

Obviously he has been discussed a lot on this board but I think he could still be a pretty solid player in the right situation, and perhaps it is good that he is not enhancing his trade value. Put him in a positive situation next to a front court player who can shoot such as Horford and I think he could do good things. He can't be any worse than Jerebko and Zeller.

I can't imagine any reason to trade assets for a big who is a terrible rebounder and bad defender given our roster. Before Horford maybe it made sense if we were desperate for scoring, but our offense is playing very well and our rebounding and D are issues.

He's young and on the cheap though.
His rebounding is down. But, on our team, I think it could go up significantly.

[cellar-door]

Board favourite Jahlil Okafor is having an odd start to the season. Playing under 20 minutes a game, mainly off the bench, down in pretty much every stat by the look of it. He can't be happy.

Obviously he has been discussed a lot on this board but I think he could still be a pretty solid player in the right situation, and perhaps it is good that he is not enhancing his trade value. Put him in a positive situation next to a front court player who can shoot such as Horford and I think he could do good things. He can't be any worse than Jerebko and Zeller.

I can't imagine any reason to trade assets for a big who is a terrible rebounder and bad defender given our roster. Before Horford maybe it made sense if we were desperate for scoring, but our offense is playing very well and our rebounding and D are issues.

He's young and on the cheap though.
His rebounding is down. But, on our team, I think it could go up significantly.

I mean sure if he was cheap in terms of acquisition sure worth a roll of the dice, but Colangelo has made it clear he'd rather let his bigs rot (Noel) than trade them for less than a stellar return.

I also see no reason to think his rebounding improves for us, he didn't rebound very well last year, and he wasn't a particularly good defensive rebounder in his 1 college year.

[Parliament10]

I can't imagine any reason to trade assets for a big who is a terrible rebounder and bad defender given our roster. Before Horford maybe it made sense if we were desperate for scoring, but our offense is playing very well and our rebounding and D are issues.

He's young and on the cheap though.
His rebounding is down. But, on our team, I think it could go up significantly.

I mean sure if he was cheap in terms of acquisition sure worth a roll of the dice, but Colangelo has made it clear he'd rather let his bigs rot (Noel) than trade them for less than a stellar return.

I also see no reason to think his rebounding improves for us, he didn't rebound very well last year, and he wasn't a particularly good defensive rebounder in his 1 college year.

Rebounding is a Skill. He can be taught that.
Also, his youth would tend to leave him open to improvement.
And, of course, he'll learn better Defense on the Celtics.

Not saying that he can do it all. But, he definitely has Upside. We can see what that is.

[reload141]

We made Turner into a defender.

Let me repeat that, we made Evan Turner into a defender.

Get Okafor if he's available

[Homerclease]

What are people's thoughts on Derrick Favors? Per wiretap the jazz are prioritizing Hill over him. They have Lyles and Gobert already and still need to try to resign Hayward. Favors checks a lot of boxes here in terms of low post defense and rebounding along with being a capable scorer

[Dogen]

What are people's thoughts on Derrick Favors? Per wiretap the jazz are prioritizing Hill over him. They have Lyles and Gobert already and still need to try to resign Hayward. Favors checks a lot of boxes here in terms of low post defense and rebounding along with being a capable scorer

Just came to this thread to see if anyone had posted about this. Favors has some knee problems now, but normally would be the kind of 'box checker' that could help this team.

Amir + picks for Favors? What would it take?

[OFWGKTA]

What are people's thoughts on Derrick Favors? Per wiretap the jazz are prioritizing Hill over him. They have Lyles and Gobert already and still need to try to resign Hayward. Favors checks a lot of boxes here in terms of low post defense and rebounding along with being a capable scorer

Big fan of Favors, not sure what the Jazz would want for him though.

[cellar-door]

We made Turner into a defender.

Let me repeat that, we made Evan Turner into a defender.

Get Okafor if he's available

Evan Turner was a pretty good defender at points in his Philly run and was considered a very good to excellent defender in college.

I'm fine on Okafor if he's cheap, but it isn't magic, maybe we can hide his flaws in system (tough since we already have to hide IT) but he's incredibly unlikely to actually become a good defender.
This is a good source for past poor defending big men, and how there is usually a cap on improvement:
http://nyloncalculus.com/2016/03/02/jahlil-okafor-and-defensive-improvement/

If Okafor were a terrific athlete I'd be more willing to buy that his defense or rebounding could improve, but he isn't. He's not very athletic, and that means he's likely got little potential for significant improvement in those two areas.

[Disinformation]

If you guys are looking for a good laugh, check out this mega-trade some hack at SI proposed. I didn't even read the rest of it after seeing the Celtics part of it:

http://www.si.com/nba/2016/11/18/nba-trades-demarcus-cousins-anthony-davis-carmelo-anthony

Receiving: Carmelo Anthony (Knicks, $24.55M), Lance Thomas (Knicks, $6.19M), Cody Zeller (Hornets, $5.31M)

Trading away: Amir Johnson (Knicks, $12M), Avery Bradley (Kings, $8.2M), Tyler Zeller (Hornets, $8M), Jonas Jerebko (Pelicans, $5M) Marcus Smart (Kings, $3.57M), the rights to Ante Zizic (Kings), Brooklyn’s 2017 first-rounder (to Pelicans, Boston has swap rights)

[Dogen]

If you guys are looking for a good laugh, check out this mega-trade some hack at SI proposed. I didn't even read the rest of it after seeing the Celtics part of it:

http://www.si.com/nba/2016/11/18/nba-trades-demarcus-cousins-anthony-davis-carmelo-anthony

Receiving: Carmelo Anthony (Knicks, $24.55M), Lance Thomas (Knicks, $6.19M), Cody Zeller (Hornets, $5.31M)

Trading away: Amir Johnson (Knicks, $12M), Avery Bradley (Kings, $8.2M), Tyler Zeller (Hornets, $8M), Jonas Jerebko (Pelicans, $5M) Marcus Smart (Kings, $3.57M), the rights to Ante Zizic (Kings), Brooklyn’s 2017 first-rounder (to Pelicans, Boston has swap rights)

Slight adjustment: Knicks keep Thomas and Zeller, Boston keeps Bradley, Smart, rights to Zizic and Brooklyn's 2017, substituting 2019 Memphis. It's a deal!

[OFWGKTA]

If you guys are looking for a good laugh, check out this mega-trade some hack at SI proposed. I didn't even read the rest of it after seeing the Celtics part of it:

http://www.si.com/nba/2016/11/18/nba-trades-demarcus-cousins-anthony-davis-carmelo-anthony

Receiving: Carmelo Anthony (Knicks, $24.55M), Lance Thomas (Knicks, $6.19M), Cody Zeller (Hornets, $5.31M)

Trading away: Amir Johnson (Knicks, $12M), Avery Bradley (Kings, $8.2M), Tyler Zeller (Hornets, $8M), Jonas Jerebko (Pelicans, $5M) Marcus Smart (Kings, $3.57M), the rights to Ante Zizic (Kings), Brooklyn’s 2017 first-rounder (to Pelicans, Boston has swap rights)

Just read that article...lmao there's so much wrong with it from many perspectives, not just the Celtics. His logic for the Hornets trading away AD is his injury history, yet they're getting back Bradley **** Beal. This is what they're supposed to be getting in this scenario for AD:

"Bradley Beal (Wizards, $22.1M), Jonas Jerebko (Celtics, $5M), Brooklyn’s 2017 first-round pick first (after Boston inevitably swaps), Washington’s top-10 protected 2017 first-rounder, Charlotte’s unprotected 2019 first-round pick "

The package the Celtics are sending out is way way way better than that, yet they aren't getting AD.

He has the Kings receiving:

"Michael Kidd-Gilchrist (Hornets, $13M), Marcin Gortat (Wizards, $12M), Avery Bradley (Celtics, $8.26M), Marcus Smart (Celtics, $3.57M), the rights to Ante Zizic (Celtics), Charlotte’s unprotected 2017 first-rounder"

So most of the value the Kings are getting is from the Celtics. Charlotte's pick is a late first. The Celtics aren't getting Boogie.

He's got the Knicks getting:

"Rudy Gay (Kings, $13.3M), Amir Johnson (Celtics, $12M), Otto Porter (Wizards, $5.89M) "

I think getting Porter is pretty good, but pretty sure Knicks would want more value considering Porter will be an RFA.


SMH how do I get a job posting garbage for SI. I bet I could come up with a better 6 team trade right now off the top of my head.


I never tweet, but I just tweeted that guy...lol

[jrob23]

Board favourite Jahlil Okafor is having an odd start to the season. Playing under 20 minutes a game, mainly off the bench, down in pretty much every stat by the look of it. He can't be happy.

Obviously he has been discussed a lot on this board but I think he could still be a pretty solid player in the right situation, and perhaps it is good that he is not enhancing his trade value. Put him in a positive situation next to a front court player who can shoot such as Horford and I think he could do good things. He can't be any worse than Jerebko and Zeller.

PHI has been really tentative playing both Okafor and Embid. They were even alternating their starts. What I think is happening is that when they lost Simmons they figured might as well just try to work the bigs in slowly so they are 100% ready next season when Simmons is healthy and they've drafted one of the stud PGs in next year's draft. Eventually as the trade deadline approaches they'll make a trade. I'd gladly take Okafor off their hands. What you are seeing from him now is nothing compared to what you'll see once/if he gets major minutes once fully healthy. He's better than all our bigs and might have upside higher than Horford. I don't see PHI trading him though. Why do people think PHI is in a rush to trade their division rivals help? If he was moved I would think it's to a team out West.

[DorfonCeltics]

How do you know my taste in music?

Your avy is one of my favorite albums and we've discussed music in the arts thread.

Haha, I know. I was just trying to act suspicious. Anyway, just saw Gilmour this past year in NYC. What an amazing musician.

My friends were at that Gilmour show and they all said it was one of the best if not best concert they've been to. Pretty amazing he can do what he does at 70.

[SmartWentCrazy]

Board favourite Jahlil Okafor is having an odd start to the season. Playing under 20 minutes a game, mainly off the bench, down in pretty much every stat by the look of it. He can't be happy.

Obviously he has been discussed a lot on this board but I think he could still be a pretty solid player in the right situation, and perhaps it is good that he is not enhancing his trade value. Put him in a positive situation next to a front court player who can shoot such as Horford and I think he could do good things. He can't be any worse than Jerebko and Zeller.

He's playing 20 MPG because he's still not healthy from his knee injury in February. Firm pass.

[Celts17Pride]

Can't believe people are still talking about Okafor and Noel. LOL! Let it go.