Trade Thread 2017: Not Once, Not twice, But Thrice!

[Edug27]

The conversation ends with Melo unwilling to waive his clause to go to Boston. His wife and her career would be hurt by the move. Better chance of going to Brooklyn or LA to be honest.

Phil is doing all he can to keep this conversation alive..

[CeltsfanSinceBirth]

If Melo's head is in the right place, and he was willing to acquiesce to the fact that he's no longer viable as a high volume, primary scoring option, then he'd be a nice player to have as a second option. However, by all accounts, he has a huge ego. Basically ran Jeremy Lin out of town when Linsanity was at its peak. Also took the money with the Knicks, rather than going to Chicago and teaming up with Derrick Rose and Joakim Noah.

I don't think Ainge sees him as a fit......but if Phil Jackson was willing to accept garbage for him (expirings, 2018 Celtics pick, and a bunch of 2nd rounders that the team can't use anyways), then it's something Danny would have to seriously consider, especially if he's not confident in landing a free agent this summer. He would still be the 2nd best shot creator on this roster.

[Edug27]

Precisely. Understand my first post better now? Melo isn't coming here. He may not be going anywhere.

I took NoCuz and NoMelo as "not good fits here". But if that's your logic then allow me to further it... NoElitePlayer

I honestly don't see us acquiring an elite player anytime soon.

Agree.

[Captain_Caveman]

No, lol, it's an absurd question.

What world are you living in where the Knicks are a competent organization that will trade him to us for relatively fair value?

Same world where Bulls FO is amazing? Cause it's not the world I'm living in.

If cows were kittens there would be a milk shortage. They aren't. Knicks FO ain't dealing us to him cheap.

Not sure. Amir/Zeller and lesser picks could get it done. The waters are already poisoned in terms of keeping him, and there won't be much of a market for him -- which will only be further constrained by his no-trade.

I 100% agree with you on him being a POS that we shouldn't trade for, I just think the Knicks are in a bad spot. They need to hit reset and dump some ballast.

Why is he a POS? Cause he shoots a lot on mediocre efficiency? What he got an ego? Yeah, he's a pro athlete, he better think highly of himself.

You don't know that man. That is so irritating to me. That's like me basing me like for you on your views on the Celtics. You wanna trade Smart? - must be a POS.

Come on man. You're better than saying dumb **** like that.

Oh, relax. I'm sure he is a good enough dude.

We just shouldn't trade for him. LBF had a good point once about KG and PP could likely both make the switch from star players to role players as their skills faded, just as guys like Kidd and Grant Hill had done before. Some guys not capable of that, like Iverson or Wiz Era Jordan. I think it is pretty clear that Melo is in the latter group. Dude will very likely not age gracefully or try to fit it, or defer to people like IT.

In that sense, he's a POS, at least lol.

[CeltsfanSinceBirth]

Danny has to contact Hayward's agent and see how likely it is that he signs with the Celtics in the offseason. If there's less than a 75% chance of it happening, then Danny has to start looking at deals without paying any mind to cap space. Go get Melo if he's cheap. Get Noel if you don't have to give up anything from the core.

I think they call this tampering unless it happens after July 1.

Since when has that stopped anyone?

[klemen4]

Melo does not care about winning, always went for the money and location. imo he would rather enjoy Ny than move to Boston to compete for title. He is that kind of guy...He only aproves to go to LA imo, but the do not have assets yes. Only C.Paul and Doc can make it...if Paul want Melo over Griffin and we add Crowder to LAC we imo have a 3 way deal. Yes it will also cost us at leat another first rounder to NY, but that s the only option I see Melo trade happening and we getting Blake!

[Captain_Caveman]

If Melo's head is in the right place, and he was willing to acquiesce to the fact that he's no longer viable as a high volume, primary scoring option, then he'd be a nice player to have as a second option. However, by all accounts, he has a huge ego. Basically ran Jeremy Lin out of town when Linsanity was at its peak. Also took the money with the Knicks, rather than going to Chicago and teaming up with Derrick Rose and Joakim Noah.

I don't think Ainge sees him as a fit......but if Phil Jackson was willing to accept garbage for him (expirings, 2018 Celtics pick, and a bunch of 2nd rounders that the team can't use anyways), then it's something Danny would have to seriously consider, especially if he's not confident in landing a free agent this summer. He would still be the 2nd best shot creator on this roster.

Agree right down the line.

[Captain_Caveman]

Danny has to contact Hayward's agent and see how likely it is that he signs with the Celtics in the offseason. If there's less than a 75% chance of it happening, then Danny has to start looking at deals without paying any mind to cap space. Go get Melo if he's cheap. Get Noel if you don't have to give up anything from the core.

I think they call this tampering unless it happens after July 1.

Since when has that stopped anyone?

They can go backchannel. Last year's All-Star Weekend was basically a big FA recruitment-fest, with the Ws guys working KD and IT leaning on Horford.

[reload141]

I think they call this tampering unless it happens after July 1.

Since when has that stopped anyone?

They can go backchannel. Last year's All-Star Weekend was basically a big FA recruitment-fest, with the Ws guys working KD and IT leaning on Horford.

Hopefully Hayward gets named as an All-Star this year so IT can hit him up at the game

[ConstableGeneva]

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This dude saying Ibaka's likely to walk in FA if he's not traded by deadline. LOL Magic dealt Oladipo, Sabonis, and Ilyasova for potentially nothing.

[jfs1000d]

The conversation ends with Melo unwilling to waive his clause to go to Boston. His wife and her career would be hurt by the move. Better chance of going to Brooklyn or LA to be honest.

Didn't he have Boston list of 3 teams? If her career so important, stay in ny. Or, she can take a town car when she needs it and can keep an apartment there.

This is a dumb reason.


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[sully00]

Not sure. Amir/Zeller and lesser picks could get it done. The waters are already poisoned in terms of keeping him, and there won't be much of a market for him -- which will only be further constrained by his no-trade.

I 100% agree with you on him being a POS that we shouldn't trade for, I just think the Knicks are in a bad spot. They need to hit reset and dump some ballast.

Why is he a POS? Cause he shoots a lot on mediocre efficiency? What he got an ego? Yeah, he's a pro athlete, he better think highly of himself.

You don't know that man. That is so irritating to me. That's like me basing me like for you on your views on the Celtics. You wanna trade Smart? - must be a POS.

Come on man. You're better than saying dumb **** like that.

Oh, relax. I'm sure he is a good enough dude.

We just shouldn't trade for him. LBF had a good point once about KG and PP could likely both make the switch from star players to role players as their skills faded, just as guys like Kidd and Grant Hill had done before. Some guys not capable of that, like Iverson or Wiz Era Jordan. I think it is pretty clear that Melo is in the latter group. Dude will very likely not age gracefully or try to fit it, or defer to people like IT.

In that sense, he's a POS, at least lol.

I say this from the perspective that I thought he would fall off a cliff at 32 but Vince Carter makes a pretty good argument that Melo will age just fine.

People have to come to terms with what we are talking about with Anthony. Nobody is saying he is a top 3 player or that he ever was that doesn't matter anymore. The fact that he is at best an indifferent defender who doesn't really elevate the play of his teammates doesn't change the fact that the guy is a pretty lethal scorer. If you add him to a 50 win team instead of trying cobble a roster around that could possibly win 50 games then you might be able to cash in.

We have seen him in the Olympic setting with other really talented guys that he can share the ball and be a winner. The other issue is that he is already signed for next season and has an ETO for the next year. Honestly it might be all over by then and so be it. Back into FA maybe see what all the kids you have drafted can do at that point.

It will never happen because Ainge won't give up a BRK pick for him and Phil can't trade him to the Celtics for less. But I think it is worth thinking long and hard about if the price is right.

[Andrew McCeltic]

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This dude saying Ibaka's likely to walk in FA if he's not traded by deadline. LOL Magic dealt Oladipo, Sabonis, and Ilyasova for potentially nothing.

Ironically, as much as Oklahoma City clearly "won" the trade, it wasn't a huge loss for the Magic. Oladipo was a restricted free agent and they didn't want to pay him, Ilyasova is limited (the Thunder traded him for Jerami Grant), and Sabonis was a late lotto pick.

Trading Tobias Harris at the deadline was a bigger head scratcher - they could use his scoring now. Made sense to clear cap room - but the disaster was in adding Biyombo and Green with the space.

The problems seem like team identity and chemistry - if I were a player, I'd be very confused about where I fit.

The smart move would be for John Wall - it could take Payton, Hezonja *and* Gordon, but he's savvy enough as a playmaker and distributor to make everyone else fall into place.

[sully00]

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This dude saying Ibaka's likely to walk in FA if he's not traded by deadline. LOL Magic dealt Oladipo, Sabonis, and Ilyasova for potentially nothing.

There was something from Ibaka on twitter to friends that his time in ORL is just about done.

I am still trying to figure out what that team's FO was thinking. I like Ibaka and all but he is at best a 3rd or 4th option if you haven't actually figured out 1-3 what the hell are you doing?

[FlatearthZorro]

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This dude saying Ibaka's likely to walk in FA if he's not traded by deadline. LOL Magic dealt Oladipo, Sabonis, and Ilyasova for potentially nothing.

That team's a mess anyways. I mean Dj Augustin is their starting PG. That being said, one of the reason why I don't like trading for players that have 1 season or half a season left. They can walk and you can't do anything.

I'm not a fan of Ibaka, he peaked 3 years ago and his stats are showing that. We've talked about here, there's a likelihood that he's 31-32 years old, maybe even more. The guy has aged a lot the past 3-4 years and literally looks old. From his game(athletic ability, movement) to his actual face.

[Darthlukey]

This is contrary to the building an instant contender idea, but if we can't get a superstar prior to the deadline do you guys think it would be a beneficial move to trade the BKN 17 pick for PHI 17 and the rights to the LAL pick (either this year or next). It likely doesn't give us access to a top 3 pick this year (which is point guard heavy at the top but a position of strength for us at the moment) but we can draft some size this year and worst case scenario have access to 2 lottery picks next year to continue adding good young bigs

[cl2117]

Read on Twitter

This dude saying Ibaka's likely to walk in FA if he's not traded by deadline. LOL Magic dealt Oladipo, Sabonis, and Ilyasova for potentially nothing.

Ironically, as much as Oklahoma City clearly "won" the trade, it wasn't a huge loss for the Magic. Oladipo was a restricted free agent and they didn't want to pay him, Ilyasova is limited (the Thunder traded him for Jerami Grant), and Sabonis was a late lotto pick.

The problem is that they could have done other things with those pieces aside from grabbing Ibaka, which is the main reason it's a huge loss for the magic.

I'm not sure who that could have been, but even heading to RFA, Oladipo plus the #11 pick is a pretty strong package. They could have traded up into the top 8 or they could have made a move for Teague or something along those lines.

[Bohemian]

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This dude saying Ibaka's likely to walk in FA if he's not traded by deadline. LOL Magic dealt Oladipo, Sabonis, and Ilyasova for potentially nothing.

That team's a mess anyways. I mean Dj Augustin is their starting PG. That being said, one of the reason why I don't like trading for players that have 1 season or half a season left. They can walk and you can't do anything.

I'm not a fan of Ibaka, he peaked 3 years ago and his stats are showing that. We've talked about here, there's a likelihood that he's 31-32 years old, maybe even more. The guy has aged a lot the past 3-4 years and literally looks old. From his game(athletic ability, movement) to his actual face.

Lol, this talk about Ibaka's age is turning ridiculous. Let's be serious, ok? Thanks

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[FlatearthZorro]

Read on Twitter

This dude saying Ibaka's likely to walk in FA if he's not traded by deadline. LOL Magic dealt Oladipo, Sabonis, and Ilyasova for potentially nothing.

That team's a mess anyways. I mean Dj Augustin is their starting PG. That being said, one of the reason why I don't like trading for players that have 1 season or half a season left. They can walk and you can't do anything.

I'm not a fan of Ibaka, he peaked 3 years ago and his stats are showing that. We've talked about here, there's a likelihood that he's 31-32 years old, maybe even more. The guy has aged a lot the past 3-4 years and literally looks old. From his game(athletic ability, movement) to his actual face.

Lol, this talk about Ibaka's age is turning ridiculous. Let's be serious, ok? Thanks

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I'm actually 100% serious. U're european, you should know about that a lot more. If not go watch documentaries about Africa and how you can basically buy birth certificate that says ure 19 when you're in fact 30. I forgot which african country it was, but it won the world football championship U18, it turned out that more than half of their team was 21+.

I'm dead serious.

[LarryBirdsFingr]

It's not about taking or making shots with Melo, or with other older players. It's HOW you're getting those shots. Under what context are they being shot? Are they within the flow of a ball movement offense? Are you only dumping down and iso on miss matches? If your iso movement isn't what it was, are you taking better, more efficient shots off hand offs and screens?

These are the questions you ask about Melo, or any star player as they age. Isolation scoring IS THE FIRST THING TO GO when you age as a player. You can either adjust to your limitations and play smarter, with more efficient iso and more ball movement, or fuuuucc off.