The (Quintessential) Trade Thread, 2017 (Part 5.0)

[Kolkmania]

14 rebounds per game. Our trouble would be over.

Make it happen Danny!

And yes, Drummond is worth at least one of the BKN picks. He is 23 and under contract for several years

If that were true, why would the Pistons trade him? Like you said, he's young and under contract. You don't trade away young players who are locked in for years if they have the value of a potential number 1 pick in the Draft. Especially considering that pick can just as easily fall to 4.

Because Stan's about to f*ck up. Coach/GM combos rarely work - it's too easy to get frustrated with players, or to overrate your own coaching impact, like, 'If I could just get a guy who can defend the pick and roll, we'd win all the time'.

Or Stan realizes that the current roster is locked up for the next three years and the chances that KCP and Drummond will bring them a title is nearly zero. If he has the opportunity to trade Drummond and Jackson for great draft picks it makes sense to me.

[Andrew McCeltic]

These guys are media savvy, could just be messing with us like Kyrie talking about the earth's flatness.

But I'd be totally on board with Drummond, up to including BKN 18 - but it might not take that - Zizic, Yabu, something else.

SVG is clearly ready to bail on his rebuilding plan - if they get Hezonja and maybe Vuc from Orlando for Jackson, that's a nice move.

I think he's scapegoating Drummond for things not working out- the guy's still only 23 - won't be 24 until August. (Hield turns 24 in December). He'd fit our old vet lineup and your youth lineup.

The issues for SVG were that Drummond hasn't been defending the way he wants to - was apparently excelling at pick and roll D in pre-season, but hangs back at the rim now. Can't shoot, can't shoot free throws, and he'd be potentially a great pick and roll player with IT, but in terms of his own low-post scoring, it's still clunky and under development.

He's still twice as good as Deandre Jordan was at 23, and I think he's coachable, especially by Brad. I'm sure he passes the character test. He's just not coachable by Stan.

So he's a good fit age-wise, but he's not a capable player. I agree with that. Detroit is a better rebounding team when Drummond is off, they score more efficiently when he's off, defend better when he's off and his post touches are Dwight Howard-esque. I think he's massively overrated.

Would trade him for Tyler Zeller though.

The rebounding thing is nonsense - they have good back-up bigs, so that just means their second unit is beating up on other second units on the boards. Scoring efficiency, team defense, those are legit concerns - obviously he's not a "stretch" big. But time, coaching, experience, environment are probably going to ameliorate everything except his free throw shooting, unless he starts going underhanded.

[FlatearthZorro]

14 rebounds per game. Our trouble would be over.

Make it happen Danny!

And yes, Drummond is worth at least one of the BKN picks. He is 23 and under contract for several years

If that were true, why would the Pistons trade him? Like you said, he's young and under contract. You don't trade away young players who are locked in for years if they have the value of a potential number 1 pick in the Draft. Especially considering that pick can just as easily fall to 4.

Because Stan's about to f*ck up. Coach/GM combos rarely work - it's too easy to get frustrated with players, or to overrate your own coaching impact, like, 'If I could just get a guy who can defend the pick and roll, we'd win all the time'.

I would give Ron Jeremy MEM pick/LAC pick, 1-2(Smart/Rozier or even Olynyk) young guys and a filler for Drummond. I dunno if he takes it tho and I don't think Drummond is the type of big Danny would take or look to trade for(he can't shoot 3s and can't knock down his FTs)

[gocelts]

Drummond as a rebounding, low post, defensive center would fantastic. As a number one scoring option? No way, but we already have that in IT.

Drummond allows Olynyk, Horford, Jerebko and even Yabs next year to hangout all day on the perimeter. Add a playmaker/table setter like Ball next year and we will be balanced enough to take on anyone.

[Andrew McCeltic]

If that were true, why would the Pistons trade him? Like you said, he's young and under contract. You don't trade away young players who are locked in for years if they have the value of a potential number 1 pick in the Draft. Especially considering that pick can just as easily fall to 4.

Because Stan's about to f*ck up. Coach/GM combos rarely work - it's too easy to get frustrated with players, or to overrate your own coaching impact, like, 'If I could just get a guy who can defend the pick and roll, we'd win all the time'.

Or Stan realizes that the current roster is locked up for the next three years and the chances that KCP and Drummond will bring them a title is nearly zero. If he has the opportunity to trade Drummond and Jackson for great draft picks it makes sense to me.

Or he's just not a good GM. He's the one who locked up that roster. He won the job with his "vision" of the Motor City Magic, spacing the floor around Drummond and building him into a dominant offensive player. That hasn't worked. Bailing now for something pace and space-ish and versatile - with maybe Mario, Stanley, Tobias Harris, a high lotto pick this year - and cap room, makes sense.

[ConstableGeneva]

OMG, Tyler Zeller removed his Celtics header on Twitter!! https://twitter.com/ZellerTyler
He's wearing a blue sweater in his profile pic. It could only mean MAVS or PISTONS!

[TheOGJabroni]

One Nets pick for Butler, one for Drummond. Hopefully mostly scraps from there. Maybe send Bradley to a team if needed.

[Writebloc]

Read on Twitter

[lon3lytoaster]

Definitely curious what the price would be for Drummond. I'm on the fence leaning towards willing to do the 18 pick but wonder how close Bradley, Rozier, Zizic and a non BK first gets.

[pasfru]

This pointless and unproductive trade speculation is too much fun.

[radcot]

I can't imagine why Detroit would let him go, but Drummond for a trade centered around BRK18 would be a great get for us IMO. He would be a perfect complement to Horford and KO -- and since we have those guys, we could mitigate his poor free throw shooting at the end of games.

[lon3lytoaster]

OMG, Tyler Zeller removed his Celtics header on Twitter!! https://twitter.com/ZellerTyler
He's wearing a blue sweater in his profile pic. It could only mean MAVS or PISTONS!

And he's following Dan Dickau!

No relevance other than "I remember that guy. What a bum."

[pinoyceltic]

This is fun and **** intoxicating at the same time.

[LarryBirdsFingr]

OMG, Tyler Zeller removed his Celtics header on Twitter!! https://twitter.com/ZellerTyler
He's wearing a blue sweater in his profile pic. It could only mean MAVS or PISTONS!

don't make me use that god awful internet time machine again

[MotownMadness]

Drummond would be a monster for you. His problem is his motor. But when engaged no one can stop him in the paint and is a 20 20 threat. It's why he's so frustrating cause we know what he's capable of when he wants it. He runs like a guard with good handles. Can't shoot but doesn't need it if he would just stick to the paint where he's a force. I could see him avg around 18 and 18 in the next couple seasons as he really is a elite rebounder with great touch at the rim.

[Kolkmania]

I can't imagine why Detroit would let him go, but Drummond for a trade centered around BRK18 would be a great get for us IMO. He would be a perfect complement to Horford and KO -- and since we have those guys, we could mitigate his poor free throw shooting at the end of games.

Don't think that the refs would allow Horford shooting Drummond's free throws.

[Andrew McCeltic]

I think Zizic, Yabu, expirings get you closer than you'd think.

Would be thrilled at getting Dre. He's not perfect, but we can afford to keep him growing for the next few years in a winning environment.

He and IT would be an incredible pick and roll duo - IT has a lot more skill than Reggie Jackson, we have more secondary shooters and ball handlers.

Like, imagining SVG f*cking this up is just great - hard to think of a comparison. Drummond isn't the reason they're struggling.

[lon3lytoaster]

I can't imagine why Detroit would let him go, but Drummond for a trade centered around BRK18 would be a great get for us IMO. He would be a perfect complement to Horford and KO -- and since we have those guys, we could mitigate his poor free throw shooting at the end of games.

Don't think that the refs would allow Horford shooting Drummond's free throws.

They let the Blazers play 6 on 5 against us one time. We could probably sneak Al to the free throw line.

[Green89]

Drummond is not worth Nets picks at all. Was he even an all star this year?

nope not this year, though his numbers are are a about the same as last year when he was an all-star. he is average 14 points and 14 boards and 1.2 blocks. He is 23 years old and locked up on a long term deal (3 more years plus a PO) that will be far below max money over the next few years.

one could certainly argue that he is worth a Nets picks...but could also argue that would be a bad investment.
but is he a dinosaur in the league now. No floor spacing at all, under 50% from the line.

seems like he could fit well in our rotation with guys like Horford and Olynyk that do spread the floor and could use the rebounding.

I would agree at this point, giving up a Nets pick is a risky move for him.

Only 3 Top five selected bigs from 2010-2015 have made all star: Towns, Cousins, Davis, so it's a slim shot that the BKN 18 will garner an all star big. Not a big deal that he's not an all star, as no centers made it this year in the East. The league has gone small.

[ConstableGeneva]

OMG, Tyler Zeller removed his Celtics header on Twitter!! https://twitter.com/ZellerTyler
He's wearing a blue sweater in his profile pic. It could only mean MAVS or PISTONS!

don't make me use that god awful internet time machine again

Hahah no, GodZeller never had a Twitter header as far as I recall. I hate myself for knowing this.
I still haven't fully forgiven him for costing us about 5 games with the Horford concussion.