All Aboard! Next Stop "2017 NBA Draft Lottery" All Things Draft Thread

[FuriousRiles]

Do you have a link to the article or could you point me in the direction of the interview? I'd like to read/listen to that.

He also says that Lonzo would be ahead of Simmons as well. It's the bottom video at the bottom of the page:

https://sports.yahoo.com/news/celtics-will-trade-no-1-draft-pick-second-coming-155025040.html

Jonathan says he's 6'6" in the video. He's currently listed as 6'4" most places... did he grow or did Jonathan misspeak?

[pasfru]

Do you have a link to the article or could you point me in the direction of the interview? I'd like to read/listen to that.

He also says that Lonzo would be ahead of Simmons as well. It's the bottom video at the bottom of the page:

https://sports.yahoo.com/news/celtics-will-trade-no-1-draft-pick-second-coming-155025040.html

Everything about Simmons screams bad attitude. Apparently his teammates at LSU and on the national team didn't like him at all.

[KGboss]

Do you have a link to the article or could you point me in the direction of the interview? I'd like to read/listen to that.

He also says that Lonzo would be ahead of Simmons as well. It's the bottom video at the bottom of the page:

https://sports.yahoo.com/news/celtics-will-trade-no-1-draft-pick-second-coming-155025040.html

Jonathan says he's 6'6" in the video. He's currently listed as 6'4" most places... did he grow or did Jonathan misspeak?

6' 6" would make a difference.

Is that what he measured up as at the combine last week?

[Shamrock]

Do you have a link to the article or could you point me in the direction of the interview? I'd like to read/listen to that.

He also says that Lonzo would be ahead of Simmons as well. It's the bottom video at the bottom of the page:

https://sports.yahoo.com/news/celtics-will-trade-no-1-draft-pick-second-coming-155025040.html

Jonathan says he's 6'6" in the video. He's currently listed as 6'4" most places... did he grow or did Jonathan misspeak?

Hmmm good point. No clue, but Givony knows more than we do since he's around these guys all of the time. It really wouldn't be surprising if he grew a inch or so in the last year.

[Shamrock]

Markelle was last measured in July of last year. What would being 6'5-6'6 do to his value? Not gonna lie it would not be surprising if he has grown another inch or so

[FlatearthZorro]

Markelle was last measured in July of last year. What would being 6'5-6'6 do to his value? Not gonna lie it would not be surprising if he has grown another inch or so

The taller the better, bt 6'5 is enough.

[FuriousRiles]

The more I read about Fultz the more excited I get. Didn't realize he's the only player in the last 25 years to average 20/5/5 while shooting at least 40 percent from the field.

[pasfru]

If Fultz has grown two inches since last summer...

[Shamrock]

Adding fuel to the fire but... Isn't Lonzo 6'6? Kind of hard to take this picture seriously but they are pretty close in height

Spoiler:

Also... Fultz was measured at 6'4"75 at the hoop summit in April of 2016 when he was 17.

http://www.draftexpress.com/article/2016-Nike-Hoop-Summit-USA-Junior-National-Select-Team-Measurements-5428/

[BleedGreen1989]

I really don't understand how Fultz is such a no brainer. His team was G-d Awful. I don't care what you guys say about his teammates, if you put Lebron or MJ on any of these teams at age 19 they are winning more games. The guy doesn't look like a winner.

1) Go watch a full Washington game. His team was TERRIBLE. They likely do not have anyone else who will play professional basketball. Anywhere.

2) His coach was terrible. So terrible that, despite landing the #1 overall recruit [and widely seen as a prospect above Fultz] next year, they still fired him.

Romar insisted on playing 2 traditional bigs despite the overwhelming statistical evidence that it was killing their team and the qualitative observation that Fultz would be best playing in space.

3) Teams who played Washington had one goal on defense-- stop Fultz. He was trapped like playoff IT every single game. And he still put up 24-6-6 on 56% TS. In a system that was designed to work against him.

4) When evaluating him, I prefer to project him outward. In the NBA, where defenses cant just park bigs in the paint, on a team where bigs live on the perimeter, Fultz will be electric. I have 0 doubts that he will be considered a future superstar by the end of next year. He's too talented and joining a team with the perfect system for him. All the stars have aligned.

All great points.

And we're really faulting him for not being Lebron or MJ??

[pasfru]

I really don't understand how Fultz is such a no brainer. His team was G-d Awful. I don't care what you guys say about his teammates, if you put Lebron or MJ on any of these teams at age 19 they are winning more games. The guy doesn't look like a winner.

1) Go watch a full Washington game. His team was TERRIBLE. They likely do not have anyone else who will play professional basketball. Anywhere.

2) His coach was terrible. So terrible that, despite landing the #1 overall recruit [and widely seen as a prospect above Fultz] next year, they still fired him.

Romar insisted on playing 2 traditional bigs despite the overwhelming statistical evidence that it was killing their team and the qualitative observation that Fultz would be best playing in space.

3) Teams who played Washington had one goal on defense-- stop Fultz. He was trapped like playoff IT every single game. And he still put up 24-6-6 on 56% TS. In a system that was designed to work against him.

4) When evaluating him, I prefer to project him outward. In the NBA, where defenses cant just park bigs in the paint, on a team where bigs live on the perimeter, Fultz will be electric. I have 0 doubts that he will be considered a future superstar by the end of next year. He's too talented and joining a team with the perfect system for him. All the stars have aligned.

Is Porter really > Fultz?

[SmartWentCrazy]

I really don't understand how Fultz is such a no brainer. His team was G-d Awful. I don't care what you guys say about his teammates, if you put Lebron or MJ on any of these teams at age 19 they are winning more games. The guy doesn't look like a winner.

1) Go watch a full Washington game. His team was TERRIBLE. They likely do not have anyone else who will play professional basketball. Anywhere.

2) His coach was terrible. So terrible that, despite landing the #1 overall recruit [and widely seen as a prospect above Fultz] next year, they still fired him.

Romar insisted on playing 2 traditional bigs despite the overwhelming statistical evidence that it was killing their team and the qualitative observation that Fultz would be best playing in space.

3) Teams who played Washington had one goal on defense-- stop Fultz. He was trapped like playoff IT every single game. And he still put up 24-6-6 on 56% TS. In a system that was designed to work against him.

4) When evaluating him, I prefer to project him outward. In the NBA, where defenses cant just park bigs in the paint, on a team where bigs live on the perimeter, Fultz will be electric. I have 0 doubts that he will be considered a future superstar by the end of next year. He's too talented and joining a team with the perfect system for him. All the stars have aligned.

Is Porter really > Fultz?

No idea, IMO. Haven't watched him play enough. I've just heard a few analysts on podcasts say that they'd take him above Fultz.

With that caveat, people say that every year about the next top prospect, so its probably lusting for the unknown.

[LarryBirdsFingr]

just gonna repost my comment from the trade thread here:

"so many of the things that Fultz does, you can't "practice" you can't "work on" you can't "get better at" they are things you either can or cannot do, and thats what separates superstars from stars and starters."

[165bows]

The more I read about Fultz the more excited I get. Didn't realize he's the only player in the last 25 years to average 20/5/5 while shooting at least 40 percent from the field.

I've informally called that the "Dwyane Wade test" for prospects, at least the first part. Guys that can be on pace to average that 20/5/5 with decent efficiency plus some block/steal rates are good bets to go places.

[LarryBirdsFingr]

The more I read about Fultz the more excited I get. Didn't realize he's the only player in the last 25 years to average 20/5/5 while shooting at least 40 percent from the field.

I've informally called that the "Dwyane Wade test" for prospects, at least the first part. Guys that can be on pace to average that 20/5/5 with decent efficiency plus some block/steal rates are good bets to go places.

its actually a really great system/test. i like it.

[rochrist]

How about this
Trade the #1, nets future #1, Rozier + Smart or some other trash Ainge can make look good, for Pheonix pick + Devin Booker?

No. Just no.

[LarryBirdsFingr]

How about this
Trade the #1, nets future #1, Rozier + Smart or some other trash Ainge can make look good, for Pheonix pick + Devin Booker?

No. Just no.

lol there are so many idiots on the board this week, booker?! ahahaahahah

[reload141]

You draft Fultz, take the guy with superstar potential every day of the week. He's OUR asset and under OUR control for a long time.

AD or Towns are probably the only two players that make sense to trade it for.

[FuriousRiles]

The more I read about Fultz the more excited I get. Didn't realize he's the only player in the last 25 years to average 20/5/5 while shooting at least 40 percent from the field.

I've informally called that the "Dwyane Wade test" for prospects, at least the first part. Guys that can be on pace to average that 20/5/5 with decent efficiency plus some block/steal rates are good bets to go places.

Wow, I didn't realize they were that comparable:

Wade 02-03: 21.5pts, 4.4 ast, 6.3 trb, 2.2 stl, 1.3 block, .519 2P%, .318 3P%
Fultz 16-17: 23.2pts, 5.9 ast, 5.7 trb, 1.6 stl, 1.2 block, .502 2P%, .413 3P%

[Marvel]

How about this
Trade the #1, nets future #1, Rozier + Smart or some other trash Ainge can make look good, for Pheonix pick + Devin Booker?

No. Just no.

lol there are so many idiots on the board this week, booker?! ahahaahahah

Booker's helluva player but that's still a terrible trade.