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[MagicBagley18]

Timelord has been a bright spot in an otherwise gloomy season. With that said, I still put him in the category of TRADE CHIP. Giving him a big payday is risky business. Right now he presents major value around the league as he's still on rookie scale deal (extension eligible this summer), and has sorta broken through as an intriguing defensive guru. I'd imagine that if Danny wants to get anything major done this offseason to improve this roster, he's going to need to dangle Timelord. Beyond Williams, there really isn't much else on the roster that will be sought after in trades. Maybe Nesmith as he's shown enough flashes to intrigue.
The goal for Danny should be to add a bonafide third star to join Tatum & Brown. Ainge should be focused on moving off of Kemba's deal and pairing that with Timelord and/or Nesmith, and picks.
That's really the only path.
A lot of people will say Smart is the piece you move. I just don't see it. Smart is one of those guys that is more valuable to the Celtics then he is to other franchises. Not to mention he's a UFA after next season. Smart at 20+ million is not nearly as valuable as a piece then Smart at 13mill.

the question becomes...who can be had in a trade? Washington isn't going to rush off of Beal unless Beal strongly hints at wanting out. KAT/Edwards & the Wolves have shown enough promise to run it back and see what type of leap they can make next season. Dame is another interesting name to me. If Portland loses early in the playoffs does that franchise look at possibly resetting? Likely not, but you never know.

Any other big names you guys think could possibly become available in trade talks this summer?

No. 2 months ago I figured it would be beal but the playoff push has him imo at best becoming available after testing free agency after next season. Think that a trade is off the table this summer. KAT publicly has said he’s happy in Minnesota but don’t believe it-yet still feel we are a year away from that materializing.

I could see ainge dangling rob could also see him getting him signed to a friendly deal. I think this summer the goal will be to add depth as I don’t see any players available that will be worth moving Jaylen for. Dame would have to be told by Portland they are moving him as he seems very loyal.

[Fencer reregistered]

This thread lasted almost three years before it was taken over by trade discussions.

I'll miss it.

[ddb]

This thread lasted almost three years before it was taken over by trade discussions.

I'll miss it.

good point. Okay, so back to Timelord. Trade Chip. Whether he's signed to an early extension this summer or not I view him as a trade chip. Hate to say it, but there are plenty of guys in the league that do what he does. It's obviously much harder to find an All-Star. If Boston can score another All-Star and it takes assets including Timelord, then Ainge must do it.

[Fencer reregistered]

This thread lasted almost three years before it was taken over by trade discussions.

I'll miss it.

good point. Okay, so back to Timelord. Trade Chip. Whether he's signed to an early extension this summer or not I view him as a trade chip. Hate to say it, but there are plenty of guys in the league that do what he does. It's obviously much harder to find an All-Star. If Boston can score another All-Star and it takes assets including Timelord, then Ainge must do it.

There are certainly a lot of guys in the league with Rob's general style of play. But how many of them really have his three-dimensional quickness? How many of those match him in rebounding (either by having equally reliable hands or by exceeding him in some other way, such as blocking out)? How many of those add equal value on offense (either by equalling him in passing or exceeding him in non-dunk scoring)?

[Celts17Pride]

This thread lasted almost three years before it was taken over by trade discussions.

I'll miss it.

good point. Okay, so back to Timelord. Trade Chip. Whether he's signed to an early extension this summer or not I view him as a trade chip. Hate to say it, but there are plenty of guys in the league that do what he does. It's obviously much harder to find an All-Star. If Boston can score another All-Star and it takes assets including Timelord, then Ainge must do it.

Don't have any problem moving TimeLord in a Kemba trade. Finding a team that would have interest in Kemba is the problem. Charlotte? New York? Chicago? New Orleans?

[Fencer reregistered]

This thread lasted almost three years before it was taken over by trade discussions.

I'll miss it.

good point. Okay, so back to Timelord. Trade Chip. Whether he's signed to an early extension this summer or not I view him as a trade chip. Hate to say it, but there are plenty of guys in the league that do what he does. It's obviously much harder to find an All-Star. If Boston can score another All-Star and it takes assets including Timelord, then Ainge must do it.

Don't have any problem moving TimeLord in a Kemba trade. Finding a team that would have interest in Kemba is the problem. Charlotte? New York? Chicago? New Orleans?

Argggh!!!!! More trade talk in this thread!!!!!!!!!

OK. I'm obviously in a minority as to what I want to see in this forum right now. See you all later.

[Fencer reregistered]

This thread lasted almost three years before it was taken over by trade discussions.

I'll miss it.

good point. Okay, so back to Timelord. Trade Chip. Whether he's signed to an early extension this summer or not I view him as a trade chip. Hate to say it, but there are plenty of guys in the league that do what he does. It's obviously much harder to find an All-Star. If Boston can score another All-Star and it takes assets including Timelord, then Ainge must do it.

Don't have any problem moving TimeLord in a Kemba trade. Finding a team that would have interest in Kemba is the problem. Charlotte? New York? Chicago? New Orleans?

Just to be clear, one reason this post infuriates me is that it's so monumentally stupid. Getting rid of Rob and Kemba without getting anything in return really is the kind of team sabotage that will lead the Jays to want to be elsewhere. I.e., that move makes no sense unless there are plans to trade Brown and Tatum for picks ...

... which would be truly idiotic.

If you want to tear the team down and start over, fine; I think it's ridiculous, but you hav the right to disagree. But there already are plenty of threads to make that case in. Why that garbage has to be spread even into a thread about one of the team's best and most exciting players is beyond me.

[djFan71]

good point. Okay, so back to Timelord. Trade Chip. Whether he's signed to an early extension this summer or not I view him as a trade chip. Hate to say it, but there are plenty of guys in the league that do what he does. It's obviously much harder to find an All-Star. If Boston can score another All-Star and it takes assets including Timelord, then Ainge must do it.

Don't have any problem moving TimeLord in a Kemba trade. Finding a team that would have interest in Kemba is the problem. Charlotte? New York? Chicago? New Orleans?

Just to be clear, one reason this post infuriates me is that it's so monumentally stupid. Getting rid of Rob and Kemba without getting anything in return really is the kind of team sabotage that will lead the Jays to want to be elsewhere. I.e., that move makes no sense unless there are plans to trade Brown and Tatum for picks ...

... which would be truly idiotic.

If you want to tear the team down and start over, fine; I think it's ridiculous, but you hav the right to disagree. But there already are plenty of threads to make that case in. Why that garbage has to be spread even into a thread about one of the team's best and most exciting players is beyond me.

C'mon man, Celts17Pride is one of the best posters on the site. Even if he wasn't, your reaction was uncalled for. The topic taxonomy is never gonna be as clean as some would like it. Usually the trade side discussions run their course if we just let them die. If it gets too horrible, we can move some posts around, but ironically, you are helping perpetuate it in this thread.

[JHTruth]

This thread lasted almost three years before it was taken over by trade discussions.

I'll miss it.

good point. Okay, so back to Timelord. Trade Chip. Whether he's signed to an early extension this summer or not I view him as a trade chip. Hate to say it, but there are plenty of guys in the league that do what he does. It's obviously much harder to find an All-Star. If Boston can score another All-Star and it takes assets including Timelord, then Ainge must do it.

There are certainly a lot of guys in the league with Rob's general style of play. But how many of them really have his three-dimensional quickness? How many of those match him in rebounding (either by having equally reliable hands or by exceeding him in some other way, such as blocking out)? How many of those add equal value on offense (either by equalling him in passing or exceeding him in non-dunk scoring)?

Rob's impact metrics are simply elite, on par with the best players in the NBA. Celtics aren't trading him for anyone less than a Giannis or Joker. I'm not joking..

[Patsfan1081]

good point. Okay, so back to Timelord. Trade Chip. Whether he's signed to an early extension this summer or not I view him as a trade chip. Hate to say it, but there are plenty of guys in the league that do what he does. It's obviously much harder to find an All-Star. If Boston can score another All-Star and it takes assets including Timelord, then Ainge must do it.

There are certainly a lot of guys in the league with Rob's general style of play. But how many of them really have his three-dimensional quickness? How many of those match him in rebounding (either by having equally reliable hands or by exceeding him in some other way, such as blocking out)? How many of those add equal value on offense (either by equalling him in passing or exceeding him in non-dunk scoring)?

Rob's impact metrics are simply elite, on par with the best players in the NBA. Celtics aren't trading him for anyone less than a Giannis or Joker. I'm not joking..

He can’t stay healthy. I would love to see him here long term but it seems like such a bad gamble to give him big money.

[Celts17Pride]

Don't have any problem moving TimeLord in a Kemba trade. Finding a team that would have interest in Kemba is the problem. Charlotte? New York? Chicago? New Orleans?

Just to be clear, one reason this post infuriates me is that it's so monumentally stupid. Getting rid of Rob and Kemba without getting anything in return really is the kind of team sabotage that will lead the Jays to want to be elsewhere. I.e., that move makes no sense unless there are plans to trade Brown and Tatum for picks ...

... which would be truly idiotic.

If you want to tear the team down and start over, fine; I think it's ridiculous, but you hav the right to disagree. But there already are plenty of threads to make that case in. Why that garbage has to be spread even into a thread about one of the team's best and most exciting players is beyond me.

C'mon man, Celts17Pride is one of the best posters on the site. Even if he wasn't, your reaction was uncalled for. The topic taxonomy is never gonna be as clean as some would like it. Usually the trade side discussions run their course if we just let them die. If it gets too horrible, we can move some posts around, but ironically, you are helping perpetuate it in this thread.

Not to mention I was responding to someone

[Fencer reregistered]

Don't have any problem moving TimeLord in a Kemba trade. Finding a team that would have interest in Kemba is the problem. Charlotte? New York? Chicago? New Orleans?

Just to be clear, one reason this post infuriates me is that it's so monumentally stupid. Getting rid of Rob and Kemba without getting anything in return really is the kind of team sabotage that will lead the Jays to want to be elsewhere. I.e., that move makes no sense unless there are plans to trade Brown and Tatum for picks ...

... which would be truly idiotic.

If you want to tear the team down and start over, fine; I think it's ridiculous, but you hav the right to disagree. But there already are plenty of threads to make that case in. Why that garbage has to be spread even into a thread about one of the team's best and most exciting players is beyond me.

C'mon man, Celts17Pride is one of the best posters on the site. Even if he wasn't, your reaction was uncalled for. The topic taxonomy is never gonna be as clean as some would like it. Usually the trade side discussions run their course if we just let them die. If it gets too horrible, we can move some posts around, but ironically, you are helping perpetuate it in this thread.

Oh, come on. I requested that privately, and you personally turned the request down.

And sure enough, it quickly escalated to a post advocating blowing up the whole team. I can only conclude that you're OK with such posts appearing in every thread in the forum.

That's your prerogative, of course, and perhaps you have reasons that would change my mind (and if you do you have no obligation to bother sharing them). But I currently think it's a lousy policy to adopt. And whether or not I'm right in general, it's certainly a lousy stance from the standpoint of my personal enjoyment and blood pressure.

Toodles for now. Ban me if you feel like it; I'll barely notice.

[Parliament10]

Just to be clear, one reason this post infuriates me is that it's so monumentally stupid. Getting rid of Rob and Kemba without getting anything in return really is the kind of team sabotage that will lead the Jays to want to be elsewhere. I.e., that move makes no sense unless there are plans to trade Brown and Tatum for picks ...

... which would be truly idiotic.

If you want to tear the team down and start over, fine; I think it's ridiculous, but you hav the right to disagree. But there already are plenty of threads to make that case in. Why that garbage has to be spread even into a thread about one of the team's best and most exciting players is beyond me.

C'mon man, Celts17Pride is one of the best posters on the site. Even if he wasn't, your reaction was uncalled for. The topic taxonomy is never gonna be as clean as some would like it. Usually the trade side discussions run their course if we just let them die. If it gets too horrible, we can move some posts around, but ironically, you are helping perpetuate it in this thread.

Oh, come on. I requested that privately, and you personally turned the request down.

And sure enough, it quickly escalated to a post advocating blowing up the whole team. I can only conclude that you're OK with such posts appearing in every thread in the forum.

That's your prerogative, of course, and perhaps you have reasons that would change my mind (and if you do you have no obligation to bother sharing them). But I currently think it's a lousy policy to adopt. And whether or not I'm right in general, it's certainly a lousy stance from the standpoint of my personal enjoyment and blood pressure.

Toodles for now. Ban me if you feel like it; I'll barely notice.

You're Out of Line.
Straighten up.

~ Parl

[playa-hater]

Timelord has been a bright spot in an otherwise gloomy season. With that said, I still put him in the category of TRADE CHIP. Giving him a big payday is risky business. Right now he presents major value around the league as he's still on rookie scale deal (extension eligible this summer), and has sorta broken through as an intriguing defensive guru. I'd imagine that if Danny wants to get anything major done this offseason to improve this roster, he's going to need to dangle Timelord. Beyond Williams, there really isn't much else on the roster that will be sought after in trades. Maybe Nesmith as he's shown enough flashes to intrigue.
The goal for Danny should be to add a bonafide third star to join Tatum & Brown. Ainge should be focused on moving off of Kemba's deal and pairing that with Timelord and/or Nesmith, and picks.
That's really the only path.
A lot of people will say Smart is the piece you move. I just don't see it. Smart is one of those guys that is more valuable to the Celtics then he is to other franchises. Not to mention he's a UFA after next season. Smart at 20+ million is not nearly as valuable as a piece then Smart at 13mill.

the question becomes...who can be had in a trade? Washington isn't going to rush off of Beal unless Beal strongly hints at wanting out. KAT/Edwards & the Wolves have shown enough promise to run it back and see what type of leap they can make next season. Dame is another interesting name to me. If Portland loses early in the playoffs does that franchise look at possibly resetting? Likely not, but you never know.

Any other big names you guys think could possibly become available in trade talks this summer?

Am I the only one who thinks a healthy Rob (yeah I know, he's never healthy) is a 3rd star, or can/will be. I mean health aside, RW will definitely be a star going forward IMO.

[cloverleaf]

Timelord has been a bright spot in an otherwise gloomy season. With that said, I still put him in the category of TRADE CHIP. Giving him a big payday is risky business. Right now he presents major value around the league as he's still on rookie scale deal (extension eligible this summer), and has sorta broken through as an intriguing defensive guru. I'd imagine that if Danny wants to get anything major done this offseason to improve this roster, he's going to need to dangle Timelord. Beyond Williams, there really isn't much else on the roster that will be sought after in trades. Maybe Nesmith as he's shown enough flashes to intrigue.
The goal for Danny should be to add a bonafide third star to join Tatum & Brown. Ainge should be focused on moving off of Kemba's deal and pairing that with Timelord and/or Nesmith, and picks.
That's really the only path.
A lot of people will say Smart is the piece you move. I just don't see it. Smart is one of those guys that is more valuable to the Celtics then he is to other franchises. Not to mention he's a UFA after next season. Smart at 20+ million is not nearly as valuable as a piece then Smart at 13mill.

the question becomes...who can be had in a trade? Washington isn't going to rush off of Beal unless Beal strongly hints at wanting out. KAT/Edwards & the Wolves have shown enough promise to run it back and see what type of leap they can make next season. Dame is another interesting name to me. If Portland loses early in the playoffs does that franchise look at possibly resetting? Likely not, but you never know.

Any other big names you guys think could possibly become available in trade talks this summer?

Am I the only one who thinks a healthy Rob (yeah I know, he's never healthy) is a 3rd star, or can/will be. I mean health aside, RW will definitely be a star going forward IMO.

If Rob can stay healthy IMO he is the second best player behind Tatum. Perhaps as importantly he has the selfless passion, and is important enough of the floor, to be the real team leader and keep/inspire Tatum to play his best, least selfish version of his game.

[ddb]

This thread lasted almost three years before it was taken over by trade discussions.

I'll miss it.

good point. Okay, so back to Timelord. Trade Chip. Whether he's signed to an early extension this summer or not I view him as a trade chip. Hate to say it, but there are plenty of guys in the league that do what he does. It's obviously much harder to find an All-Star. If Boston can score another All-Star and it takes assets including Timelord, then Ainge must do it.

There are certainly a lot of guys in the league with Rob's general style of play. But how many of them really have his three-dimensional quickness? How many of those match him in rebounding (either by having equally reliable hands or by exceeding him in some other way, such as blocking out)? How many of those add equal value on offense (either by equalling him in passing or exceeding him in non-dunk scoring)?

he isn't a durable player. He's very talented, no question. Is he someone the Celtics can rely on long-term is the question.

[ddb]

There are certainly a lot of guys in the league with Rob's general style of play. But how many of them really have his three-dimensional quickness? How many of those match him in rebounding (either by having equally reliable hands or by exceeding him in some other way, such as blocking out)? How many of those add equal value on offense (either by equalling him in passing or exceeding him in non-dunk scoring)?

Rob's impact metrics are simply elite, on par with the best players in the NBA. Celtics aren't trading him for anyone less than a Giannis or Joker. I'm not joking..

He can’t stay healthy. I would love to see him here long term but it seems like such a bad gamble to give him big money.

and at the end of the day what could Ainge get as a return in a deal Timelord is in? I really enjoy watching him play and I'm aware his advanced metrics are off the charts. He's turning out to be a nice late 1st round pick (in year 3 finally). But again, guy isn't durable. He also isn't Al Jefferson and going be a centerpiece in a KG deal. So just something to watch this offseason.

[ddb]

Timelord has been a bright spot in an otherwise gloomy season. With that said, I still put him in the category of TRADE CHIP. Giving him a big payday is risky business. Right now he presents major value around the league as he's still on rookie scale deal (extension eligible this summer), and has sorta broken through as an intriguing defensive guru. I'd imagine that if Danny wants to get anything major done this offseason to improve this roster, he's going to need to dangle Timelord. Beyond Williams, there really isn't much else on the roster that will be sought after in trades. Maybe Nesmith as he's shown enough flashes to intrigue.
The goal for Danny should be to add a bonafide third star to join Tatum & Brown. Ainge should be focused on moving off of Kemba's deal and pairing that with Timelord and/or Nesmith, and picks.
That's really the only path.
A lot of people will say Smart is the piece you move. I just don't see it. Smart is one of those guys that is more valuable to the Celtics then he is to other franchises. Not to mention he's a UFA after next season. Smart at 20+ million is not nearly as valuable as a piece then Smart at 13mill.

the question becomes...who can be had in a trade? Washington isn't going to rush off of Beal unless Beal strongly hints at wanting out. KAT/Edwards & the Wolves have shown enough promise to run it back and see what type of leap they can make next season. Dame is another interesting name to me. If Portland loses early in the playoffs does that franchise look at possibly resetting? Likely not, but you never know.

Any other big names you guys think could possibly become available in trade talks this summer?

Am I the only one who thinks a healthy Rob (yeah I know, he's never healthy) is a 3rd star, or can/will be. I mean health aside, RW will definitely be a star going forward IMO.

If Rob can stay healthy IMO he is the second best player behind Tatum. Perhaps as importantly he has the selfless passion, and is important enough of the floor, to be the real team leader and keep/inspire Tatum to play his best, least selfish version of his game.

here we go overrating our guys. Ask the Clippers how it went thinking DJordan was a third star. Didn't work out. Centers like Timelord are limited in what they can do out there. They are vertical threats and shot blockers. In the case of Timelord he also isn't someone you can rely on to stay healthy. he's always hurt.

[playa-hater]

Am I the only one who thinks a healthy Rob (yeah I know, he's never healthy) is a 3rd star, or can/will be. I mean health aside, RW will definitely be a star going forward IMO.

If Rob can stay healthy IMO he is the second best player behind Tatum. Perhaps as importantly he has the selfless passion, and is important enough of the floor, to be the real team leader and keep/inspire Tatum to play his best, least selfish version of his game.

here we go overrating our guys. Ask the Clippers how it went thinking DJordan was a third star. Didn't work out. Centers like Timelord are limited in what they can do out there. They are vertical threats and shot blockers. In the case of Timelord he also isn't someone you can rely on to stay healthy. he's always hurt.

does winning much more with Timelord than with not matter? he makes a really ig impact on winning and that = star in my eyes.