Trade Thread Tread pt.2 2023-24 - (Off-season)

[ddb]

Where all the rumors at?? Fake and legit both welcome.

I can make some fake deals up that may or may not make sense :
Brown, Brogdon ,G Will ,future 1st for Lillard , Grant( s n t )
Brown ,Smart for Trae and Collins
Smart and Rob W for Murray and Collins
Brown for Bridges and Claxton
Rob W for Claxton
Brown for Ingram

Your first One featuring Lilliard & JGrant would be INCREDIBLE

[Celts17Pride]

Where all the rumors at?? Fake and legit both welcome.

The posters that majored in fakes trades are not longer here, which is too bad.

[Larry_Russell]

I fear that if Brown is signed to the supermax, that you cannot move him in a year.

The new CBA is crippling, and the very real fact that Brown could just be disinterested and not show Value that fits that contract.



I also feel like Portland and Dame are in a poker game with each other right now.


Brad wants #3 and wants Sharpe...Portland wants to keep Sharpe (Hence the "leaked" article)

Dame wants #3 and whoeverelse traded for a star player (He named Brown as a guy he would like to playwith) and said the "Play with Miami" thing letting Portland know that if he was to demand a trade the return could be not nearly as good as Brown.


Brown, Horford
for
Sharpe, Nurkic, Little and #3
Deals saves enough money to resign Grant

Dame
Simons
Brown
Grant
Horford

Scoot/Smart
Sharpe/White
Tatum/Little
???/Grant
Nurkic/Timelord



Brogdon trade for a PF
Smart, Pritchard, Muscala all can be traded if needed
Ideally nab Chris paul to come off bench for a year or 2 to exclusively work with Scoot.

Scoot/Paul/??
Sharpe/White/Begarin?
Tatum/Little/Hauser
???/Grant/Gallo
Nurkic/Timelord/Kornet

[165bows]

Lol at Brad wanting Sharpe.

[Celts17Pride]

Lol at Brad wanting Sharpe.

A ton of creative people in this forum that believe their own fiction.

[Hal14]

That better be some sweet filler, lol. But would definitely be interested.

That's true.

How about:
-Detroit drafts jarace walker at 5, so no longer needs stewart
-Celtics trade 2024 1st round pick + pritchard for stewart
-We make stewart our starting PF of the future. Rob starts at center. Al (who will be 37 yrs old) is moved to the bench as our primary backup big man

Then maybe you trade either Muscala or Gallo in a separate deal since the 2 of them are kind of redundant with what they bring, and with Stewart onboard, there's less minutes for them anyways.

Celtics can't trade 2024 1st due to the stepien rule.

We can trade our 2024 1st round pick. You're just not allowed to trade 1st round picks in consecutive years within the same NBA calendar year.

We traded our 2023 1st rounder for Brogdon last offseason. After we made that Brogdon trade, we essentially had to wait a year before being able to trade our 2024 1st rounder.

So we can trade the 2024 1st round pick this offseason, since a year would have passed since the Brogdon trade.

We traded our 2021 1st rounder for horford, our 2022 1st rounder for white and our 2023 1st rounder for brogdon. So we can trade our 1st round pick every year, we just have to space those trades out.

[Larry_Russell]

Lol at Brad wanting Sharpe.

If you were trading Brown to Portland for their assets....would you NOT want Sharpe back?

Outside of Dame and the #3 he is the highest valued asset they have.

I LOVE Simons, but I do think that Sharpe has the potential to be a Superior PLayer.

Great Size (Equal to Jaylen)
Athletic (Equal to Jaylen)
Can Shoot (Superior to Jaylen)
Showing great promise as a ball handler (Already approaching as good as Jaylen, IMO)
Defense (Getting better and was much better on a far worse defensive team towards end of season, Jaylen has gotten worse over the last couple of seasons)

Honestly, I think that Sharpe also shows a higher BBiq and also seems to improve his game and work on his weaknesses as opposed to Brown.

Watch on YouTube

;ab_channel=NextOnes

[Hal14]

Lol at Brad wanting Sharpe.

If you were trading Brown to Portland for their assets....would you NOT want Sharpe back?

Outside of Dame and the #3 he is the highest valued asset they have.

I LOVE Simons, but I do think that Sharpe has the potential to be a Superior PLayer.

Great Size (Equal to Jaylen)
Athletic (Equal to Jaylen)
Can Shoot (Superior to Jaylen)
Showing great promise as a ball handler (Already approaching as good as Jaylen, IMO)
Defense (Getting better and was much better on a far worse defensive team towards end of season, Jaylen has gotten worse over the last couple of seasons)

Honestly, I think that Sharpe also shows a higher BBiq and also seems to improve his game and work on his weaknesses as opposed to Brown.

Watch on YouTube

;ab_channel=NextOnes

Sharpe has the potential to be as good (possibly better) than JB, long term. But he literally just turned 20. So he's a year younger than Jalen Green. It'll take time for Sharpe - he's a long term guy.

I don't know if I'd go so far as to say he's a better shooter than JB. Going by the 3 pt % this year, sure, Sharpe was a little bit better. But that's only a 1 year sample size for Sharpe. Prior to getting drafted, he was known as a pretty good shooter, but not a great one. There were some questions about the shooting and if it would translate to the NBA - so it would not surprise me if he regressed a little bit and was around 34% next season. Meanwhile, JB had a down year shooting the ball and could easily be back around 36 or 37% next season.

Sharpe is a FREAK athlete, though. He does have a pretty high ceiling, which is why the Blazers jumped on him when he was still there with the 7th pick.

We're trying to win a championship right now - not 3 years from now. I'd rather have JB on my team in the short term. Long term, yeah, maybe I'd rather have Sharpe.

It's probably a moot point though, since Portland has said Sharpe is off limits.

[watsonthedragon]

You boys know Brad is going to randomly snag a quality piece for trash right? He has done it every year.

What he won't do is trade any of Smart/Brogdan/Brown

I'll keep reiterating it on every thread - it's ALMOST a guarantee we're moving one of those two due to the new CBA. Have to shed real money this offseason.

[Celts17Pride]

OT - Phoenix Suns

The Suns have 6 players locked up for 2023-2024 (Durant, Booker, Ayton. Payne, Shamet, Wainright) at a cost of $134,800,000. They also are planning to waive and stretch Chris Paul which will probably be another $3,750,000 which would put them at $138,550,000. The salary cap is projected to be $136,000,000 for 2023/2024. The Suns will be over the cap and have no draft picks because of the Durant trade.

Very surprising they are waiving Chris Paul in my opinion given their options. Chris Paul must be cooked. Going to be interesting to see how that team gets better.

[Celts17Pride]

You boys know Brad is going to randomly snag a quality piece for trash right? He has done it every year.

What he won't do is trade any of Smart/Brogdan/Brown

I'll keep reiterating it on every thread - it's ALMOST a guarantee we're moving one of those two due to the new CBA. Have to shed real money this offseason.

Celtics will be looking to move Brogdon but his injury is going to make it difficult in my opinion. Celtics and Brad Stevens won't move Smart, Brown or White. Stevens pretty much said so in his press conference unless of course they hit a snag in the Jaylen Brown extension talks.

[fallguy]

If Suns move on from CP3 then a package around Smart for Ayton helps both teams.

No it doesn't. We're not taking on another $30M player.

If the goal is a championship then money should not be an issue.

You really need to familiarize yourself with the new CBA.

[ddb]

Lol at Brad wanting Sharpe.

A ton of creative people in this forum that believe their own fiction.

Sharpe will be averaging around 20ppg of empty stats next season on a garbage rebuilding Blazers team alongside Scoot.

[Larry_Russell]

Lol at Brad wanting Sharpe.

A ton of creative people in this forum that believe their own fiction.

Sharpe will be averaging around 20ppg of empty stats next season on a garbage rebuilding Blazers team alongside Scoot.

You think the Blazers trade Dame?

[Hal14]

You boys know Brad is going to randomly snag a quality piece for trash right? He has done it every year.

What he won't do is trade any of Smart/Brogdan/Brown

I'll keep reiterating it on every thread - it's ALMOST a guarantee we're moving one of those two due to the new CBA. Have to shed real money this offseason.

Celtics will be looking to move Brogdon but his injury is going to make it difficult in my opinion. Celtics and Brad Stevens won't move Smart, Brown or White. Stevens pretty much said so in his press conference unless of course they hit a snag in the Jaylen Brown extension talks.

You might be right. But just because Brad said that in a press conference, he could still trade those guys.

He's obviously gonna say "we like our guys, we like our core, blah blah blah" in the press conference because:

a) that way he has leverage in trade negotiations. If he says "yup, Smart and JB are terrible, we need to trade them ASAP" then any leverage he has in trade negations goes out the window

b) he doesn't want any of the players freaking out, getting all worried or paranoid that they're gonna get traded. Wants to keep tension down, keep spirits high among all the players - especially after a disappointing ending to the season, which literally JUST happened so the players are still probably really bummed out about it

It shouldn't surprise anyone if smart or brown gets moved this summer - especially given the huge pay increase JB could potentially get, considering something seemed off with this team after the star break and in playoffs, we fell short of our goal this season and we also have a logjam in the back court (and lack of depth in the front court)..

[ddb]

A ton of creative people in this forum that believe their own fiction.

Sharpe will be averaging around 20ppg of empty stats next season on a garbage rebuilding Blazers team alongside Scoot.

You think the Blazers trade Dame?

Yes

[Celts17Pride]

I'll keep reiterating it on every thread - it's ALMOST a guarantee we're moving one of those two due to the new CBA. Have to shed real money this offseason.

Celtics will be looking to move Brogdon but his injury is going to make it difficult in my opinion. Celtics and Brad Stevens won't move Smart, Brown or White. Stevens pretty much said so in his press conference unless of course they hit a snag in the Jaylen Brown extension talks.

You might be right. But just because Brad said that in a press conference, he could still trade those guys.

He's obviously gonna say "we like our guys, we like our core, blah blah blah" in the press conference because:

a) that way he has leverage in trade negotiations. If he says "yup, Smart and JB are terrible, we need to trade them ASAP" then any leverage he has in trade negations goes out the window

b) he doesn't want any of the players freaking out, getting all worried or paranoid that they're gonna get traded. Wants to keep tension down, keep spirits high among all the players - especially after a disappointing ending to the season, which literally JUST happened so the players are still probably really bummed out about it

It shouldn't surprise anyone if smart or brown gets moved this summer - especially given the huge pay increase JB could potentially get, considering something seemed off with this team after the star break and in playoffs, we fell short of our goal this season and we also have a logjam in the back court (and lack of depth in the front court)..

Don't need a lecture on press conferences. I know how things work. Brad Stevens says he loves his core and is going to continue to build around them. The Celtics core is "Smart, Brown, Tatum, Horford, RW3" I would put White in there too. It "would be" a surprise if any of those players are moved.

Not too exciting for trade threads but it is what it is.

[Larry_Russell]

Sharpe will be averaging around 20ppg of empty stats next season on a garbage rebuilding Blazers team alongside Scoot.

You think the Blazers trade Dame?

Yes

Give us spme speculation man.

What does he go?
What is the return?

[EWINGtheory]

You think the Blazers trade Dame?

Yes

Give us spme speculation man.

What does he go?
What is the return?

All of the fan bases are speculating no one knows anymore than anyone else

[Hal14]

Celtics will be looking to move Brogdon but his injury is going to make it difficult in my opinion. Celtics and Brad Stevens won't move Smart, Brown or White. Stevens pretty much said so in his press conference unless of course they hit a snag in the Jaylen Brown extension talks.

You might be right. But just because Brad said that in a press conference, he could still trade those guys.

He's obviously gonna say "we like our guys, we like our core, blah blah blah" in the press conference because:

a) that way he has leverage in trade negotiations. If he says "yup, Smart and JB are terrible, we need to trade them ASAP" then any leverage he has in trade negations goes out the window

b) he doesn't want any of the players freaking out, getting all worried or paranoid that they're gonna get traded. Wants to keep tension down, keep spirits high among all the players - especially after a disappointing ending to the season, which literally JUST happened so the players are still probably really bummed out about it

It shouldn't surprise anyone if smart or brown gets moved this summer - especially given the huge pay increase JB could potentially get, considering something seemed off with this team after the star break and in playoffs, we fell short of our goal this season and we also have a logjam in the back court (and lack of depth in the front court)..

Don't need a lecture on press conferences. I know how things work. Brad Stevens says he loves his core and is going to continue to build around them. The Celtics core is "Smart, Brown, Tatum, Horford, RW3" I would put White in there too. It "would be" a surprise if any of those players are moved.

Not too exciting for trade threads but it is what it is.

You seem to be contradicting yourself here. If you know how press conferences work, then Stevens saying in a press conference that he likes his core should mean basically nothing - for reasons I just mentioned.

He offered JB and white for KD less summer. He nearly flipped Smart to the Hawks last January.

JB and Smart have discussed in potential trades tons of times over the years.

The C's haven't pulled the trigger yet, but for reasons I just mentioned, I wouldn't be surprised if 1 (or both) of them is moved this summer.

You do think it would be a surprise. That's ok - we can agree to disagree