The Pursuit of Paul George

[Green_teamer]

Utah will never take part in a Hayward sign and trade. They are not going to make it easy for the team trying to steal him away. They want to keep Hayward

If he's dead set on leaving the only one they would be hurting is themselves

[Jingles]

If we trade for George and he does leave next season theoretically wouldn't we have Max cap space again?

No, unless you plan on renouncing IT/Smart/Bradley for nothing.

We need to pay IT next year.

Why?

[ConstableGeneva]

If the reports are true that people in George's camp think Boston is a good fit short and long term and are pushing for it, and if he is open to coming here, I say screw it and take the gamble. I can't imagine him leaving after a winning season and go back to a losing one

If my assumptions and math are correct, tax can be avoided for the upcoming season. It's R&E for George at $23.5M in 1st year. S&T for Hayward at max. Eight-man core of IT-Brown-Hayward-George-Horford-Smart-Tatum-Zizic. Add the vets using exceptions then sign 2nd rounders at minimum. 14-man roster using full MLE and BAE is just a smidge below tax line.

Write it up and sign the paperwork.

I'm not even sure if I'm doing it right lol.

There's another option where we can keep the Lakers pick but lose Tatum to the Pacers instead. PG's current salary can be bumped up to $25.7M. Nine-man core of IT-Brown-Hayward-George-Horford-Smart-Rozier-Yabs-Zizic. Still avoiding the tax. The S&T agreement with Utah/LAC is crucial for our flexibility.

[SmartWentCrazy]

Same, I'd rather miss on George and keep Lonzo and Ingram if I were them.

Brandon Ingram's shooting percentages are trash compared to what he did at duke and he still weighs 2 lbs while playing the 3-4 spot. Good luck to him with that. I garuntee next year, the Lakers FO is going to sweat out his progress. If he stays below 30% 3pt and still shoots free throws in the low 60's, they're going to lose all trade value for him. He needs to show some upward growth for them to remain positive about him. Julius Randle isn't highly valued. The Lakers really dont have a lot to offer the Pacers that can trump what the C's have. No one can. If the Pacers think the Lakers have anything of value to give, they'll try and coax it out of them soon enough.

This just shows that you really don't pay attention to Brandon Ingram, and/or the Lakers, and rightfully so - you're a Celtics fan so why would you? Luke Walton himself has made many comments over the past 6 months as to how far ahead he is as a player in comparison to where they thought he'd be at.

He experienced significant growth as a player the second half of the season and at times looked like a game changer defensively (his performance vs Paul George in January comes to mind). Without searching for the exact numbers, over the course of the 2nd half of the season I am nearly positive he was shooting ~50% from the field and 40+% from 3. He plays under control, makes the right pass, plays well off the ball.. he's going to be a very good player.

So, as far as upward growth goes, there is plenty of that. The key will be whether or not he builds off of it given another off-season and another few months of NBA action. Coincidentally, the second half of this coming season will tell a lot about Brandon Ingram.

You should search for them. He shot 27% from 3. Not 40+. Coupled with his FT%, he had a well below average TS%.

He may turn into a great player, but let's not paint a picture that didn't exist. He was not good last year, at all.

[Afam]

Boston Celtics will not trade Jayson Tatum or Jayson for Paul George. I have said, believed before 2013 and since then that you trade established players every time a star player/players are available. However i don't see the Celtics trading Jaylen and Jayson Tatum for Paul George. it doesn't make any sense. They would be trading potential all stars in Jaylen and Jayson for a player that said he wants out from his team, and on the last year of his contract, that could just be a rental.

I like Paul George as a player, and want him on the Celtics, but if the pacers want either Jaylen or Tatum, then the celtics are going to pass on acquiring Paul George.

[Green_teamer]

If my assumptions and math are correct, tax can be avoided for the upcoming season. It's R&E for George at $23.5M in 1st year. S&T for Hayward at max. Eight-man core of IT-Brown-Hayward-George-Horford-Smart-Tatum-Zizic. Add the vets using exceptions then sign 2nd rounders at minimum. 14-man roster using full MLE and BAE is just a smidge below tax line.

Write it up and sign the paperwork.

I'm not even sure if I'm doing it right lol.

There's another option where we can keep the Lakers pick but lose Tatum to the Pacers instead. PG's current salary can be bumped up to $25.7M. Nine-man core of IT-Brown-Hayward-George-Horford-Smart-Rozier-Yabs-Zizic. Still avoiding the tax. The S&T agreement with Utah/LAC is crucial for our flexibility.

I'd much rather keep Tatum than that Lakers pick

[165bows]

If my assumptions and math are correct, tax can be avoided for the upcoming season. It's R&E for George at $23.5M in 1st year. S&T for Hayward at max. Eight-man core of IT-Brown-Hayward-George-Horford-Smart-Tatum-Zizic. Add the vets using exceptions then sign 2nd rounders at minimum. 14-man roster using full MLE and BAE is just a smidge below tax line.

Write it up and sign the paperwork.

I'm not even sure if I'm doing it right lol.

There's another option where we can keep the Lakers pick but lose Tatum to the Pacers instead. PG's current salary can be bumped up to $25.7M. Nine-man core of IT-Brown-Hayward-George-Horford-Smart-Rozier-Yabs-Zizic. Still avoiding the tax. The S&T agreement with Utah/LAC is crucial for our flexibility.

I think for Utah it boils down to whether they keep George Hill. If they lose both guys, it's probably preferable to go the cap space route to replace players unless substantially reimbursed. If they keep, Hill, they probably won't have much space and therefore would benefit by bringing in a player via a sign-and-trade they otherwise wouldn't have access to.

So I'm not sure the whole process would hinge on George Hill's timing but who knows.

[ConstableGeneva]

Boston Celtics will not trade Jayson Tatum or Jayson for Paul George. I have said, believed before 2013 and since then that you trade established players every time a star player/players are available. However i don't see the Celtics trading Jaylen and Jayson Tatum for Paul George. it doesn't make any sense. They would be trading potential all stars in Jaylen and Jayson for a player that said he wants out from his team, and on the last year of his contract, that could just be a rental.

I like Paul George as a player, and want him on the Celtics, but if the pacers want either Jaylen or Tatum, then the celtics are going to pass on acquiring Paul George.

Will you trade Tatum for George if it's NOT a rental? So basically, you get two years of George and Bird Rights so you can sign him to another 5 years after that.

If you're not trading Tatum, the Lakers pick has to go. You can't get Paul George with scraps.

[Afam]

Boston Celtics will not trade Jayson Tatum or Jayson for Paul George. I have said, believed before 2013 and since then that you trade established players every time a star player/players are available. However i don't see the Celtics trading Jaylen and Jayson Tatum for Paul George. it doesn't make any sense. They would be trading potential all stars in Jaylen and Jayson for a player that said he wants out from his team, and on the last year of his contract, that could just be a rental.

I like Paul George as a player, and want him on the Celtics, but if the pacers want either Jaylen or Tatum, then the celtics are going to pass on acquiring Paul George.

Will you trade Tatum for George if it's NOT a rental? So basically, you get two years of George and Bird Rights so you can sign him to another 5 years after that.

If you're not trading George, the Lakers pick has to go. You can't get Paul George with scraps.

Tough, but ultimately yes. Established players over young players anyday. The question is would the celtics do it.

[Celts17Pride]

Ainge isn't trading Tatum or Brown. High potential rookie/young player on a cost control contract for the next 4-5 years. Not happening.

[ConstableGeneva]

Ainge isn't trading Tatum or Brown. High potential rookie/young player on a cost control contract for the next 4-5 years. Not happening.

It's basically Tatum/Brown vs. LAL-SAC pick. Just my assumption if an extension is agreed upon.

[Afam]

I would rather keep Jayson Tatum, and trade the Lakers pick. The Nets pick should be in the top 3 so no need to be greedy. Trade the Lakers pick and get Paul George.

[tombattor]

No, unless you plan on renouncing IT/Smart/Bradley for nothing.

We need to pay IT next year.

Why?

Because he's 5'9"

[Celts17Pride]

Ainge isn't trading Tatum or Brown. High potential rookie/young player on a cost control contract for the next 4-5 years. Not happening.

It's basically Tatum/Brown vs. LAL-SAC pick. Just my assumption if an extension is agreed upon.

Ainge would send out some combination of vets (Bradley, Crowder, Smart, Rozier) and the LAL/SAC pick.

[hickfromfrenchlick]

FUN FACT: When you scramble the letters in Hayward's name, you get ANGRY HARD WOOD. So you can't just go misspell his name and replace the one A with an E!

Spoiler:

I need a new hobby.

When you scramble Jayson Tatum you get..... Jatmu Tyson.... OK .... I stink at this.

I'm not the first to mention it, but Jaunty Atoms is pretty great.

A Mutant's Joy
Jam Nasty Out
A Jam Stunt, Yo

[ConstableGeneva]

FUN FACT: When you scramble the letters in Hayward's name, you get ANGRY HARD WOOD. So you can't just go misspell his name and replace the one A with an E!

Spoiler:

I need a new hobby.

When you scramble Jayson Tatum you get..... Jatmu Tyson.... OK .... I stink at this.

I'm not the first to mention it, but Jaunty Atoms is pretty great.

A Mutant's Joy
Jam Nasty Out
A Jam Stunt, Yo

Nerd.

We should acquire Blink Giraffe and Ogre Plague too!

[hickfromfrenchlick]

When you scramble Jayson Tatum you get..... Jatmu Tyson.... OK .... I stink at this.

I'm not the first to mention it, but Jaunty Atoms is pretty great.

A Mutant's Joy
Jam Nasty Out
A Jam Stunt, Yo

Nerd.

We should acquire Blink Giraffe and Ogre Plague too!

This is for real:

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[OFWGKTA]

I'm not the first to mention it, but Jaunty Atoms is pretty great.

A Mutant's Joy
Jam Nasty Out
A Jam Stunt, Yo

Nerd.

We should acquire Blink Giraffe and Ogre Plague too!

This is for real:

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Tyrell R. Zeel

Tyrell Reelz for the highlights though

[ConstableGeneva]

I'm not the first to mention it, but Jaunty Atoms is pretty great.

A Mutant's Joy
Jam Nasty Out
A Jam Stunt, Yo

Nerd.

We should acquire Blink Giraffe and Ogre Plague too!

This is for real:

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'Cos he's a unicorn. Duh.

[GoCeltics123]

We need to pay IT next year.

Why?

Because he's 5'9"

Alrighty then enjoy starting Marcus Smart, the 32% shooting point guard.

I'm not paying IT the max but the Fultz trade tells me he gets a new contract