Around the NBA (3.0), 2018-19 (Non-Celtics Talk)

[jmr07019]

Wow I'm bad at math

I don't care about the ppg. A lot of players are able to avg 33ppg while shooting 12 threes per game and 26 shots per game.

In a way I agree about ppg. It requires context. There are not a lot of players that can score 36 a game on 61.1 TS%. If there was, others would be doing it, because that is great offense. The Rockets have the 2nd best offense in the NBA, despite a bunch of injuries and Eric Gordon shooting very poorly for the season. Harden is clearly the reason for that.

The fact that he can shoot 29/111 from 3 over 9 games and still score at an average efficiency(55.08 TS%) shows how good he is. The NBA average this year is 55.9 TS%.

I don't like the guy. He is my least favorite player in the NBA. I hate watching him try to game the system on every possession. With that said, his scoring volume on elite efficiency is ridiculous and absolutely worthy of being top 3 in MVP for the regular season.

I don't like his style of play, but it's not even about it.
When I think about James Harden, "efficiency" is not the first word that came to my mind. Shooting that much with poor % is not efficiency to me.

I mean give the same amount of shots to Kyrie, and he will avg 33ppg easily.

And there is also Mike D'Antoni. Just like the Suns with Bell, Nash, Barbosa, Marion etc...the Rockets are shooting a lot of threes. His players have a lot of freedom to shoot the ball whenever and wherever they want. Right now they have 5 guys shooting more than 5 threes/game (almost 6 players, Tucker avg 4.8/game).
They avg 44.7 threes/game, and 42.2 twos/game. It's just crazy, and I don't think that you can win a title like this.

He is probably a very good player...but I would hate to see a guy like him in my team.

Dantonio gets a lot of hate but he was waaaay ahead of the curve and every team in the league copied his chuck 3’s offense

[grindtime22]

I don't like his style of play, but it's not even about it.
When I think about James Harden, "efficiency" is not the first word that came to my mind. Shooting that much with poor % is not efficiency to me.

I mean give the same amount of shots to Kyrie, and he will avg 33ppg easily..

He is still one of the most efficient players in the league despite 36 a game this year. He has been more efficient shooting the ball than Kyrie in all 8 of Kyrie's seasons. The free throw line will always make it hard for Kyrie to match Harden. He can shoot very poorly and still not be inefficient.

Kyrie's ability to be efficient despite a lack of free throws shows how talented he is as well.

[KevinGamble34]

After 10 years in the G league, guy gets his debut.

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[ConstableGeneva]

After 10 years in the G league, guy gets his debut.

Read on Twitter

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Played two regular season games with the Lakers late last season.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/i/ingraan01/gamelog/2018

[3D Chess]

IT out of the rotation in Denver. Feel for him, going to be hard to find a decent deal again this offseason.

[CeltsfanSinceBirth]

So, it's kind of funny how, despite all of the bad stuff going on in Utah right now, some people still find a way to dump Boston's name into the conversation. Like, WTF????? Seriously. I've kept my mouth shut, but reading the thread in the GB, seeing it on twitter, etc, I can't stand it.

[KGtabake]

Sixers fans laughing every time someone mentions that Jokic>Embiid is starting to become a very annoying trend.
This type of arrogance isn't justified.
Joker proved he's 1st team All NBA this season with his MVP race(i'm not saying he's the MVP but he's definitely top3) and with the Nuggets record when all of millsap, harris, IT, Barton were hurt.
I really like Embiid. He's dominant and he's the second best big currently.
The 1st place goes to Jokic. And that's a fact this season no matter if they accept it or not.

[MagicBagley18]

It’s James Dolan so far from gospel, but Dolan is talking like a man who knows he’s getting somine this summer, very reminiscent of magic with Lebron last year. Says “next year we will be in the playoffs and go far” “based on what we’ve heard we think we will be very successful in free agency”

This would be hilarious to see them strike out again

[FlatearthZorro]

Sixers fans laughing every time someone mentions that Jokic>Embiid is starting to become a very annoying trend.
This type of arrogance isn't justified.
Joker proved he's 1st team All NBA this season with his MVP race(i'm not saying he's the MVP but he's definitely top3) and with the Nuggets record when all of millsap, harris, IT, Barton were hurt.
I really like Embiid. He's dominant and he's the second best big currently.
The 1st place goes to Jokic. And that's a fact this season no matter if they accept it or not.

Davis is the best big cause he has everything, skill, defense and athletic ability. Embiid gets tired in 3 quarters tops if you put pressure on him. I dunno how Jokic is cardio-wise, but yea he's definitely more skilled as his athletic ability is pretty much non-existent and he's still owning.

[Gooner]

Sixers fans laughing every time someone mentions that Jokic>Embiid is starting to become a very annoying trend.
This type of arrogance isn't justified.
Joker proved he's 1st team All NBA this season with his MVP race(i'm not saying he's the MVP but he's definitely top3) and with the Nuggets record when all of millsap, harris, IT, Barton were hurt.
I really like Embiid. He's dominant and he's the second best big currently.
The 1st place goes to Jokic. And that's a fact this season no matter if they accept it or not.

Davis is the best big cause he has everything, skill, defense and athletic ability. Embiid gets tired in 3 quarters tops if you put pressure on him. I dunno how Jokic is cardio-wise, but yea he's definitely more skilled as his athletic ability is pretty much non-existent and he's still owning.

Davis lacks something very important, and that's killer instinct.

[FlatearthZorro]

Sixers fans laughing every time someone mentions that Jokic>Embiid is starting to become a very annoying trend.
This type of arrogance isn't justified.
Joker proved he's 1st team All NBA this season with his MVP race(i'm not saying he's the MVP but he's definitely top3) and with the Nuggets record when all of millsap, harris, IT, Barton were hurt.
I really like Embiid. He's dominant and he's the second best big currently.
The 1st place goes to Jokic. And that's a fact this season no matter if they accept it or not.

Davis is the best big cause he has everything, skill, defense and athletic ability. Embiid gets tired in 3 quarters tops if you put pressure on him. I dunno how Jokic is cardio-wise, but yea he's definitely more skilled as his athletic ability is pretty much non-existent and he's still owning.

Davis lacks something very important, and that's killer instinct.

I don't think he does, tbh. I think his teams haven't been close to talented enough to make that assumption. Last year he was unreal, this year he had a fantastic season till the whole fiasco with Klutch, LBJ and Rich Paul. So I don't think it's that. I think he hasn't played on talented teams, yet. Him and Drew isn't much, although they did pretty well alongside Rondo.

[soxfan2003]

In a way I agree about ppg. It requires context. There are not a lot of players that can score 36 a game on 61.1 TS%. If there was, others would be doing it, because that is great offense. The Rockets have the 2nd best offense in the NBA, despite a bunch of injuries and Eric Gordon shooting very poorly for the season. Harden is clearly the reason for that.

The fact that he can shoot 29/111 from 3 over 9 games and still score at an average efficiency(55.08 TS%) shows how good he is. The NBA average this year is 55.9 TS%.

I don't like the guy. He is my least favorite player in the NBA. I hate watching him try to game the system on every possession. With that said, his scoring volume on elite efficiency is ridiculous and absolutely worthy of being top 3 in MVP for the regular season.

I don't like his style of play, but it's not even about it.
When I think about James Harden, "efficiency" is not the first word that came to my mind. Shooting that much with poor % is not efficiency to me.

I mean give the same amount of shots to Kyrie, and he will avg 33ppg easily.

And there is also Mike D'Antoni. Just like the Suns with Bell, Nash, Barbosa, Marion etc...the Rockets are shooting a lot of threes. His players have a lot of freedom to shoot the ball whenever and wherever they want. Right now they have 5 guys shooting more than 5 threes/game (almost 6 players, Tucker avg 4.8/game).
They avg 44.7 threes/game, and 42.2 twos/game. It's just crazy, and I don't think that you can win a title like this.

He is probably a very good player...but I would hate to see a guy like him in my team.

Dantonio gets a lot of hate but he was waaaay ahead of the curve and every team in the league copied his chuck 3’s offense

I think he got ridicule by knowledgeable fans not for his offense but the mediocre defense that came with it.

I am a fan of the efficacy of 3 point shooting and have been since around 1984 but if the 3 point shooting came at the expense of a team that couldn't defend the interior, I just saw it as a somewhat fraudulent team.

What really has changed is the type of bigs needed to guard the interior but even if they don't need to be a Shaq or Duncan stopper right now, I still think teams lose in long run if they can't defend the interior or at least try to make it tough on other great players.

Bulls never had truly great big man defenders but they had such excellent defense at other positions that it made up for it.

D'Antoni was rightfully ridiculed for trying to win with Nash and Amare combination. Just too weak defensively and sooner or later you will face a team very good on both ends and lose.

I actually think D'Antoni has learned from his Phoenix mistakes and is trying to have a team that defends as well. Frankly in terms of pure talent, I sometimes think D'Antoni had the most but since his teams weren't well balanced, it was going to be tough to win against a 2 way team in playoffs.

[CeltsfanSinceBirth]

It’s James Dolan so far from gospel, but Dolan is talking like a man who knows he’s getting somine this summer, very reminiscent of magic with Lebron last year. Says “next year we will be in the playoffs and go far” “based on what we’ve heard we think we will be very successful in free agency”

This would be hilarious to see them strike out again

I'm beginning to think that this whole "KD to the Knicks" is just Durant using New York as leverage. Perhaps he wants the Warriors to get rid of Draymond Green. Perhaps he's using the threat of leaving for the Knicks as a way to scare the Warriors into doing an opt-and-trade with the Celtics. Basketball-wise, even if Durant had Kyrie, Butler, Kawhi, etc coming with him, that team would still have a tough time contending. And business-wise, Durant is making decent money investing in tech companies. How many other opportunities would be available to him out in New York that he couldn't get in San Francisco.

Would be really funny if the Knicks struck out again. Watch Dolan screw his team over when he whines to the media last year that he had promises from the agents of players that they were coming, only to be met by Silver taking away draft picks as punishment for tampering.

[KGtabake]

Sixers fans laughing every time someone mentions that Jokic>Embiid is starting to become a very annoying trend.
This type of arrogance isn't justified.
Joker proved he's 1st team All NBA this season with his MVP race(i'm not saying he's the MVP but he's definitely top3) and with the Nuggets record when all of millsap, harris, IT, Barton were hurt.
I really like Embiid. He's dominant and he's the second best big currently.
The 1st place goes to Jokic. And that's a fact this season no matter if they accept it or not.

Davis is the best big cause he has everything, skill, defense and athletic ability. Embiid gets tired in 3 quarters tops if you put pressure on him. I dunno how Jokic is cardio-wise, but yea he's definitely more skilled as his athletic ability is pretty much non-existent and he's still owning.

AD can't really create his own shot. He needs a guard to be utilized. Same goes for Embiid.
Jokic doesn't need anyone.

[MagicBagley18]

It’s James Dolan so far from gospel, but Dolan is talking like a man who knows he’s getting somine this summer, very reminiscent of magic with Lebron last year. Says “next year we will be in the playoffs and go far” “based on what we’ve heard we think we will be very successful in free agency”

This would be hilarious to see them strike out again

I'm beginning to think that this whole "KD to the Knicks" is just Durant using New York as leverage. Perhaps he wants the Warriors to get rid of Draymond Green. Perhaps he's using the threat of leaving for the Knicks as a way to scare the Warriors into doing an opt-and-trade with the Celtics. Basketball-wise, even if Durant had Kyrie, Butler, Kawhi, etc coming with him, that team would still have a tough time contending. And business-wise, Durant is making decent money investing in tech companies. How many other opportunities would be available to him out in New York that he couldn't get in San Francisco.

Would be really funny if the Knicks struck out again. Watch Dolan screw his team over when he whines to the media last year that he had promises from the agents of players that they were coming, only to be met by Silver taking away draft picks as punishment for tampering.

yea thats a good point. obviously i don't want kyrie to leave but the spot if i was him and teaming with KD to go to is the clippers.

1) steve balmer: you made a great point about the tech companies, if u leave silicon valley what better guy to hob knob with as far as connections then the ceo of microsoft

2) kyrie makes movies, wont hurt to be in hollywood

3) jerry west, KD already has a relationship with him

4)doc, still a good coach

5)way less media scrutiny in LA than NY

6) take the city from lebron and watch him deteriorate on the lakers

[jmr07019]

Dantonio gets a lot of hate but he was waaaay ahead of the curve and every team in the league copied his chuck 3’s offense

I think he got ridicule by knowledgeable fans not for his offense but the mediocre defense that came with it.

I am a fan of the efficacy of 3 point shooting and have been since around 1984 but if the 3 point shooting came at the expense of a team that couldn't defend the interior, I just saw it as a somewhat fraudulent team.

What really has changed is the type of bigs needed to guard the interior but even if they don't need to be a Shaq or Duncan stopper right now, I still think teams lose in long run if they can't defend the interior or at least try to make it tough on other great players.

Bulls never had truly great big man defenders but they had such excellent defense at other positions that it made up for it.

D'Antoni was rightfully ridiculed for trying to win with Nash and Amare combination. Just too weak defensively and sooner or later you will face a team very good on both ends and lose.

I actually think D'Antoni has learned from his Phoenix mistakes and is trying to have a team that defends as well. Frankly in terms of pure talent, I sometimes think D'Antoni had the most but since his teams weren't well balanced, it was going to be tough to win against a 2 way team in playoffs.

I'm sure there were knowledgeable fans making the criticisms you stated however there were plenty of people criticizing his offense and the amount of 3's taken. The 04-05 Suns (7 seconds or less Suns) took 25 3's per game. This year the team in last place in 3 point attempts per game averages 25 3's / game. D'Antonio was a visionary. He saw an area of the game to exploit before anyone else. After D'Antonio exploited this the rest of league followed suit. He gets zero credit for that. I'm not saying he's the best coach in the league or without his flaws but I do think he deserves more credit than he is given.

[mbsnmisc]

It’s James Dolan so far from gospel, but Dolan is talking like a man who knows he’s getting somine this summer, very reminiscent of magic with Lebron last year. Says “next year we will be in the playoffs and go far” “based on what we’ve heard we think we will be very successful in free agency”

This would be hilarious to see them strike out again

I'm beginning to think that this whole "KD to the Knicks" is just Durant using New York as leverage. Perhaps he wants the Warriors to get rid of Draymond Green. Perhaps he's using the threat of leaving for the Knicks as a way to scare the Warriors into doing an opt-and-trade with the Celtics. Basketball-wise, even if Durant had Kyrie, Butler, Kawhi, etc coming with him, that team would still have a tough time contending. And business-wise, Durant is making decent money investing in tech companies. How many other opportunities would be available to him out in New York that he couldn't get in San Francisco.

Would be really funny if the Knicks struck out again. Watch Dolan screw his team over when he whines to the media last year that he had promises from the agents of players that they were coming, only to be met by Silver taking away draft picks as punishment for tampering.

yea thats a good point. obviously i don't want kyrie to leave but the spot if i was him and teaming with KD to go to is the clippers.

1) steve balmer: you made a great point about the tech companies, if u leave silicon valley what better guy to hob knob with as far as connections then the ceo of microsoft

2) kyrie makes movies, wont hurt to be in hollywood

3) jerry west, KD already has a relationship with him

4)doc, still a good coach

5)way less media scrutiny in LA than NY

6) take the city from lebron and watch him deteriorate on the lakers

Your reasoning is sound plus Jerry West knows how to build winners.

[KevinGamble34]

After 10 years in the G league, guy gets his debut.

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Played two regular season games with the Lakers late last season.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/i/ingraan01/gamelog/2018

My bad. Was going off what the announcer said at the end. Who would have thought they could make mistakes!!!!

[ConstableGeneva]

After 10 years in the G league, guy gets his debut.

Read on Twitter

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Played two regular season games with the Lakers late last season.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/i/ingraan01/gamelog/2018

My bad. Was going off what the announcer said at the end. Who would have thought they could make mistakes!!!!

They made a big fuss about it last season on Twitter. Why I remembered.

[CeltsfanSinceBirth]

How is this not a conflict of interest? JFC

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/26244932/right-move-me

"It's impossible to say LeBron played no part in me joining Klutch, simply because he has been Klutch since the beginning," Green said. "He's essentially a founding partner. I've already had a relationship with LeBron for years, so it's always good to be able to do business with family that's going about their business in the right fashion and getting things done. But as far as recruiting me -- no, LeBron didn't recruit me at all."