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Re: Anthony Davis Trade Thread Shimmies to #8 

Post#1661 » by JR Hawks » Fri Jun 14, 2019 2:42 pm

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fallguy wrote:LeBron has definitely slowed down. He can't sustain his defensive effort during the regular season and was regularly flat out terrible on that end. Plus he had the injury. It's the right move for the Lakers to pony up for AD but it's no guarantee with LeBron's age looming as a major factor for that team.


I don’t get why davis would have any interest in la la land. Any success and lebroni will get all the credit. Idk if they all the pieces but the west will be wide open now with the durant and Thompson injuries.


AD is a beta/follower. Which lends itself not only to being influenced by LeBron/Paul but also being influenced by the Celtics organization if he gives it a shot.
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Re: Anthony Davis Trade Thread Shimmies to #8 

Post#1662 » by FlatearthZorro » Fri Jun 14, 2019 2:43 pm

As I said don't be too shocked if this goes on till draft night. It's all posturing. Would be hilarious if a random team jumped in.... Obviously the Pels are trying to fleece us as they know they don't like nothing on that LAL offer, that's if they wanna trade Davis to the Lakers to begin with. Wonder if a 3rd team jumps in. Will be interesting.
Good assessment:

PLO wrote:Tatum played OK - took advantage of a few mismatches - decent on the defensive end. He is what we thought he was going into the season - a technically very proficient player operating close to his career ceiling as a rookie.
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Re: Anthony Davis Trade Thread Shimmies to #8 

Post#1663 » by Ring7Banner18 » Fri Jun 14, 2019 2:44 pm

Haven't seen it noted that the Wizards push to hire Masi Ujiri from Raptors has to have at least a temporary effect of any potential Bradley Beal trade involving AD. No way Wizards move their best asset before getting clarity on their ability to get Masi. I think the Celtics see the situation as it stands for what it is, which is that the Pelicans are in a much tougher position than we are. There's a variety of alternative "exotic scenarios" we can pull the trigger on, and we can go in any direction we want, and let the market dictate the best path. And because Danny has punted on opportunities like this many times before, teams and people like Griffin know it's not just posturing, it's the truth. Conversely, the Pelicans have to trade AD, and with the draft looming, they may have to do it soon. They also have limited options. Do they take the low ball/best standing offer, which is from the Lakers, knowing it's not only not an ideal return, but that they might also have to keep the 4th pick and take a player there which they're not keen to do?

Or, like they've been very transparently trying to do, can they get BOS to up the ante, at least enough to bypass the need to do a trade w/ the Lakers before the draft. That's the dance I see going on. I think Brian Windhorst and others have made it clear that it's that simple. We the fans are just creating this artificial roller coaster of "developments" when in fact we're witnessing the slowest hand of poker ever played, with Ainge the only one who hasn't really shown all of his cards and feels no pressure to. What we don't know, and can only have fun guessing, is what card(s) Ainge needs to put on the table in order to keep the convo going past the draft, if not get a deal done before the draft. Great educated guesses going around here, but no one knows what those card(s) are, including if a "Tatum and not much else" package would even get it done. For all we know Tatum could be on the table and the issue is Griffin is demanding we insert Smart.

Lastly, I think there is a ton of truth to the speculation that Ainge is shopping around for this year's version of a Ray Allen trade. This year and next the league can be as wide open as it's been in some time. One of few realistic exceptions to the forthcoming parity is if AD and Lebron team up and take at least the next two. Only way Ainge punts is if: 1) he can't make the necessary collateral moves to build a contender around AD; or 2) Griffin's demands for AD make a trade untenable.
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Re: Anthony Davis Trade Thread Shimmies to #8 

Post#1664 » by zoyathedestroya » Fri Jun 14, 2019 2:44 pm

denmuscles wrote:What the hell is taking so long. Shows how much “sources” know.

Sometimes the info they gather is weeks or months old. And if our owner and GM are to be believed, most of the rumors getting circulated aren't true at all or are only partially true.

I'd rather believe the board insiders here since at least, their info is fresher.
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Re: Anthony Davis Trade Thread Shimmies to #8 

Post#1665 » by FlatearthZorro » Fri Jun 14, 2019 2:46 pm

JR Hawks wrote:
NYCelticsfan136 wrote:
fallguy wrote:LeBron has definitely slowed down. He can't sustain his defensive effort during the regular season and was regularly flat out terrible on that end. Plus he had the injury. It's the right move for the Lakers to pony up for AD but it's no guarantee with LeBron's age looming as a major factor for that team.


I don’t get why davis would have any interest in la la land. Any success and lebroni will get all the credit. Idk if they all the pieces but the west will be wide open now with the durant and Thompson injuries.


AD is a beta/follower. Which lends itself not only to being influenced by LeBron/Paul but also being influenced by the Celtics organization if he gives it a shot.


That's true. Horford and Hayward could have good influence on AD. I said it many times the difference between AD and KG is the attitude. Garnett was a winner and a true leader. AD is a beta as you put it. No idea why a top 5 player would want to play 2nd fiddle to a 35 year old LBJ. Sad part is that when you consider both ends of the floor, Davis is actually easily better than LBJ right now. 30/12/4/2.5 on .500 from the field and a far superior defender(when playing regular minutes that is he was on restriction cause of the demands)...
Good assessment:

PLO wrote:Tatum played OK - took advantage of a few mismatches - decent on the defensive end. He is what we thought he was going into the season - a technically very proficient player operating close to his career ceiling as a rookie.
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Post#1666 » by FlatearthZorro » Fri Jun 14, 2019 2:47 pm

Ring7Banner18 wrote:Haven't seen it noted that the Wizards push to hire Masi Ujiri from Raptors has to have at least a temporary effect of any potential Bradley Beal trade involving AD. No way Wizards move their best asset before getting clarity on their ability to get Masi. I think the Celtics see the situation as it stands for what it is, which is that the Pelicans are in a much tougher position than we are. There's a variety of alternative "exotic scenarios" we can pull the trigger on, and we can go in any direction we want, and let the market dictate the best path. And because Danny has punted on opportunities like this many times before, teams and people like Griffin know it's not just posturing, it's the truth. Conversely, the Pelicans have to trade AD, and with the draft looming, they may have to do it soon. They also have limited options. Do they take the low ball/best standing offer, which is from the Lakers, knowing it's not only not an ideal return, but that they might also have to keep the 4th pick and take a player there which they're not keen to do?

Or, like they've been very transparently trying to do, can they get BOS to up the ante, at least enough to bypass the need to do a trade w/ the Lakers before the draft. That's the dance I see going on. I think Brian Windhorst and others have made it clear that it's that simple. We the fans are just creating this artificial roller coaster of "developments" when in fact we're witnessing the slowest hand of poker ever played, with Ainge the only one who hasn't really shown all of his cards and feels no pressure to. What we don't know, and can only have fun guessing, is what card(s) Ainge needs to put on the table in order to keep the convo going past the draft, if not get a deal done before the draft. Great educated guesses going around here, but no one knows what those card(s) are, including if a "Tatum and not much else" package would even get it done. For all we know Tatum could be on the table and the issue is Griffin is demanding we insert Smart.

Lastly, I think there is a ton of truth to the speculation that Ainge is shopping around for this year's version of a Ray Allen trade. This year and next the league can be as wide open as it's been in some time. One of few realistic exceptions to the forthcoming parity is if AD and Lebron team up and take at least the next two. Only way Ainge punts is if: 1) he can't make the necessary collateral moves to build a contender around AD; or 2) Griffin's demands for AD make a trade untenable.


Pretty good point. I don't expect the Wizards to trade Beal before they hire a GM.
Good assessment:

PLO wrote:Tatum played OK - took advantage of a few mismatches - decent on the defensive end. He is what we thought he was going into the season - a technically very proficient player operating close to his career ceiling as a rookie.
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Post#1667 » by watsonthedragon » Fri Jun 14, 2019 2:50 pm

I bet we see a rumor right around 2-3pm this afternoon. Something like: "Talks are heating up between NO and Boston/LA. David Griffin wants to get a deal done ASAP so he has time to evaluate his draft options and both front offices feel the NBA is wide open next year".
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Post#1668 » by zoyathedestroya » Fri Jun 14, 2019 2:54 pm

watsonthedragon wrote:I bet we see a rumor right around 2-3pm this afternoon. Something like: "Talks are heating up between NO and Boston/LA. David Griffin wants to get a deal done ASAP so he has time to evaluate his draft options and both front offices feel the NBA is wide open next year".

So nothing new? :D
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Post#1669 » by Feed Your Head » Fri Jun 14, 2019 2:55 pm

I think by tonight things will really start heating up.
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Post#1670 » by zoyathedestroya » Fri Jun 14, 2019 2:57 pm

Read on Twitter

Ouch. That hurt quite a bit.
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Re: Anthony Davis Trade Thread Shimmies to #8 

Post#1671 » by JR Hawks » Fri Jun 14, 2019 2:58 pm

Silver likely gave a gag order for yesterday and today so the Finals could get all the media coverage.
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Re: Anthony Davis Trade Thread Shimmies to #8 

Post#1672 » by ThirtyFour » Fri Jun 14, 2019 2:59 pm

”The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result.”
- Einstein

So basically, by trading for a guy with one year left on his contract and hoping he stays, the Celtics are insane.

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Actually, that is not the definition of insanity at all, yet it’s referenced in the media all the time as fact to make people sound smarter than they are. And, the original quote is not even attributed to Einstein. In fact, it’s unknown who first said it but people always credit him with it.

Really makes my blood boil. :nonono:

What does it all mean?
Kyrie is staying and we’re getting AD without sending Tatum of course!
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Re: Anthony Davis Trade Thread Shimmies to #8 

Post#1673 » by watsonthedragon » Fri Jun 14, 2019 3:01 pm

zoyathedestroya wrote:
watsonthedragon wrote:I bet we see a rumor right around 2-3pm this afternoon. Something like: "Talks are heating up between NO and Boston/LA. David Griffin wants to get a deal done ASAP so he has time to evaluate his draft options and both front offices feel the NBA is wide open next year".

So nothing new? :D


Exactly! Sometimes I wonder how many followers I could get creating a twitter just to report NBA "news and rumors".
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Re: Anthony Davis Trade Thread Shimmies to #8 

Post#1674 » by denmuscles » Fri Jun 14, 2019 3:01 pm

celtics543 wrote:Lakers have to go all in for AD. It's part of having Lebron, you can't build for the future with a 35 year old Lebron. You trade whatever NO wants for AD and then go all in for a couple years until Lebron retires and then rebuild around AD as the face of the franchise.


Who the hell cares what the Lakers have to do bro ?
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Re: Anthony Davis Trade Thread Shimmies to #8 

Post#1675 » by JR Hawks » Fri Jun 14, 2019 3:02 pm

zoyathedestroya wrote:
Read on Twitter

Ouch. That hurt quite a bit.


He's right. Not landing Kawhi was likely the biggest blunder of Ainge's tenure with the Celtics. Sadly, I think it was clearly a mistake at the time. Jaylen Brown and Marcus Smart for one of the best in the game? That's a no-brainer.
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Re: Anthony Davis Trade Thread Shimmies to #8 

Post#1676 » by JR Hawks » Fri Jun 14, 2019 3:04 pm

ThirtyFour wrote:”The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result.”
- Einstein

So basically, by trading for a guy with one year left on his contract and hoping he stays, the Celtics are insane.

Spoiler:
Actually, that is not the definition of insanity at all, yet it’s referenced in the media all the time as fact to make people sound smarter than they are. And, the original quote is not even attributed to Einstein. In fact, it’s unknown who first said it but people always credit him with it.

Really makes my blood boil. :nonono:

What does it all mean?
Kyrie is staying and we’re getting AD without sending Tatum of course!


You do realize the same argument could be made for once again passing on one of the best players in the game (Kawhi)?
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Re: Anthony Davis Trade Thread Shimmies to #8 

Post#1677 » by celtics543 » Fri Jun 14, 2019 3:05 pm

denmuscles wrote:
celtics543 wrote:Lakers have to go all in for AD. It's part of having Lebron, you can't build for the future with a 35 year old Lebron. You trade whatever NO wants for AD and then go all in for a couple years until Lebron retires and then rebuild around AD as the face of the franchise.


Who the hell cares what the Lakers have to do bro ?


Are they not the team we're competing with for AD? I'm saying that the Lakers brass is probably smarter than I am, and I realize that they have to go all in. We aren't getting him without adding Tatum because LA is going to put in everything they possibly can to get this guy.
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Re: Anthony Davis Trade Thread Shimmies to #8 

Post#1678 » by CeltsfaninDC » Fri Jun 14, 2019 3:09 pm

FlatearthZorro wrote:
Ring7Banner18 wrote:Haven't seen it noted that the Wizards push to hire Masi Ujiri from Raptors has to have at least a temporary effect of any potential Bradley Beal trade involving AD. No way Wizards move their best asset before getting clarity on their ability to get Masi. I think the Celtics see the situation as it stands for what it is, which is that the Pelicans are in a much tougher position than we are. There's a variety of alternative "exotic scenarios" we can pull the trigger on, and we can go in any direction we want, and let the market dictate the best path. And because Danny has punted on opportunities like this many times before, teams and people like Griffin know it's not just posturing, it's the truth. Conversely, the Pelicans have to trade AD, and with the draft looming, they may have to do it soon. They also have limited options. Do they take the low ball/best standing offer, which is from the Lakers, knowing it's not only not an ideal return, but that they might also have to keep the 4th pick and take a player there which they're not keen to do?

Or, like they've been very transparently trying to do, can they get BOS to up the ante, at least enough to bypass the need to do a trade w/ the Lakers before the draft. That's the dance I see going on. I think Brian Windhorst and others have made it clear that it's that simple. We the fans are just creating this artificial roller coaster of "developments" when in fact we're witnessing the slowest hand of poker ever played, with Ainge the only one who hasn't really shown all of his cards and feels no pressure to. What we don't know, and can only have fun guessing, is what card(s) Ainge needs to put on the table in order to keep the convo going past the draft, if not get a deal done before the draft. Great educated guesses going around here, but no one knows what those card(s) are, including if a "Tatum and not much else" package would even get it done. For all we know Tatum could be on the table and the issue is Griffin is demanding we insert Smart.

Lastly, I think there is a ton of truth to the speculation that Ainge is shopping around for this year's version of a Ray Allen trade. This year and next the league can be as wide open as it's been in some time. One of few realistic exceptions to the forthcoming parity is if AD and Lebron team up and take at least the next two. Only way Ainge punts is if: 1) he can't make the necessary collateral moves to build a contender around AD; or 2) Griffin's demands for AD make a trade untenable.


Pretty good point. I don't expect the Wizards to trade Beal before they hire a GM.

I checked in with a bunch of WIZ fans over the past few days both on here and IRL. They aren’t letting Beal go for anything short of what we are proposing for AD now. The deals they would want from LAL all include the #4, Kuzma, Ingram and possibly more. Beal is well liked, under contract, the leader of this team and Ernie D is gone (so he can’t screw this up too). LA is not getting Beal to flip for an AD deal, thats a fantasy.
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Re: Anthony Davis Trade Thread Shimmies to #8 

Post#1679 » by batabatuta » Fri Jun 14, 2019 3:09 pm

JR Hawks wrote:
zoyathedestroya wrote:
Read on Twitter

Ouch. That hurt quite a bit.


He's right. Not landing Kawhi was likely the biggest blunder of Ainge's tenure with the Celtics. Sadly, I think it was clearly a mistake at the time. Jaylen Brown and Marcus Smart for one of the best in the game? That's a no-brainer.


It's part of what's probably going to cost him his job down the line. Missing Giannis, Kyrie leaving, missing out on Durant and the big one, Kwahi. It is just too much to ignore.
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Re: Anthony Davis Trade Thread Shimmies to #8 

Post#1680 » by CelticFaninLBC » Fri Jun 14, 2019 3:10 pm

JR Hawks wrote:
zoyathedestroya wrote:
Read on Twitter

Ouch. That hurt quite a bit.


He's right. Not landing Kawhi was likely the biggest blunder of Ainge's tenure with the Celtics. Sadly, I think it was clearly a mistake at the time. Jaylen Brown and Marcus Smart for one of the best in the game? That's a no-brainer.


I dunno. Kyrie probably would have been feuding with Kawhi..

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