Trade Ideas Thread

[bisme37]

Fully agree here. He has all the tools we’d want in a big. He just needs steady PT to grow. IMO, we should be giving him 20+ minutes a night, regardless of how he’s playing, to see if he sinks or swims. His combination of height/athleticism/passing vision is too rare to try to not foster further.

I am all-in on Rob as well. I don't understand why Stevens seems to have such a tiny leash on him - and I am not talking about playoffs where mistakes cost dearly, he had no patience with him even during the season (even though, to be fair, during the season Timelord was not good most of the times).

His height is the only non-fixable issue imo, he's only 6'8". I know his ridiculous athletic ability makes him "play" taller than he really is, but against equally gifted athletic guys like Bam this effect is neutrilized. He needs to add a little muscle to compensate for that. Other than that, I think with PT and hard work he will be able to fix the known holes of his game.

the 7'5" wingspan helps him play bigger as well.

Yeah length, wingspan and athleticism are more important than pure height. You don't play defense or block shots with the top of your head.

[playa-hater]

Spoiler:

My dream, but realistic trade scenarios. So many Trade idea's out there, Biggest offseason I can remember.. so close yet we have to get this right (Ainge and Stevens that is)

Trade with 2 parts..

1st. Trade Marcus Smart for John Collins straight up.. Reasons - Smart is one of our Core defenders and makes our Team defense Go.. He has great spirit and competitiveness. But he is sometimes a walking disaster with his need to go into Curry or Klay mode.. getting J Collins, who is a perfect fit as a modern day 4 or 5 man.. He shoots well, rebounds and plays defense like a savage. He can spot up or Roll or PNRs and won't demand the ball/take it out of Tatum's and Brown's hands. THAT IS SOMETIMES so overlooked when talking about good team chemistry. Smart's value is at it's highest at the moment and Atlanta could use a player of tat caliper.. I am aware Collins has one year left, but resigning him should be a No brainer..

2nd - Trade our beloved but Cursed G Hayward, Romeo Langford and our 30th pick for Myles Turner + J Lamb (salaries close) Why we do it, Indiana gets a local star who may fit in perfectly for them, But with 1 year left, if he doesn't work out, can shed 32 Million of salary. and Young local star Romeo Langford, in case Indiana wants to rebuild young. I threw in the 30th as Indiana may need more incentive (no 1st) and 2nd if necassary.. I am thinking the market may be good IF M Turner goes on the trade block..

For Boston having a starting lineup of:

Kemba PG - J Brown SG - J Tatum SF - J Collins -PF M Turner C.. That line-up has ALL 5 players who can shoot and score and play good-great defense (except Kemba on defense.) But then Boston can use 14 and 26 to add any quality Wing and/or PG

14 - S Bey, Pat Williams, A Nesmith/ or Kira Lewis, R Hampton, Cole Anthony, T Terry, Ty Maxey
and

26 - Paul Reed, D Bane, J Ramsey, J Green, J McDaniels, Theo Maledon, Poku.

2nd Unit - so many combinations, but would have Theis, Grant Williams, J Lamb and any 2 combinations of young talent to rotate with multiple switchable offensive and defensive players..

Conclusions- a very timeline friendly- chemistry and switchable lineup with youth and talent that could compete for years IMO..

any thoughts opinions??

IND fans seem opposed to Turner for Hayward. Which, sure fans. But, even the financials are tough. I went thru it with one of their guys on the T&T board. Basically, your trade as is pushes them to the lux tax once they fill out the roster. So, you say, great dump Leaf or McDermott on us too, or something. But, they still have to replace them with vet mins and now they've lost 3 or 4 useful players for just an expiring, injury risk Hayward. So, it becomes less attractive.

Do we want to be playing 2 bigs consistently as well? Tatum should be playing most of his minutes at the 4 I would think.

the beauty of my proposed lineups are their flexibilty. Tatum can go to the 4 and Collins the 5 easy with certain matchups or go BIG vs other teams like MIL or LAL.

[MagicBagley18]

I don’t necessarily agree that it was just coaching decisions that held timelord back although I am in agreement he should have played more. The reality is that he was hurt all the time and has been- you can’t really rely on him yet.

Combine that with him being out of position and relying on his freakish athleticism for blocks which sometimes got him in foul trouble and that’s why he didn’t play more.

He should most def get an increase in minutes so we can really see what we have and allow him to grow, there’s no doubt about that but he also needs to be available.

[playa-hater]

I don’t necessarily agree that it was just coaching decisions that held timelord back although I am in agreement he should have played more. The reality is that he was hurt all the time and has been- you can’t really rely on him yet.

Combine that with him being out of position and relying on his freakish athleticism for blocks which sometimes got him in foul trouble and that’s why he didn’t play more.

He should most def get an increase in minutes so we can really see what we have and allow him to grow, there’s no doubt about that but he also needs to be available.

the thing that worries me about R Williams is that my faith in him seems to be > than Brad Stevens.. He wasn't always hurt and had games when he showed great signs of play. INCLUDING THESE PLAYOFFS Then Brad inexplicably stopped playing him. I had always hoped when drafting a player like R Williams, Romeo Langford, that they get all the playing time over players that WILL NOT be a part of the team going forward.

examples - Green getting whatever minutes as a backup, was a waste of time. Should have given ALL of those minutes, most of Semi's minutes, and let Romeo get the all imortant game experience and confidence.

as much as Kanter had a positive affect at times, Timelord should have played all backup minutes and given the chance to DEVELOP..

Think about how Spo threw 2 NON DRAFTED ROOKIES into the starting lineup early on (D Robinson and K Nunn) and allowed to to develop and gain unbelievable confidence, he also let Herro basically come off the bench and do whatever he wanted, just be aggressive.

All above things seem to be polar opposite of Stevens and his rookies. I imagine what R William and Romeo could have done given a far greater opportunity and confidence from their coach.

[playa-hater]

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[leper-con]

Time lord needs to learn to move his feet on defense and body up opponents. He also struggled with quicker players playing off them way too much. This is why Theis played before him.

[ddb]

I would rather have Horford back than Turner.

I think you just "lost" the debate with this one. You had some interesting points but this claim shows you're simply biased against Turner for some reason.

Just an overreaction to people overrating Turner. Doesn't change the fact which the stats plainly show, namely Turner is an indifferent defender whose main value is spot-up shooting on low volume. Basically he's a taller version of Semi.

if Semi was 6'11 and was among the league leaders in blocks per game every year he'd be one heck of a player

[ddb]

Time lord needs to learn to move his feet on defense and body up opponents. He also struggled with quicker players playing off them way too much. This is why Theis played before him.

there is no denying Time Lord's talent. He's ridiculously talented. The two issues I have with him are the following:

1. Durability- He hasn't proven that he can stay healthy yet which isn't exactly uncommon for young big men, but still a concern.
2. Trust. I'm sure he's an awesome kid and I obviously don't know him personally. But you can just tell that he's a bit of a scatterbrain. I think focusing is a problem for this kid. I'm concerned that he'll never be trusted enough by the coaching staff and his teammates to be a full-time starter on this team. It's clear as day that the coaching staff & players already trust Grant Williams more than Robert Williams. And Theis was trusted too.

Consensus on Time Lord is that you continue to roll with him for the time being. I absolutely think he can be a spark plug big that you bring off the bench. He had some nice stretches in the playoffs. But for those of you that think he's going to emerge as a FT starter for this team.........don't hold your breath

[GoCeltics123]

I think you just "lost" the debate with this one. You had some interesting points but this claim shows you're simply biased against Turner for some reason.

Just an overreaction to people overrating Turner. Doesn't change the fact which the stats plainly show, namely Turner is an indifferent defender whose main value is spot-up shooting on low volume. Basically he's a taller version of Semi.

if Semi was 6'11 and was among the league leaders in blocks per game every year he'd be one heck of a player

Blocks per game does not mean he is an amazing defender.

Theis' defensive stats are better across the board, as other posters on here have mentioned. Opponents shoot a better percentage vs. Turner, have less turnovers, etc. The only thing Turner did better than Theis was guard Bam better. Even then, you can argue Bam wasn't on the level in that series that he was against us.

And also, Semi at any height is a bad player (I also just can't stand Semi's game though).

[leper-con]

Time lord needs to learn to move his feet on defense and body up opponents. He also struggled with quicker players playing off them way too much. This is why Theis played before him.

there is no denying Time Lord's talent. He's ridiculously talented. The two issues I have with him are the following:

1. Durability- He hasn't proven that he can stay healthy yet which isn't exactly uncommon for young big men, but still a concern.
2. Trust. I'm sure he's an awesome kid and I obviously don't know him personally. But you can just tell that he's a bit of a scatterbrain. I think focusing is a problem for this kid. I'm concerned that he'll never be trusted enough by the coaching staff and his teammates to be a full-time starter on this team. It's clear as day that the coaching staff & players already trust Grant Williams more than Robert Williams. And Theis was trusted too.

Consensus on Time Lord is that you continue to roll with him for the time being. I absolutely think he can be a spark plug big that you bring off the bench. He had some nice stretches in the playoffs. But for those of you that think he's going to emerge as a FT starter for this team.........don't hold your breath

He still overly relies on his athletic gifts and they are tremendous. But he has to learn fundamentals and player positioning. The defense isn't about blocking shots as much as being in the right place and making the right rotation. This is the learning he has to do and why Grant plays before him.

[MagicBagley18]

I don’t necessarily agree that it was just coaching decisions that held timelord back although I am in agreement he should have played more. The reality is that he was hurt all the time and has been- you can’t really rely on him yet.

Combine that with him being out of position and relying on his freakish athleticism for blocks which sometimes got him in foul trouble and that’s why he didn’t play more.

He should most def get an increase in minutes so we can really see what we have and allow him to grow, there’s no doubt about that but he also needs to be available.

the thing that worries me about R Williams is that my faith in him seems to be > than Brad Stevens.. He wasn't always hurt and had games when he showed great signs of play. INCLUDING THESE PLAYOFFS Then Brad inexplicably stopped playing him. I had always hoped when drafting a player like R Williams, Romeo Langford, that they get all the playing time over players that WILL NOT be a part of the team going forward.

examples - Green getting whatever minutes as a backup, was a waste of time. Should have given ALL of those minutes, most of Semi's minutes, and let Romeo get the all imortant game experience and confidence.

as much as Kanter had a positive affect at times, Timelord should have played all backup minutes and given the chance to DEVELOP..

Think about how Spo threw 2 NON DRAFTED ROOKIES into the starting lineup early on (D Robinson and K Nunn) and allowed to to develop and gain unbelievable confidence, he also let Herro basically come off the bench and do whatever he wanted, just be aggressive.

All above things seem to be polar opposite of Stevens and his rookies. I imagine what R William and Romeo could have done given a far greater opportunity and confidence from their coach.

Tyler herro would come off any bench and be aggressive....that’s who he is as a player. He’s incredibly confident and on offense he’s incredibly comfortable in his game. Spo def empowered him but herro is a player that has a swag about him where he always think he’s the best player on the court-even when he’s clearly not. He’s fearless and that’s a trait that makes him special and he would flourish most place including Boston.

Robinson has an incredible elite skill set that mandates he gets minutes on the court- robs skill set closest to this would Be his ability to block shots but it’s negated by him being out of position and or chasing those blocks and committing bad fouls. Alternately if Duncan is having a bad shooting night- u still need to know where he is on the court at all times and he can completely wreck a defense by the attention that’s giving to him.

Lastly rob was a rookie on a team with championship aspirations his rookie year and he was incredibly raw. Rookies who are incredibly raw and who are backs up to a max player in horford whose vital to the teams success and fits the coaches play style more and a guy like Baynes whose incredibly solid and potential starter typically don’t get time.

This year yes he should have played more but again he’s been injured often- theis has proved solid.

[Bleeding Green]

I will pour sugar into Mike Zarren's gas tank if he trades Gordon Hayward, picks, and Robert Williams for Myles Turner. Robert Williams is better than Turner on a per-minute basis, it's just a matter of being able to stay on the floor.

[Feed Your Head]

I don’t think we have to worry about Myles Turner.

[snowman]

I fully expect Timelord to make a huge leap this off season, to the point of challenging Theis for the starter role. If we could start Kemba, Smart, Brown, Tatum, and Timelord, with Hayward, Langford, Saddiq Bey(with the 14th pick), G. Will and Theis, thats a 10 man rotation to go to battle with.

[BRUNiNHO91]

I will pour sugar into Mike Zarren's gas tank if he trades Gordon Hayward, picks, and Robert Williams for Myles Turner. Robert Williams is better than Turner on a per-minute basis, it's just a matter of being able to stay on the floor.

I will provide you with the sugar brother.


Celtics are one piece away.. We have a few smaller rookie contracts and a **** ton of pics to work with. We don't even need an All Star caliber guy. We need somebody solid that can defend at the 4-5..an Ibaka type. Best part of this team was having Hayward, JT and Brown. That is the most elite collection of wings in the game.

[Floody100]

Anyone keen on Ibaka ?

[Feed Your Head]

Anyone keen on Ibaka ?

Not at the money he will get.

[themoneyteam2]

Skeptical they would trade Hayward mostly due to the optics of it but if anyone is gonna be moved it’s him or Smart who are most likely to get traded imo.

I honestly think Celtics have enough talent. They obviously need to upgrade their front court but I feel likethey can find a way to do that (through draft, FA, or small trade) without trading one of their top 5 guys.

[MagicBagley18]

**** ton of picks to work with is such a gross over assessment of our assets......if u combined our picks we maybe move up from 14 to 9 and it’s a **** draft on paper where there’s not a huge difference between the picks.

We have assets in players like brown/smart.....who you’d not move unless you’re getting a star return. Tatums untouchable. Kembas not going anywhere

[playa-hater]

I don’t necessarily agree that it was just coaching decisions that held timelord back although I am in agreement he should have played more. The reality is that he was hurt all the time and has been- you can’t really rely on him yet.

Combine that with him being out of position and relying on his freakish athleticism for blocks which sometimes got him in foul trouble and that’s why he didn’t play more.

He should most def get an increase in minutes so we can really see what we have and allow him to grow, there’s no doubt about that but he also needs to be available.

the thing that worries me about R Williams is that my faith in him seems to be > than Brad Stevens.. He wasn't always hurt and had games when he showed great signs of play. INCLUDING THESE PLAYOFFS Then Brad inexplicably stopped playing him. I had always hoped when drafting a player like R Williams, Romeo Langford, that they get all the playing time over players that WILL NOT be a part of the team going forward.

examples - Green getting whatever minutes as a backup, was a waste of time. Should have given ALL of those minutes, most of Semi's minutes, and let Romeo get the all imortant game experience and confidence.

as much as Kanter had a positive affect at times, Timelord should have played all backup minutes and given the chance to DEVELOP..

Think about how Spo threw 2 NON DRAFTED ROOKIES into the starting lineup early on (D Robinson and K Nunn) and allowed to to develop and gain unbelievable confidence, he also let Herro basically come off the bench and do whatever he wanted, just be aggressive.

All above things seem to be polar opposite of Stevens and his rookies. I imagine what R William and Romeo could have done given a far greater opportunity and confidence from their coach.

Tyler herro would come off any bench and be aggressive....that’s who he is as a player. He’s incredibly confident and on offense he’s incredibly comfortable in his game. Spo def empowered him but herro is a player that has a swag about him where he always think he’s the best player on the court-even when he’s clearly not. He’s fearless and that’s a trait that makes him special and he would flourish most place including Boston.

Robinson has an incredible elite skill set that mandates he gets minutes on the court- robs skill set closest to this would Be his ability to block shots but it’s negated by him being out of position and or chasing those blocks and committing bad fouls. Alternately if Duncan is having a bad shooting night- u still need to know where he is on the court at all times and he can completely wreck a defense by the attention that’s giving to him.

Lastly rob was a rookie on a team with championship aspirations his rookie year and he was incredibly raw. Rookies who are incredibly raw and who are backs up to a max player in horford whose vital to the teams success and fits the coaches play style more and a guy like Baynes whose incredibly solid and potential starter typically don’t get time.

This year yes he should have played more but again he’s been injured often- theis has proved solid.

I get your points on Herro, but mine is different.. Spo decided to start, in the begiiningod the year, 2 Rookies, who haven't proven a single thing (D RoB, K Nunn) over the 13th pick in the draft (Herro) and told an former All-star ( Dragic) to come off the bench in favor of 2 yet to prove anything players, and allowed D Robinson to develop that shooting confidence. Same with Nunn.

Develop a game = giving confidence to a player as well as experience. With Brad it's the other way around..that's all I am saying... looking at Brad's track record with young players ( 20 NON top 6 draft picks) since Brad became coach, NOT a single one has become a quality NBA player yet. (except Rozier)

So at minimum Ainge's drafting with Brad's lack of youth development has killed Boston more than any other reason.