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Re: Official Draft Thread 2015-16 

Post#1681 » by reload141 » Tue Mar 8, 2016 1:28 am

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Celtsfan1980 wrote:I expect they'll try to trade up into the top 10, probably with the Memphis pick as well. If Skal can continue playing well I expect him to go top 10. I'd prefer Poeltl personally, but if not I'll trust Danny knows what he's doing. Definitely should look at a big.


Oooh don't touch that MEM pick; that's our fodder for when the Netz pikz are finally gone, right? (*don't remember the exact protections; want to be wildly optimistic).


Memphis pick protections:
2019: top 8
2020: top 6
2021: unprotected

Gasol will be 34.
Randolph will be long gone.
Connolly may be long gone.

You don't use that pick to move up. If you need to include it as part of a larger trade for a star than fine, but not in a smaller move.


Don't forget the Denver pick!

2016 first round draft pick to Denver
Memphis' 1st round pick to Denver (via Cleveland) protected for selections 1-5 and 15-30 in 2016, 1-5 in 2017 and 1-5 in 2018 and unprotected in 2019 [Cleveland-Memphis, 1/22/2013; Cleveland-Denver, 1/7/2015]

Looks like Denver won't get it this year so they should convey the pick to Denver in 2017 which would mean we would most likely get in 2019 as I can't see Memphis bottoming out to be a bottom 8 worst team in the league even in 3 years...
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Re: Official Draft Thread 2015-16 

Post#1682 » by Gant » Tue Mar 8, 2016 1:43 am

reload141 wrote:I can't see Memphis bottoming out to be a bottom 8 worst team in the league even in 3 years...


That's what a lot of people kept saying about the Brooklyn picks 3 years ago.
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Re: Official Draft Thread 2015-16 

Post#1683 » by Cornbread » Tue Mar 8, 2016 1:46 am

reload141 wrote:
Cornbread wrote:
31to6 wrote:
Oooh don't touch that MEM pick; that's our fodder for when the Netz pikz are finally gone, right? (*don't remember the exact protections; want to be wildly optimistic).


Memphis pick protections:
2019: top 8
2020: top 6
2021: unprotected

Gasol will be 34.
Randolph will be long gone.
Connolly may be long gone.

You don't use that pick to move up. If you need to include it as part of a larger trade for a star than fine, but not in a smaller move.


Don't forget the Denver pick!

2016 first round draft pick to Denver
Memphis' 1st round pick to Denver (via Cleveland) protected for selections 1-5 and 15-30 in 2016, 1-5 in 2017 and 1-5 in 2018 and unprotected in 2019 [Cleveland-Memphis, 1/22/2013; Cleveland-Denver, 1/7/2015]

Looks like Denver won't get it this year so they should convey the pick to Denver in 2017 which would mean we would most likely get in 2019 as I can't see Memphis bottoming out to be a bottom 8 worst team in the league even in 3 years...


I could definitely see Memphis being a bottom 8 team in 2019. Their core will be gone. The don't have much in the way of young talent, and they're giving up next years pick to Denver. There is a very solid chance that is an excellent pick.
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Re: Official Draft Thread 2015-16 

Post#1684 » by reload141 » Tue Mar 8, 2016 1:53 am

Cornbread wrote:
reload141 wrote:
Cornbread wrote:
Memphis pick protections:
2019: top 8
2020: top 6
2021: unprotected

Gasol will be 34.
Randolph will be long gone.
Connolly may be long gone.

You don't use that pick to move up. If you need to include it as part of a larger trade for a star than fine, but not in a smaller move.


Don't forget the Denver pick!

2016 first round draft pick to Denver
Memphis' 1st round pick to Denver (via Cleveland) protected for selections 1-5 and 15-30 in 2016, 1-5 in 2017 and 1-5 in 2018 and unprotected in 2019 [Cleveland-Memphis, 1/22/2013; Cleveland-Denver, 1/7/2015]

Looks like Denver won't get it this year so they should convey the pick to Denver in 2017 which would mean we would most likely get in 2019 as I can't see Memphis bottoming out to be a bottom 8 worst team in the league even in 3 years...


I could definitely see Memphis being a bottom 8 team in 2019. Their core will be gone. The don't have much in the way of young talent, and they're giving up next years pick to Denver. There is a very solid chance that is an excellent pick.


I really hope you are right! Trust me hahaha
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Re: Official Draft Thread 2015-16 

Post#1685 » by 31to6 » Tue Mar 8, 2016 2:23 am

reload141 wrote:
Cornbread wrote:
reload141 wrote:
Don't forget the Denver pick!

2016 first round draft pick to Denver
Memphis' 1st round pick to Denver (via Cleveland) protected for selections 1-5 and 15-30 in 2016, 1-5 in 2017 and 1-5 in 2018 and unprotected in 2019 [Cleveland-Memphis, 1/22/2013; Cleveland-Denver, 1/7/2015]

Looks like Denver won't get it this year so they should convey the pick to Denver in 2017 which would mean we would most likely get in 2019 as I can't see Memphis bottoming out to be a bottom 8 worst team in the league even in 3 years...


I could definitely see Memphis being a bottom 8 team in 2019. Their core will be gone. The don't have much in the way of young talent, and they're giving up next years pick to Denver. There is a very solid chance that is an excellent pick.


I really hope you are right! Trust me hahaha


I love it. Just love it. Parl, fire up that MEM pick 2019 tracker thread right now!

Seriously, what's the solution to our crazy # of picks? Just keep rolling them forward. You'll 'lose' some value on some of them that way but you could perpetually strike it rich - maybe not in our lifetime, but in our kids' or their kids' lifetimes - like an enduring legacy of the Ainge Era.
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Re: Official Draft Thread 2015-16 

Post#1686 » by DaddyCool19 » Tue Mar 8, 2016 1:16 pm

Just read an interview of Pöltl and he said that he is a Celtics fan and would love to land in Boston at some point of his career.
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Re: Official Draft Thread 2015-16 

Post#1687 » by brackdan70 » Tue Mar 8, 2016 1:20 pm

DaddyCool19 wrote:Just read an interview of Pöltl and he said that he is a Celtics fan and would love to land in Boston at some point of his career.


I would rather have 4 or 5 other guys in this draft but Poeltl could be the guy if we are in that 5th or 6th neighborhood.
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Re: Official Draft Thread 2015-16 

Post#1688 » by Froob » Tue Mar 8, 2016 1:20 pm

Cornbread wrote:
31to6 wrote:
Celtsfan1980 wrote:I expect they'll try to trade up into the top 10, probably with the Memphis pick as well. If Skal can continue playing well I expect him to go top 10. I'd prefer Poeltl personally, but if not I'll trust Danny knows what he's doing. Definitely should look at a big.


Oooh don't touch that MEM pick; that's our fodder for when the Netz pikz are finally gone, right? (*don't remember the exact protections; want to be wildly optimistic).


Memphis pick protections:
2019: top 8
2020: top 6
2021: unprotected

Gasol will be 34.
Randolph will be long gone.
Connolly may be long gone.

You don't use that pick to move up. If you need to include it as part of a larger trade for a star than fine, but not in a smaller move.

It'd be funny as hell if that Benzo Green trade nets us a big time player.
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Re: Official Draft Thread 2015-16 

Post#1689 » by Gomes3PC » Tue Mar 8, 2016 5:22 pm

Poeltl IMO is a "safe" pick if we are in the 5/6 range. Frankly, with what we have on the roster today, I believe we should be taking something of a calculated risk. There are times where you can/should go for higher ceiling players even if they have a higher bust rate. We have a lot of nice, solid contributors on this roster. We should look to see if we can find someone who can be a top-3 piece in his prime. Just don't see that with Poeltl. Guys who fit that:

Simmons, Ingram, Dunn, Bender, Brown, Skal, Luwawu

One of those guys will be there for us with the BKN pick. Assuming we keep it, I'd be disappointed if anyone else's name is called.
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Re: Official Draft Thread 2015-16 

Post#1690 » by brackdan70 » Wed Mar 9, 2016 4:11 am

Gomes3PC wrote:Poeltl IMO is a "safe" pick if we are in the 5/6 range. Frankly, with what we have on the roster today, I believe we should be taking something of a calculated risk. There are times where you can/should go for higher ceiling players even if they have a higher bust rate. We have a lot of nice, solid contributors on this roster. We should look to see if we can find someone who can be a top-3 piece in his prime. Just don't see that with Poeltl. Guys who fit that:

Simmons, Ingram, Dunn, Bender, Brown, Skal, Luwawu

One of those guys will be there for us with the BKN pick. Assuming we keep it, I'd be disappointed if anyone else's name is called.


I like Luwawu...he could move up boards pretty fast IMO.
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Re: Official Draft Thread 2015-16 

Post#1691 » by Wes-J » Wed Mar 9, 2016 4:35 am

brackdan70 wrote:
Gomes3PC wrote:Poeltl IMO is a "safe" pick if we are in the 5/6 range. Frankly, with what we have on the roster today, I believe we should be taking something of a calculated risk. There are times where you can/should go for higher ceiling players even if they have a higher bust rate. We have a lot of nice, solid contributors on this roster. We should look to see if we can find someone who can be a top-3 piece in his prime. Just don't see that with Poeltl. Guys who fit that:

Simmons, Ingram, Dunn, Bender, Brown, Skal, Luwawu

One of those guys will be there for us with the BKN pick. Assuming we keep it, I'd be disappointed if anyone else's name is called.


I like Luwawu...he could move up boards pretty fast IMO.


Where are you seeing tape on Luwawu? I don't know anything about him.
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Post#1692 » by Celtsfan1980 » Wed Mar 9, 2016 11:33 am

If Poeltl is drafted whose minutes does he replace? Mickey replaces Zeller and Poeltl replaces Sullinger I'm assuming.
Center:Poeltl, Amir, Mickey
Power Forward:Olynyk, Jerebko, Crowder, Mickey
Or does Poeltl just not get much playing time?
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Post#1693 » by Gomes3PC » Wed Mar 9, 2016 11:57 am

Domantas Sabonis with the Mavs pick is looking better and better. Just so efficient and he does so many little things well offensively. I think he might stick around one more year though and try to showcase he can hit the 3 when Wiltjer leaves. If he doesn't, I'd be all over him after the lotto.
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Re: Official Draft Thread 2015-16 

Post#1694 » by brackdan70 » Wed Mar 9, 2016 1:12 pm

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Gomes3PC wrote:Poeltl IMO is a "safe" pick if we are in the 5/6 range. Frankly, with what we have on the roster today, I believe we should be taking something of a calculated risk. There are times where you can/should go for higher ceiling players even if they have a higher bust rate. We have a lot of nice, solid contributors on this roster. We should look to see if we can find someone who can be a top-3 piece in his prime. Just don't see that with Poeltl. Guys who fit that:

Simmons, Ingram, Dunn, Bender, Brown, Skal, Luwawu

One of those guys will be there for us with the BKN pick. Assuming we keep it, I'd be disappointed if anyone else's name is called.


I like Luwawu...he could move up boards pretty fast IMO.


Where are you seeing tape on Luwawu? I don't know anything about him.


google search and you can come up with a little in addition to the Strengths / Weaknesses on Draftexpress. I don't know much either, but he is performing well for a 20 YO in a decent league.
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Re: Official Draft Thread 2015-16 

Post#1695 » by brackdan70 » Wed Mar 9, 2016 1:18 pm

Celtsfan1980 wrote:If Poeltl is drafted whose minutes does he replace? Mickey replaces Zeller and Poeltl replaces Sullinger I'm assuming.
Center:Poeltl, Amir, Mickey
Power Forward:Olynyk, Jerebko, Crowder, Mickey
Or does Poeltl just not get much playing time?


If he or any big we might draft is ready to play, I would guess Zeller and Jerekbo are out. I think we keep Sully, unless we sign a good free agent big like Horford.

Sully, Amir, Olynyk, Mickey, Poeltl would be you bigs...with some small ball minutes for Crowder at PF.
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Re: Official Draft Thread 2015-16 

Post#1696 » by djFan71 » Wed Mar 9, 2016 8:21 pm

brackdan70 wrote:
Celtsfan1980 wrote:If Poeltl is drafted whose minutes does he replace? Mickey replaces Zeller and Poeltl replaces Sullinger I'm assuming.
Center:Poeltl, Amir, Mickey
Power Forward:Olynyk, Jerebko, Crowder, Mickey
Or does Poeltl just not get much playing time?


If he or any big we might draft is ready to play, I would guess Zeller and Jerekbo are out. I think we keep Sully, unless we sign a good free agent big like Horford.

Sully, Amir, Olynyk, Mickey, Poeltl would be you bigs...with some small ball minutes for Crowder at PF.

Don't forget some small ball minutes for Durant, Simmons or Ingram... :D
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Re: Official Draft Thread 2015-16 

Post#1697 » by Celtic Esquire » Wed Mar 9, 2016 10:42 pm

greenroom31 wrote:**** if Skal keeps playing up to his talent I'd consider taking him with the Brooklyn pick if it ends up in the 5-7 range. He was a preseason top 3 pick.


Skal is growing on me with his recent play, but I can totally see Ainge passing him and drafting yet another guard like Dunn. :banghead:
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Re: Official Draft Thread 2015-16 

Post#1698 » by No-Man » Thu Mar 10, 2016 12:01 am

Gomes3PC wrote:Domantas Sabonis with the Mavs pick is looking better and better. Just so efficient and he does so many little things well offensively. I think he might stick around one more year though and try to showcase he can hit the 3 when Wiltjer leaves. If he doesn't, I'd be all over him after the lotto.


Agreed I was down on him because of his lack of length and shooting, but he is just so smart, and moves so well, plays superhard also.
He might stick around the 4 years, I mean the guy doesnt need the money at all.
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Post#1699 » by Jstock12 » Thu Mar 10, 2016 1:43 pm

Fischella wrote:
Gomes3PC wrote:Domantas Sabonis with the Mavs pick is looking better and better. Just so efficient and he does so many little things well offensively. I think he might stick around one more year though and try to showcase he can hit the 3 when Wiltjer leaves. If he doesn't, I'd be all over him after the lotto.


Agreed I was down on him because of his lack of length and shooting, but he is just so smart, and moves so well, plays superhard also.
He might stick around the 4 years, I mean the guy doesnt need the money at all.


Nice to know you came around on him. His lack of length will bother him in some ways against longer more athletic guys in the NBA, but he just has a lot of things he can do well. He might be a very solid bench piece for a winning team in his prime (in the mold of guys like Boris Diaw who can do a lot of things well even if they aren't masters of any one thing). Or even a starter for a worse team.
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Post#1700 » by MrTwister » Thu Mar 10, 2016 2:04 pm

Wes-J wrote:
brackdan70 wrote:
Gomes3PC wrote:Poeltl IMO is a "safe" pick if we are in the 5/6 range. Frankly, with what we have on the roster today, I believe we should be taking something of a calculated risk. There are times where you can/should go for higher ceiling players even if they have a higher bust rate. We have a lot of nice, solid contributors on this roster. We should look to see if we can find someone who can be a top-3 piece in his prime. Just don't see that with Poeltl. Guys who fit that:

Simmons, Ingram, Dunn, Bender, Brown, Skal, Luwawu

One of those guys will be there for us with the BKN pick. Assuming we keep it, I'd be disappointed if anyone else's name is called.


I like Luwawu...he could move up boards pretty fast IMO.


Where are you seeing tape on Luwawu? I don't know anything about him.

Luwawu has Denver written all over it.Luwawu has same agent as Jokic,played for the same team, they have a history of drafting players from Adriatic league, have good connections there.Amazing size and athleticism for a wing, already a good defender standing 6-7 with 6-11 wingspan(you can find somewhere its even bigger like 7-2, i've seen him live and those are some long arms). He’s a good spot up shooter, a versatile potential 3-and-D player.Improved on offense this season(39% for 3) but still could make strides there and improve on both sides, his TO are high due to high usage, probably wont have as much in lesser role.I expect him to come to USA and workout for teams before draft.Not sure about combine.

Bender kinda makes sense for you guys.Not sure how much you guys like him or know about him and his situation.He has contract but has NBA-outs in pretty much every year of that contract.I still think he might stay one more year overseas, you probably wouldn't mind because you would probably stay competitive, and get him on rookie scale next year.Suns might shy away from him and draft someone more ready to contribute right now because they are desperate to get back to relevancy, and not eager to wait on lottery rookie.But him and Towns frontcourt would be deadly, they would complement each other nicely.Most think of him as some Porzingis-like prospect but beside both being tall,white shooters there is not much similarities in their game.He is though, like Porzingis boom or bust prospect.Bender upside is Draymond Green lite, he is not projecting as go-to 1st option on offense whom you just give the ball let him get you buckets, or volume scorer, but more as jack-of-all-trades forward, a playmaking 4 which all teams kinda search for, so he models his game to Toni Kukoc.He could eventually (when his frame fills out) play C vs backup units giving incredible amount of versatility to your lineups.

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