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Re: Around the NBA Thread 2016-17 

Post#1681 » by 2Mas » Tue Sep 27, 2016 1:24 pm

jmr07019 wrote:
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jmr07019 wrote:Looking at Jabari's stats he's a good scorer but not a good 3 point shooter and a good rebounder for a SF but a poor rebounder for a PF. Can he defend either position well? 2 more years under contract before he is a RFA and somebody is going to throw big money at him (basically same contract situation as Avery but Jabari is RFA).

Bradley to Jabari makes some sense. Bucks get shooting they desperately need and an infusion of defense. We get the player with a higher upside but assuming we start Smart and Jabari instead of Bradley and Amir the team is probably a bit worse.


He's not a great defender or rebounder, could improve, but he's a scorer. Not an athletic one, but a scorer. Milwaukee fans, at least, think he's a future all-star. Only 21, Ainge has tried to trade for him.

I don't think he's on the market, and there'd have to be other reasons for Milwaukee to trade him, other parts of a deal.


The potential is definitely there. Is he going to put in enough work to become a perennial all star? I don't know. If Ainge and company don't want to pay all 3 of Smart, IT and Bradley moving one of the for a front court player makes a ton of sense. Might make more sense to revisit at the draft next year when we know if we are drafting another guard or one of Jackson, Tatum, Giles.


Bradley is a good fit on Milwaukee but they'd never give us Parker for him.

I'll be honest I really think people sleep on Parker. I think he'll make a few ASG's. He was a rookie who tore his acl in mid December. He was only getting 11-5 before the ASB. But After mid Feb he avg'd 19-6-2 on 50-32-77. I think that's more Parker than the under a year removed from ACL surgery parker.

I think he's a real real good player. I think he'll be a 20ppg scorer soon enough. I think this year he goes for the 18-6.5-2. on 47-34%'s. He's not a great shooter, but if he's hitting mid 30's on his 3's, ppl will somewhat respect it & he'll continue to improve.
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Re: Around the NBA Thread 2016-17 

Post#1682 » by Green89 » Tue Sep 27, 2016 3:47 pm

Heat will have a tough time making the playoffs now, without Bosh.
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Post#1683 » by 2Mas » Tue Sep 27, 2016 5:17 pm

Green89 wrote:Heat will have a tough time making the playoffs now, without Bosh.

Dude. Playoffs?!

IMO they're closer to Philly/Brooklyn than an 8th seed. They'll be lucky to finish 32-50. Look at this depth chart

Dragic - T.Johnson
Waiters - Richardson
Winslow - J.Johnson
McRoberts - DWilliams
Whiteside - Haslem

Does anyone know their protections on those picks they owe PHX?
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Post#1684 » by ConstableGeneva » Tue Sep 27, 2016 5:36 pm

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Green89 wrote:Heat will have a tough time making the playoffs now, without Bosh.

Dude. Playoffs?!

IMO they're closer to Philly/Brooklyn than an 8th seed. They'll be lucky to finish 32-50. Look at this depth chart

Dragic - T.Johnson
Waiters - Richardson
Winslow - J.Johnson
McRoberts - DWilliams
Whiteside - Haslem

Does anyone know their protections on those picks they owe PHX?

2017: They keep it.
2018: 8 to 30, it goes to PHX (unprotected following season if not settled).
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Post#1685 » by 2Mas » Tue Sep 27, 2016 7:01 pm

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Green89 wrote:Heat will have a tough time making the playoffs now, without Bosh.

Dude. Playoffs?!

IMO they're closer to Philly/Brooklyn than an 8th seed. They'll be lucky to finish 32-50. Look at this depth chart

Dragic - T.Johnson
Waiters - Richardson
Winslow - J.Johnson
McRoberts - DWilliams
Whiteside - Haslem

Does anyone know their protections on those picks they owe PHX?

2017: They keep it.
2018: 8 to 30, it goes to PHX (unprotected following season if not settled).

Goodlooks.

Yeah so Miami's a threat for our #1 pick. That sucks.
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Post#1686 » by 165bows » Tue Sep 27, 2016 7:18 pm

Kevin Durant: Nothing's Changed Except For My Jersey

Kevin Durant is anticipating a quick adjustment period with the Golden State Warriors.

“I’m going to be who I am, and approach the game like I’ve always done it. Nothing’s changed on my end, except for my jersey,” said Durant.


http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/243439/Kevin-Durant-Nothings-Changed-Except-For-My-Jersey

Underwear tho? Or no?
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Post#1687 » by Andrew McCeltic » Wed Sep 28, 2016 12:45 am

Yeah, Miami always seems to have good luck. They probably come away with Tatum, Jackson or Giles.

I guess one question would be if they'd trade Whiteside. Or Winslow, I guess, if they wanted to reload instead of rebuilding.
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Post#1688 » by SMTBSI » Wed Sep 28, 2016 1:21 am

165bows wrote:Kevin Durant: Nothing's Changed Except For My Jersey

Kevin Durant is anticipating a quick adjustment period with the Golden State Warriors.

“I’m going to be who I am, and approach the game like I’ve always done it. Nothing’s changed on my end, except for my jersey,” said Durant.


http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/243439/Kevin-Durant-Nothings-Changed-Except-For-My-Jersey

Underwear tho? Or no?

Best quote from the comments:

“I don’t want to go out there and play upset with everybody else,” Durant said. “I want to play my game, and enjoy the game of basketball like I’ve always been enjoying it, and everything else will work itself out.”


IggieCC wrote:so basically he doesn't want to deal with frustration and a little adversity on being with a team that almost won a championship but not as good as the 73 win team so he decided to play with the 73 win team so that he can enjoy basketball without being upset on the court because he doesn't want to play upset. what a fierce competitor
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Post#1689 » by Andrew McCeltic » Wed Sep 28, 2016 2:07 am

Yeah it's tough, teams are playing some of the best, most selfless basketball in decades, and Ainge really enabled it by taking three "franchise players" who had struggled solo and putting them on a team that ran over the whole league.

Teams had settled for trying to get two stars, because there were so few, but having three raised the bar. Lebron took it to the next level by leaving a playoff team to join two other stars in free agency. Now Durant is jumping from a 55 win playoff team to a 73 win finalist.

I love the selfless ball that comes with having no egos, but at some point pride and competitiveness have to come back in the picture. Like, he just lost to the Warriors in seven games and thought "Man I can't wait to play with those guys!"
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Post#1690 » by SMTBSI » Wed Sep 28, 2016 4:52 am

Andrew McCeltic wrote:Yeah it's tough, teams are playing some of the best, most selfless basketball in decades, and Ainge really enabled it by taking three "franchise players" who had struggled solo and putting them on a team that ran over the whole league.

I'll maintain to my dying breath that our big three was different, because they were home grown (Pierce), and acquired in trade (KG and Ray). No Free Agents taking discounts to custom-build their own team. And we all know how thrilled KG was with the idea of coming here before we traded for Allen. They weren't planning behind the scenes to team up - it was all Ainge.

Plus, all three were getting past their primes. There was significant skepticism that we'd be able to win it all. Versus the superfriend teams assembling with the "we already won" mindsets.

That being said, I guess I can't really blame Lebron too much for reacting to the environment that was in place, and doing what he had to do to beat us.

It kind of is all our fault.


Andrew McCeltic wrote:I love the selfless ball that comes with having no egos, but at some point pride and competitiveness have to come back in the picture. Like, he just lost to the Warriors in seven games and thought "Man I can't wait to play with those guys!

Yeah. Even if it's only an incremental step in lameness beyond what we've already seen, it just feels like one step too far.

I don't have any ethical issues with Durant's decision. It doesn't make him a bad person, obviously. It's just horribly boring for the NBA. And It makes him not the kind of competitor I'd want on my team.

My... ad hoc beach volleyball team.


Wait... 7' tall, 7'5" wingspan...
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Re: Around the NBA Thread 2016-17 

Post#1691 » by Andrew McCeltic » Wed Sep 28, 2016 6:15 am

I don't blame Ainge for current league dynamics, and I have plenty of respect for our big 3 for two reasons: because, like you said, their team-up happened within the constraints of roster-building and trades, and because they were all vets who'd been on plenty of lotto teams.

But like, how will Durant feel winning a championship by joining a 73 win team with 1 ring already? He won't be a difference maker, he's just an upgrade from Harrison Barnes. Usually guys don't ring-chase until the end of their careers, taking small salaries.

Seems like it would be more satisfying to join a good team and make it great. Even the Clippers are far enough away that he could've made them a contender and gotten all the credit.

I'm not sold on Golden State, either, not only because you're never guaranteed a ring, but because there are failed super-teams- the Lakers with Shaq, Kobe, Payton and Malone; the Rockets with TMac and McGrady; the Rockets with Barkley and Drexler; the Portland teams with crazy depth. You can reach a point with roster building where you have surplus offensive talent, more scoring ability than you can fit into 4 quarters and 5 players and 1 ball- someone gets Boshed, Kevin Love becomes a roleplayer, there are probably bottlenecks inherent in the structural dynamics of the game.
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Post#1692 » by KGboss » Wed Sep 28, 2016 12:59 pm

I think golden state will be good but not 73 wins good and who knows the whole thing could blow up. Maybe 4 stars is too many hands in the kitchen anyway
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Post#1693 » by Fidel Sarcasmo » Wed Sep 28, 2016 3:13 pm

KGboss wrote:I think golden state will be good but not 73 wins good and who knows the whole thing could blow up. Maybe 4 stars is too many hands in the kitchen anyway


I'm hoping this is the case. At one point I was thinking, they'll all trip over each other trying to be too selfless and it'll backfire cause shots need to be taken and everyone will essentially be at the entry door insisting to hold the door open for their teammate, so to speak, while the other one says, "No, I insist, you go through first." and they're both there standing at the door outside. That's the best analogy I could come up with.

Sadly, I think they'll just go on a ridiculous run considering their unworldly talent. They'll probably be the first team to ever win 83 regular season games. There's just overwhelming talent on that team.
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Post#1694 » by 2Mas » Wed Sep 28, 2016 3:21 pm

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Andrew McCeltic wrote:Yeah it's tough, teams are playing some of the best, most selfless basketball in decades, and Ainge really enabled it by taking three "franchise players" who had struggled solo and putting them on a team that ran over the whole league.

I'll maintain to my dying breath that our big three was different, because they were home grown (Pierce), and acquired in trade (KG and Ray). No Free Agents taking discounts to custom-build their own team. And we all know how thrilled KG was with the idea of coming here before we traded for Allen. They weren't planning behind the scenes to team up - it was all Ainge.

Plus, all three were getting past their primes. There was significant skepticism that we'd be able to win it all. Versus the superfriend teams assembling with the "we already won" mindsets.

That being said, I guess I can't really blame Lebron too much for reacting to the environment that was in place, and doing what he had to do to beat us.

It kind of is all our fault.

Thank you Thank you Thank you Thank you.

First - They were 32,31, 30 when they got together. & This was after their 11, 12, 9 seasons. Ray I'm sure they told him they were going to trade him, but he didn't have any say in what was going down. KG - Yes KG knew & agreed, but that was after years of saying don't trade me I wanna be here & win with Minny.

My only devil advocate is that why is wrong that Ainge this thing up his sleeve, but the players can't choose who they want to play with?

I just googled it. Out of 10 ESPN Experts, only 1 of them has us finishing 1st in the east. Including a 5th & 6th predicted finish. We even went into the finals as an underdog for some reason.

Bottom line is that it was way different than Durant (28) joining 73win, b2b mvp steph(28), Klay 26 & Dray green 26, after being up 3-1 & loosing in the WCF. I could never do it just with my ego & personality.

But I feel Cleveland trated LBJ the same way Minny did KG. ALl those years & they rarely put a respectable team around Lebron. I would been fed up too if I was LBJ.
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Post#1695 » by Froob » Wed Sep 28, 2016 5:24 pm

Vegas has us with a better shot at the title than the Clipps. That's nuts, Clipps have argumently the best front court in the league if Blake returns to form and CP3 of course. East/West isn't all that different 4-8 and both Celts and Clipps have to get through Cavs and Dubs. There's noway we have a better shot, c'mon now lol.
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Post#1696 » by Curmudgeon » Wed Sep 28, 2016 5:40 pm

Froob wrote:Vegas has us with a better shot at the title than the Clipps. That's nuts, Clipps have argumently the best front court in the league if Blake returns to form and CP3 of course. East/West isn't all that different 4-8 and both Celts and Clips have to get through Cavs and Dubs. There's noway we have a better shot, c'mon now lol.


Yes, but the Celtics have an easier road to get to the Cavs than the Clips have to get to Golden State. Once you are 8 wins away, anything can happen (e.g. LeBron goes down with an injury). Also the Celtics have far more depth.

IMHO the 51 win projections for the Celtics are a bit optimistic, but so are the projected 46 wins for the Clips, who play a harder schedule.
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Post#1697 » by Banks2Pierce » Wed Sep 28, 2016 5:48 pm

Froob wrote:Vegas has us with a better shot at the title than the Clipps. That's nuts, Clipps have argumently the best front court in the league if Blake returns to form and CP3 of course. East/West isn't all that different 4-8 and both Celts and Clipps have to get through Cavs and Dubs. There's noway we have a better shot, c'mon now lol.


We're almost as good as them and also have the BKN pick and much more splashy trade assets compared to their zero. Vegas has to have that baked into their odds or they could get buried by one trade.
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Post#1698 » by ConstableGeneva » Wed Sep 28, 2016 6:34 pm

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Sorry, but reading quotes like this will take some getting used to. Never did I imagine Wade and Rondo would be on the same team. Such is life in today's NBA I guess.
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Post#1699 » by London2Boston » Wed Sep 28, 2016 9:38 pm

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Sorry, but reading quotes like this will take some getting used to. Never did I imagine Wade and Rondo would be on the same team. Such is life in today's NBA I guess.


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