The 2021-2022 I Wouldn't Trade Brown for Simmons Because He's a Clown Trade Thread

[cl2117]

I'm proclaiming it right now.

If someone offered them a godfather offer, they'd do something sooner, but I think they won't do anything remotely resembling a rebuild until at least 23-24, Jaylen's last season under contract. That's when decisions MUST be made.

Why put off the decision? How much bad, selfish basketball will it take? Trade them now while they have value. Brown to Orlando for Gary Harris and an unprotected first in 2023 would be a good start. That gives you a realistic shot at Victor Wembayama, especially if the Celtics begin the tank now.

Yikes.

[CelticFaninLBC]

I'm proclaiming it right now.

If someone offered them a godfather offer, they'd do something sooner, but I think they won't do anything remotely resembling a rebuild until at least 23-24, Jaylen's last season under contract. That's when decisions MUST be made.

Why put off the decision? How much bad, selfish basketball will it take? Trade them now while they have value. Brown to Orlando for Gary Harris and an unprotected first in 2023 would be a good start. That gives you a realistic shot at Victor Wembayama, especially if the Celtics begin the tank now.

Terrible trade. Orlando's likely pretty decent with Brown, Carter, Isaac, Anthony, Suggs, Wagner, etc. next year.

[fallguy]

I'm proclaiming it right now.

If someone offered them a godfather offer, they'd do something sooner, but I think they won't do anything remotely resembling a rebuild until at least 23-24, Jaylen's last season under contract. That's when decisions MUST be made.

Why put off the decision? How much bad, selfish basketball will it take? Trade them now while they have value. Brown to Orlando for Gary Harris and an unprotected first in 2023 would be a good start. That gives you a realistic shot at Victor Wembayama, especially if the Celtics begin the tank now.

This is nuts even if you don't believe in Brown. Way too much risk in return for one of the few assets you have.

[Curmudgeon]

Meh. I want to trade the assets I have for expiring contracts, prospects and picks. I don't want good players in return unless they are young and unproven. Make the same guesses on young prospects that you do when drafting. Maybe I'd ask Orlando for RJ Hampton in addition to the pick.

The idea isn't to win the trade. The idea is to unload salary.

[cl2117]

Meh. I want to trade the assets I have for expiring contracts, prospects and picks. I don't want good players in return unless they are young and unproven. Make the same guesses on young prospects that you do when drafting. Maybe I'd ask Orlando for RJ Hampton in addition to the pick.

The idea isn't to win the trade. The idea is to unload salary.

Just so I get ahead of the rush, what team's custom jersey should I buy with Tatum's name on the back in that case?

I think I still want to support him even after he leaves us since I couldn't really blame him after such a boneheaded move from our GM. Usually those things are cheaper if you buy it and put the name on the back yourself as opposed to off the rack.

[Larry_Russell]

Again, that’s fine but for me this is where the conversation ends when people (really just Celtics fans tbh because people out of that bubble know better) think Jaylen and dame are even on the same planet as players. Not a knock on Jaylen more of a credit to dame. You should also check dames stats after the 1st 9 games this year because he’s at the same level he always is.

Just can’t talk basketball with anyone who thinks dame and Jaylen were ever on the same plane or will be. No offense. Just different opinions and that’s fine but it’s just dishonest. Look at shot creation, defensive attention, ability to create for others, being a legitimate number 1 option, being all nba, legitimately a top 10 player, a top 5 mvp finish, It’s just not a real comparison.

I am not claiming brown is as good a DAme and has ever been or will ever be.

But oyu have to admit Jaylen isnt a scrub either. We are talking ALL NBA compared to just outside of allnba/allstar

And even though Jaylen may never be as good as Dame, if Dame regresses, then Jaylen can be as good as that regressed version of Dame. Especially when you take into account defense, age, contract.

The jump between all nba tho (5x) and barely making an all star game is huge. The gap between top 10 and top 25 is Grand Canyon esque. Dame is legit a top 10 guy. Jaylen is a really fine player. Made the all star game last year to his credit aided by an incredibly hot start to the year.

If he was a scrub you wouldn’t be able to trade him for Damian lillard but he is the necessary cost of a deal when your talking about building a super team in which case in my hypothetical I was.

Dame was a top 10 guy.

He is dropping.

So is a 15-20 player right now worth trading a 25-30 player who is 20 millio per season cheaper and 5 years younger

[Curmudgeon]

Meh. I want to trade the assets I have for expiring contracts, prospects and picks. I don't want good players in return unless they are young and unproven. Make the same guesses on young prospects that you do when drafting. Maybe I'd ask Orlando for RJ Hampton in addition to the pick.

The idea isn't to win the trade. The idea is to unload salary.

Just so I get ahead of the rush, what team's custom jersey should I buy with Tatum's name on the back in that case?

Houston Rockets or Washington Wizards. I'd prefer the Rockets, since they are in the WC and I'm very high on Usman Garuba.

Tatum and Horford to Houston for John Wall, Jaylen Green, Usman Garuba and a 2022 first round pick (protected 1-15 in 2022 and unprotected in 2023). Wall gets bought out. I'll also throw in Langford if the Rockets want him.

Or, Tatum to the Wizards for Harrell, Bryant, Demi Avdija and a first round pick (unprotected). Let him team up with Beal in Washington.

[bisme37]

Trading a 23 year old All-NBA player with 4.5 years left on his contract is just not something that's going to happen. Would be absolutely franchise crippling and it's not something NBA teams do, like, ever. That's all I wanted to say about that. Carry on.

[Fierce1]

Trading a 23 year old All-NBA player with 4.5 years left on his contract is just not something that's going to happen. Would be absolutely franchise crippling and it's not something NBA teams do, like, ever. That's all I wanted to say about that. Carry on.

So true.

I would've given you two And 1s if it were possible.

[Curmudgeon]

Trading a 23 year old All-NBA player with 4.5 years left on his contract is just not something that's going to happen. Would be absolutely franchise crippling and it's not something NBA teams do, like, ever. That's all I wanted to say about that. Carry on.

Baloney. The Cavs lost the best player in the world for NOTHING three years ago and as of today they have a much better record than the Celtics.

[Feed Your Head]

Trading a 23 year old All-NBA player with 4.5 years left on his contract is just not something that's going to happen. Would be absolutely franchise crippling and it's not something NBA teams do, like, ever. That's all I wanted to say about that. Carry on.

Not worth it, man. It’s not real life logic, ironically…it’s nba 2k mentality.

[MagicBagley18]

I am not claiming brown is as good a DAme and has ever been or will ever be.

But oyu have to admit Jaylen isnt a scrub either. We are talking ALL NBA compared to just outside of allnba/allstar

And even though Jaylen may never be as good as Dame, if Dame regresses, then Jaylen can be as good as that regressed version of Dame. Especially when you take into account defense, age, contract.

The jump between all nba tho (5x) and barely making an all star game is huge. The gap between top 10 and top 25 is Grand Canyon esque. Dame is legit a top 10 guy. Jaylen is a really fine player. Made the all star game last year to his credit aided by an incredibly hot start to the year.

If he was a scrub you wouldn’t be able to trade him for Damian lillard but he is the necessary cost of a deal when your talking about building a super team in which case in my hypothetical I was.

Dame was a top 10 guy.

He is dropping.

So is a 15-20 player right now worth trading a 25-30 player who is 20 millio per season cheaper and 5 years younger

Edit ; I misread your post but also slightly answered it already - dame likely ends up all nba to end the year imo and yes it’s still worth it when trading for him almost instantly boosts your odds at beal even more. Plus he’s better than brown now and likely the future.

[La Flame]

Meh. I want to trade the assets I have for expiring contracts, prospects and picks. I don't want good players in return unless they are young and unproven. Make the same guesses on young prospects that you do when drafting. Maybe I'd ask Orlando for RJ Hampton in addition to the pick.

The idea isn't to win the trade. The idea is to unload salary.

Just so I get ahead of the rush, what team's custom jersey should I buy with Tatum's name on the back in that case?

Houston Rockets or Washington Wizards. I'd prefer the Rockets, since they are in the WC and I'm very high on Usman Garuba.

Tatum and Horford to Houston for John Wall, Jaylen Green, Usman Garuba and a 2022 first round pick (protected 1-15 in 2022 and unprotected in 2023). Wall gets bought out. I'll also throw in Langford if the Rockets want him.

Or, Tatum to the Wizards for Harrell, Bryant, Demi Avdija and a first round pick (unprotected). Let him team up with Beal in Washington.

Uff those are some awful trades for us. Tatum is worth more than both these offers combined

[CelticFaninLBC]

Just so I get ahead of the rush, what team's custom jersey should I buy with Tatum's name on the back in that case?

Houston Rockets or Washington Wizards. I'd prefer the Rockets, since they are in the WC and I'm very high on Usman Garuba.

Tatum and Horford to Houston for John Wall, Jaylen Green, Usman Garuba and a 2022 first round pick (protected 1-15 in 2022 and unprotected in 2023). Wall gets bought out. I'll also throw in Langford if the Rockets want him.

Or, Tatum to the Wizards for Harrell, Bryant, Demi Avdija and a first round pick (unprotected). Let him team up with Beal in Washington.

Uff those are some awful trades for us. Tatum is worth more than both these offers combined

This is a guy who wanted Bender in the 2016 draft and Ntilikina in 2017.

[Celts17Pride]

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Schroder?

Schroder to the Knicks for Knox and a late 1st?

[moonie_mcgee]

The problem is we don't have a big dog leading the team. We need a KG type player. His gravitas, competitiveness and skill set immediately turned around the teams static culture. Neither Tatum or Brown are remotely like KG. Get that guy and don't do anything stupid. We have the chits to do it now. Who are 5 to 10 guys that's fit that description?

[moonie_mcgee]

Keep as much as you can roster wise but get that alpha dog on the roster. Tatum is not that guy. He's great but he's not a natural leader. Not even remotely. Id like to use the youngsters to get that guy if possible as in 08 but id use Brown if necessary too. And I'd do it asap.

[Curmudgeon]

back to .500.

[Floody100]

The problem is we don't have a big dog leading the team. We need a KG type player. His gravitas, competitiveness and skill set immediately turned around the teams static culture. Neither Tatum or Brown are remotely like KG. Get that guy and don't do anything stupid. We have the chits to do it now. Who are 5 to 10 guys that's fit that description?

No one’s like KG ..

[keevsnick1]

The jump between all nba tho (5x) and barely making an all star game is huge. The gap between top 10 and top 25 is Grand Canyon esque. Dame is legit a top 10 guy. Jaylen is a really fine player. Made the all star game last year to his credit aided by an incredibly hot start to the year.

If he was a scrub you wouldn’t be able to trade him for Damian lillard but he is the necessary cost of a deal when your talking about building a super team in which case in my hypothetical I was.

Dame was a top 10 guy.

He is dropping.

So is a 15-20 player right now worth trading a 25-30 player who is 20 millio per season cheaper and 5 years younger

Edit ; I misread your post but also slightly answered it already - dame likely ends up all nba to end the year imo and yes it’s still worth it when trading for him almost instantly boosts your odds at beal even more. Plus he’s better than brown now and likely the future.

Putting aside what each of us thinks about the above the relative value of Brown and Lillard, if they wouldn't trade Brown for Harden they aren't doing it for Lillard.