Trade/Free Agency Thread, part Ocho, 2023-24

[cloverleaf]

Its interesting that the majority of the people that want to give away Brown and Brogdon lost their **** when the Celtics traded Smart and to a much lesser extent Grant Williams.

Celtics aren't Portland in terms of a destination but they aren't good enough of one where they can be picky if they have a 2nd team All NBA guy on the roster. They have to overpay to keep talent like that because talent like that won't come here willingly. Guys like Marcus or Grant will come here all the time. Grit and Grind does not win titles. Stars do. Just the way it is.

Do you understand how the All-NBA team is named?

And still really think it should guide a team on how it builds its roster and decides to commit $300 million to a player?!?

[Larry_Russell]

Brown wouldnt have been an all NBA last year if everyone was healthy.


What are legitimately the options out there that Brown could be traded for?

Dame
Trae Young
Ingram
Paul George
Siakam
OG+
Houston for Green, Future Picks, +++

What else is out there?

[cloverleaf]

Brown wouldnt have been an all NBA last year if everyone was healthy.


What are legitimately the options out there that Brown could be traded for?

Dame
Trae Young
Ingram
Paul George
Siakam
OG+
Houston for Green, Future Picks, +++

What else is out there?

I don't know whether KAT should be added to that list...

[BK_2020]

Brown wouldnt have been an all NBA last year if everyone was healthy.


What are legitimately the options out there that Brown could be traded for?

Dame
Trae Young
Ingram
Paul George
Siakam
OG+
Houston for Green, Future Picks, +++

What else is out there?

I don't know whether KAT should be added to that list...

KAT - Porzingis - Tatum front court would be pretty hilarious. Maybe play Tatum at 2 and roll out White - Tatum - KAT - Porzingis - Horford.

[steefP2]

Brown wouldnt have been an all NBA last year if everyone was healthy.


What are legitimately the options out there that Brown could be traded for?

Dame
Trae Young
Ingram
Paul George
Siakam
OG+
Houston for Green, Future Picks, +++

What else is out there?

I don't know whether KAT should be added to that list...

Remove trae, add kat. Unsure about ingram. And this all hinges on back room talk that Jaylen would extend after being traded

[steefP2]

But also if willing to extend; Jaylen would fetch smth around a Donovan Mitchell haul from multiple teams imo. Jaylen might only be somewhere in the 20-30 range of best player but he’s an all star wing that can play and defend the 2 and 3. Theres only 5 guys like that in the league that are in their prime or pre prime. Scarcity alone makes him valuable. Which is also why I’m not as pessimistic on his trade value on a supermax.

half the teams in the league don’t have a real starting caliber wing. They’re usually forced to play 3 guards like Dallas will do for example. Bruce brown is probably gonna start for the pacers at the 3 and he’s 6-4 lol.

[steefP2]

You could easily trade Jaylen to the Knicks in 2 years imo when they miss on all the real superstars who might move, just as an example.

[Hal14]

Brown wouldnt have been an all NBA last year if everyone was healthy.


What are legitimately the options out there that Brown could be traded for?

Dame
Trae Young
Ingram
Paul George
Siakam
OG+
Houston for Green, Future Picks, +++

What else is out there?

I don't know whether KAT should be added to that list...

Remove trae, add kat. Unsure about ingram. And this all hinges on back room talk that Jaylen would extend after being traded

I would think Zion could be added to the list. Rumor has it, Pelicans would prefer to deal Zion and keep Ingram.

Just not sure if the Celtics would do that (JB for Zion) given Zion's issues with his weight and injuries. But if healthy, Zion is definitely a better player than JB, has higher ceiling (potential to be a top 10 player in the league), Zion could be a good fit next to Porzingis in the front court and Zion has improved at creating for others over the past couple of years..

The other option is just penciling in Porzingis as the #2 guy (since he makes $30mil a year, it'll be hard to build a well balanced, deep team with 3 stars taking up 70% or more of the cap) and instead trade JB for 2 players - one, who would be the 3rd star (someone who complements Porzingis and Tatum well) and the other would be a depth piece (someone who would just be a role player off the bench but would be a decent player, give us more depth..)

That's how I arrived at my Bridges + Finney-Smith idea last night - which got shut down, but perhaps that same idea could work but with a different trading partner..

[chrisab123]

Its interesting that the majority of the people that want to give away Brown and Brogdon lost their **** when the Celtics traded Smart and to a much lesser extent Grant Williams.

Celtics aren't Portland in terms of a destination but they aren't good enough of one where they can be picky if they have a 2nd team All NBA guy on the roster. They have to overpay to keep talent like that because talent like that won't come here willingly. Guys like Marcus or Grant will come here all the time. Grit and Grind does not win titles. Stars do. Just the way it is.

Do you understand how the All-NBA team is named?

And still really think it should guide a team on how it builds its roster and decides to commit $300 million to a player?!?

I understand that a star is a star and role players are role players. Regardless of how they are named there is validity in it.

[chrisab123]

Its interesting that the majority of the people that want to give away Brown and Brogdon lost their **** when the Celtics traded Smart and to a much lesser extent Grant Williams.

Celtics aren't Portland in terms of a destination but they aren't good enough of one where they can be picky if they have a 2nd team All NBA guy on the roster. They have to overpay to keep talent like that because talent like that won't come here willingly. Guys like Marcus or Grant will come here all the time. Grit and Grind does not win titles. Stars do. Just the way it is.

He's a participation award All-NBA though.

Now if I say that Marcus Smarts DPOY award was one of the weakest in recent memory watch heads explode.

[Larry_Russell]

Is Tyus Jones gettable?

31.5% assist rate last season, good shooter, plays HARD.

As a starter averaged 16.5ppg, 4rpg, 8.1apg, 1.8spg with only 1.5 tuyrnovers
Also 49.7% FG
41.2% 3pt on 4.8 attempts


Would be an ideal starter if Brown gets moved (maybe even if not)


Maybe something like

Brown to Atlanta
Pritchard and Kornet to Washington

Jones, Okongwu, Bogdanovic and picks from Atlanta to Boston?

Jones/Brogdon/Banton
White/Bogdanovic/.....
Tatum/Walsh/Hauser
Porzingas/Horford/Brisset
Timelord/Okongwu/...

[chrisab123]

I don't know whether KAT should be added to that list...

Remove trae, add kat. Unsure about ingram. And this all hinges on back room talk that Jaylen would extend after being traded

I would think Zion could be added to the list. Rumor has it, Pelicans would prefer to deal Zion and keep Ingram.

Just not sure if the Celtics would do that (JB for Zion) given Zion's issues with his weight and injuries. But if healthy, Zion is definitely a better player than JB, has higher ceiling (potential to be a top 10 player in the league), Zion could be a good fit next to Porzingis in the front court and Zion has improved at creating for others over the past couple of years..

The other option is just penciling in Porzingis as the #2 guy (since he makes $30mil a year, it'll be hard to build a well balanced, deep team with 3 stars taking up 70% or more of the cap) and instead trade JB for 2 players - one, who would be the 3rd star (someone who complements Porzingis and Tatum well) and the other would be a depth piece (someone who would just be a role player off the bench but would be a decent player, give us more depth..)

That's how I arrived at my Bridges + Finney-Smith idea last night - which got shut down, but perhaps that same idea could work but with a different trading partner..

Zion is an absolute trainwreck. Yes sure if he wasn't eating his way out of the league and could stay healthy then yes he would be better than Brown. Right now he's not on Browns level because of those two things. Would I trade Brown for him? Probably not. For those two reasons. With him it has zero to do with talent. You can't look over the other issues.

[BK_2020]

Its interesting that the majority of the people that want to give away Brown and Brogdon lost their **** when the Celtics traded Smart and to a much lesser extent Grant Williams.

Celtics aren't Portland in terms of a destination but they aren't good enough of one where they can be picky if they have a 2nd team All NBA guy on the roster. They have to overpay to keep talent like that because talent like that won't come here willingly. Guys like Marcus or Grant will come here all the time. Grit and Grind does not win titles. Stars do. Just the way it is.

Do you understand how the All-NBA team is named?

And still really think it should guide a team on how it builds its roster and decides to commit $300 million to a player?!?

I understand that a star is a star and role players are role players. Regardless of how they are named there is validity in it.

Sabonis (1 All-NBA and 3 AS), Siakam (2 All-NBA and 1 AS), Randle (2 All-NBA and 2 AS) all have more accolades than Jaylen Brown and none of them are getting the supermax. Siakam and Randle didn't even sign for the 30% max. Making one All-NBA doesn't necessarily mean you are a superstar deserving of 35% max money.

[darrendaye]

Yes, this tweet is over a year old. Yes, signing him probably not likely unless Pritchard is traded and a path to a rotation spot is there. But, if they want to recover some of the defensive impact lost with Marcus leaving, he is probably the one guy you could say they'd get him if they want him.

Read on Twitter

[Triple7]

Do you understand how the All-NBA team is named?

And still really think it should guide a team on how it builds its roster and decides to commit $300 million to a player?!?

I understand that a star is a star and role players are role players. Regardless of how they are named there is validity in it.

Sabonis (1 All-NBA and 3 AS), Siakam (2 All-NBA and 1 AS), Randle (2 All-NBA and 2 AS) all have more accolades than Jaylen Brown and none of them are getting the supermax. Siakam and Randle didn't even sign for the 30% max. Making one All-NBA doesn't necessarily mean you are a superstar deserving of 35% max money.

300M to a guy that can’t dribble left, and has tunnel vision. Also doesn’t really fit with your main guy. This should be a no brainer. Smh

[chrisab123]

Do you understand how the All-NBA team is named?

And still really think it should guide a team on how it builds its roster and decides to commit $300 million to a player?!?

I understand that a star is a star and role players are role players. Regardless of how they are named there is validity in it.

Sabonis (1 All-NBA and 3 AS), Siakam (2 All-NBA and 1 AS), Randle (2 All-NBA and 2 AS) all have more accolades than Jaylen Brown and none of them are getting the supermax. Siakam and Randle didn't even sign for the 30% max. Making one All-NBA doesn't necessarily mean you are a superstar deserving of 35% max money.

Brown is better than Randle. Should they sign Brown to the supermax? They don't have a choice if they want to stay competitive. Its a lot easier to replace role players than stars. Unless the Celtics relocate the franchise its a 2nd tier destination. The biggest FAs in team history is Gordon Hayward and Al Horford. Good players but lets be real if Tatum was on the market he wouldn't be going to Boston as a FA. Thats why when a team like Boston drafts someone they have no choice but to keep them. If Wyc can keep writing the checks then its fine.

Not to mention its not going to matter next year when Brown asks out anyways.

[Hal14]

Yes, this tweet is over a year old. Yes, signing him probably not likely unless Pritchard is traded and a path to a rotation spot is there. But, if they want to recover some of the defensive impact lost with Marcus leaving, he is probably the one guy you could say they'd get him if they want him.

Read on Twitter

Who is he? I see 10 players mentioned in that tweet. Which one are you talking about?

[BK_2020]

I understand that a star is a star and role players are role players. Regardless of how they are named there is validity in it.

Sabonis (1 All-NBA and 3 AS), Siakam (2 All-NBA and 1 AS), Randle (2 All-NBA and 2 AS) all have more accolades than Jaylen Brown and none of them are getting the supermax. Siakam and Randle didn't even sign for the 30% max. Making one All-NBA doesn't necessarily mean you are a superstar deserving of 35% max money.

Brown is better than Randle. Should they sign Brown to the supermax? They don't have a choice if they want to stay competitive. Its a lot easier to replace role players than stars. Unless the Celtics relocate the franchise its a 2nd tier destination. The biggest FAs in team history is Gordon Hayward and Al Horford. Good players but lets be real if Tatum was on the market he wouldn't be going to Boston as a FA. Thats why when a team like Boston drafts someone they have no choice but to keep them. If Wyc can keep writing the checks then its fine.

Not to mention its not going to matter next year when Brown asks out anyways.

Explain how Brown is better than Randle. What does he do meaningfully better? Here are the stat lines for two.

26.6 - 6.9 - 3.5 on .581 TS%, 2.9 TOV
25.1 - 10.0 - 4.1 on .581 TS%, 2.8 TOV

[chrisab123]

I understand that a star is a star and role players are role players. Regardless of how they are named there is validity in it.

Sabonis (1 All-NBA and 3 AS), Siakam (2 All-NBA and 1 AS), Randle (2 All-NBA and 2 AS) all have more accolades than Jaylen Brown and none of them are getting the supermax. Siakam and Randle didn't even sign for the 30% max. Making one All-NBA doesn't necessarily mean you are a superstar deserving of 35% max money.

300M to a guy that can’t dribble left, and has tunnel vision. Also doesn’t really fit with your main guy. This should be a no brainer. Smh

Again...

Who realistically replaces him as the 2nd guy? The Celtics don't play in LA or Miami. They are not a draw for guys like Dame who would be a great 2nd guy for this team. You need to be realistic on who you'd trade him for. Every single trade on here has the Celtics getting the worst of the deal when they're giving up the best player because posters don't want to pay Brown the super max. He's not worth 300 million, but Boston is a market where if you want someone to stay on at least for a year or 2 you're going to have to pay a little extra. He has a good year next year he will ask out anyways. At least you then have salary going out that a team will have to match with another star player.

[BK_2020]

Sabonis (1 All-NBA and 3 AS), Siakam (2 All-NBA and 1 AS), Randle (2 All-NBA and 2 AS) all have more accolades than Jaylen Brown and none of them are getting the supermax. Siakam and Randle didn't even sign for the 30% max. Making one All-NBA doesn't necessarily mean you are a superstar deserving of 35% max money.

300M to a guy that can’t dribble left, and has tunnel vision. Also doesn’t really fit with your main guy. This should be a no brainer. Smh

Again...

Who realistically replaces him as the 2nd guy? The Celtics don't play in LA or Miami. They are not a draw for guys like Dame who would be a great 2nd guy for this team. You need to be realistic on who you'd trade him for. Every single trade on here has the Celtics getting the worst of the deal when they're giving up the best player because posters don't want to pay Brown the super max. He's not worth 300 million, but Boston is a market where if you want someone to stay on at least for a year or 2 you're going to have to pay a little extra. He has a good year next year he will ask out anyways. At least you then have salary going out that a team will have to match with another star player.

I don't understand this mindset. Boston was the first team to put together a true super team, getting not one but two HoFers in the same offseason. Then after an extremely short mini-rebuild three max contract free agents signed with Boston in 3 seasons. I dont think I can name 5 teams that have been as successful in the free agency market or trades for superstars.