Official BKN-DAL-MIN pick watch Thread 2015-16 season

mloyko · Post #1701 » by **mloyko** » Sun Dec 27, 2015 2:33 pm

The good thing for the Nets pick is that all of the bad Western Conference teams are in the same division so they have so many head to head games that some of them will pile up wins. Portland, Denver, Minnesota, Utah.. and Sac, LAL, Phoenix.. that's a lot of guaranteed wins. It's a big reason why Denver and Portland have a pretty big lead over the Nets right now.

Homerclease · Post #1702 » by **Homerclease** » Sun Dec 27, 2015 2:39 pm

ParticleMan wrote:Dallas's pick is also protected if it's 15 or higher. we only get it if it's 8-14. i thought we had a good chance at that but the WC picked a **** year to get sucky all of a sudden.

as of now we only have our pick and BKN's. hold the lobster boat just yet.

It's give and take really, it doesn't look like Dallas is going to drop out of the playoffs anytime soon but on the other hand, Minnesota has a real shot to sneak in this season. Maybe this year the celtics can do a 3 for 1 swap and get back into the top 10 picks, if not, the red claws are going to be looking pretty good

mbsnmisc · Post #1703 » by **mbsnmisc** » Sun Dec 27, 2015 3:51 pm

Chris4Vikes wrote:
Pacino62 wrote:
jmr07019 wrote:Nets lost to Wiz. Pels beat the rockets and the C's won on the road. Great night for us

Based on the MRI of Bledsoe, might be a team out there set to leapfrog the Nets. Would suck for the Suns to jump into the bottom 5 discussion

Early indications are that Bledsoe does not have a torn ACL, but no-one knows for sure until MRI is done.

I think it's a 6 team race to the bottom. Sixers, Lakers, Nets, Nuggets, Wolves, Bucks. I just think that the Suns, Blazers, and NO are too good at the end of the day to finish with a bottom 5-6 record. I am assuming that Bledsoe is not out for a long period.

I disagree on the Nuggets and Wolves. They have a decent mix of young talent and veteran leadership. Mudiay will improve as the season continues, and Towns and Wiggins are just two good to be a bottom 5 team.

My sneaky tank team is the Bucks. They have been terrible since the Knight trade, and Kidd missing the rest of he season is ( Trump voice ) UUGE. If they could add a Dunn or trade the pick for a competent point they would be on a nice trajectory.

Post #1704 » by **Slartibartfast** » Sun Dec 27, 2015 4:12 pm

Antetogumbo wrote:What pics does boston have in 2016 nba draft?

All of them.

Homerclease · Post #1705 » by **Homerclease** » Sun Dec 27, 2015 4:30 pm

mbsnmisc wrote:
Chris4Vikes wrote:
Pacino62 wrote:
Based on the MRI of Bledsoe, might be a team out there set to leapfrog the Nets. Would suck for the Suns to jump into the bottom 5 discussion

Early indications are that Bledsoe does not have a torn ACL, but no-one knows for sure until MRI is done.

I think it's a 6 team race to the bottom. Sixers, Lakers, Nets, Nuggets, Wolves, Bucks. I just think that the Suns, Blazers, and NO are too good at the end of the day to finish with a bottom 5-6 record. I am assuming that Bledsoe is not out for a long period.

I disagree on the Nuggets and Wolves. They have a decent mix of young talent and veteran leadership. Mudiay will improve as the season continues, and Towns and Wiggins are just two good to be a bottom 5 team.

My sneaky tank team is the Bucks. They have been terrible since the Knight trade, and Kidd missing the rest of he season is ( Trump voice ) UUGE. If they could add a Dunn or trade the pick for a competent point they would be on a nice trajectory.

What a horrible horrible trade for them. Knight was great for them and outside of Middleton they have zero shooting, then they doubled down on it by signing Monroe when they already had spacing issues! From a pure talent standpoint I think they beat out the nets in terms of wins though. The nets have Thad and that's it, even Lopez has been a scrub for them this year.

Cornbread · Post #1706 » by **Cornbread** » Sun Dec 27, 2015 6:00 pm

Homerclease wrote:
mbsnmisc wrote:
Chris4Vikes wrote:
Early indications are that Bledsoe does not have a torn ACL, but no-one knows for sure until MRI is done.

I think it's a 6 team race to the bottom. Sixers, Lakers, Nets, Nuggets, Wolves, Bucks. I just think that the Suns, Blazers, and NO are too good at the end of the day to finish with a bottom 5-6 record. I am assuming that Bledsoe is not out for a long period.

I disagree on the Nuggets and Wolves. They have a decent mix of young talent and veteran leadership. Mudiay will improve as the season continues, and Towns and Wiggins are just two good to be a bottom 5 team.

My sneaky tank team is the Bucks. They have been terrible since the Knight trade, and Kidd missing the rest of he season is ( Trump voice ) UUGE. If they could add a Dunn or trade the pick for a competent point they would be on a nice trajectory.

What a horrible horrible trade for them. Knight was great for them and outside of Middleton they have zero shooting, then they doubled down on it by signing Monroe when they already had spacing issues! From a pure talent standpoint I think they beat out the nets in terms of wins though. The nets have Thad and that's it, even Lopez has been a scrub for them this year.

Is it possible that deal ends up bad for all three teams?

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Homerclease · Post #1707 » by **Homerclease** » Sun Dec 27, 2015 6:23 pm

Cornbread wrote:
Homerclease wrote:
mbsnmisc wrote:

I disagree on the Nuggets and Wolves. They have a decent mix of young talent and veteran leadership. Mudiay will improve as the season continues, and Towns and Wiggins are just two good to be a bottom 5 team.

My sneaky tank team is the Bucks. They have been terrible since the Knight trade, and Kidd missing the rest of he season is ( Trump voice ) UUGE. If they could add a Dunn or trade the pick for a competent point they would be on a nice trajectory.

What a horrible horrible trade for them. Knight was great for them and outside of Middleton they have zero shooting, then they doubled down on it by signing Monroe when they already had spacing issues! From a pure talent standpoint I think they beat out the nets in terms of wins though. The nets have Thad and that's it, even Lopez has been a scrub for them this year.

Is it possible that deal ends up bad for all three teams?

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No, philly did the right thing selling high on MCW

Marvel · Post #1708 » by **Marvel** » Sun Dec 27, 2015 7:37 pm

Homerclease wrote:
Cornbread wrote:
Homerclease wrote:What a horrible horrible trade for them. Knight was great for them and outside of Middleton they have zero shooting, then they doubled down on it by signing Monroe when they already had spacing issues! From a pure talent standpoint I think they beat out the nets in terms of wins though. The nets have Thad and that's it, even Lopez has been a scrub for them this year.

Is it possible that deal ends up bad for all three teams?

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No, philly did the right thing selling high on MCW

Correction, they actually triple downed on it by re-signing Henson. I never liked the Monroe addition for the Bucks because of spacing issues already. Stupid they let go of Knight also.

Cornbread · Post #1709 » by **Cornbread** » Mon Dec 28, 2015 12:03 am

Is anyone else excited about the Memphis pick?

It's looking like their 2017 pick will go to Denver. That means the soonest we can get their pick is 2019.

The protections are:
2019: top 8
2020: top 6
2021: unprotected

Now I know that is a long way off, but Memphis is a team that could fall off quickly. Conley is a free agent, Gasol will be old and/or gone by then.... As will just about everyone else.

And if they blow it up, they are going to be short on picks to rebuild. We could be looking at another elite pick in 5 years or so.

Or not... It's a long way off. But that is a pick I'd be looking to hold on to.

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mbsnmisc · Post #1710 » by **mbsnmisc** » Mon Dec 28, 2015 3:05 am

Cornbread wrote:Is anyone else excited about the Memphis pick?

It's looking like their 2017 pick will go to Denver. That means the soonest we can get their pick is 2019.

The protections are:
2019: top 8
2020: top 6
2021: unprotected

Now I know that is a long way off, but Memphis is a team that could fall off quickly. Conley is a free agent, Gasol will be old and/or gone by then.... As will just about everyone else.

And if they blow it up, they are going to be short on picks to rebuild. We could be looking at another elite pick in 5 years or so.

Or not... It's a long way off. But that is a pick I'd be looking to hold on to.

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I have always thought that pick was a hidden gem. Much like how the Lakers got Worthy or maybe Magic back in the late 70's/early 80's. It would be incredible to add a top 3 pick to a team coming off a couple championships. I hate to type the name Len Bias, but that is potentially what the Memphis pick could yield.

chakdaddy · Post #1711 » by **chakdaddy** » Mon Dec 28, 2015 3:43 am

Those are the true lottery tickets - future picks with teams with unknown futures. That one was a very underrated pickup for Green.

Pacino62 · Post #1712 » by **Pacino62** » Mon Dec 28, 2015 10:44 am

First the Bledsoe hit to the outsourced tank and now another injury to Utah strikes. I know Burks isn't favors or Hayward, but he's a key guy for them and likely out 6 weeks. Combine that with the Gobert injury, and there's another team who may rethink the season.

Murta · Post #1713 » by **Murta** » Mon Dec 28, 2015 11:25 am

Cornbread wrote:Is anyone else excited about the Memphis pick?
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And if they blow it up, they are going to be short on picks to rebuild. We could be looking at another elite pick in 5 years or so.
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Funny thing is that Grizzlies have already done that type of gift giving when they've traded for aging Otis Thorpe in 1997. The pick didn't materialize until 2003 for Pistons and you know how they used it.

mbsnmisc · Post #1714 » by **mbsnmisc** » Mon Dec 28, 2015 12:10 pm

Murta wrote:
Cornbread wrote:Is anyone else excited about the Memphis pick?
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And if they blow it up, they are going to be short on picks to rebuild. We could be looking at another elite pick in 5 years or so.
...

Funny thing is that Grizzlies have already done that type of gift giving when they've traded for aging Otis Thorpe in 1997. The pick didn't materialize until 2003 for Pistons and you know how they used it.

Darko ?

Murta · Post #1715 » by **Murta** » Mon Dec 28, 2015 12:30 pm

mbsnmisc wrote:
Murta wrote:
Cornbread wrote:Is anyone else excited about the Memphis pick?
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And if they blow it up, they are going to be short on picks to rebuild. We could be looking at another elite pick in 5 years or so.
...

Funny thing is that Grizzlies have already done that type of gift giving when they've traded for aging Otis Thorpe in 1997. The pick didn't materialize until 2003 for Pistons and you know how they used it.

Darko ?

Yup. If they've taken Anthony or traded it for some veteran on a losing team (Paul Pierce, Zydrunas Ilgauskas), they could've won multiple titles. Although, a point could be made that, if they've went with a different approach, they might've never traded for Sheed later in their championship season.

Those types of opportunities often end up horrible (Len Bias, Darko) or phenomenal (James Worthy, Tim Duncan).

Captain_Caveman · Post #1716 » by **Captain_Caveman** » Mon Dec 28, 2015 1:05 pm

ParticleMan wrote:Dallas's pick is also protected if it's 15 or higher. we only get it if it's 8-14. i thought we had a good chance at that but the WC picked a **** year to get sucky all of a sudden.

as of now we only have our pick and BKN's. hold the lobster boat just yet.

Dallas pick is no longer reverse protected 15-30. That was only true for the 2015 draft, when it was protected 1-3 and 15-30. It is now protected 1-7 through 2020, and unprotected in 2021.

http://basketball.realgm.com/nba/draft/future_drafts/detailed
http://www.draftexpress.com/transactions.php

Chris4Vikes · Post #1717 » by **Chris4Vikes** » Mon Dec 28, 2015 1:25 pm

Just read an article which analyzed the Nets season. The Nets have given away games in the 4th quarter...

The Nets are 8-22 overall. But 13 of the losses have come after the Nets either led, were tied or were within a basket in the fourth quarter. Go 6-7 in those games and the Nets are 14-16.

I think this article misses the point. The Nets have no depth, and Hollins is killing the Vets (Lopez, Young, Johnson, Jack) with minutes. There is little left in the tank for the 4th quarter. Anyone agree or disagree?

Chris4Vikes · Post #1718 » by **Chris4Vikes** » Mon Dec 28, 2015 1:54 pm

This morning's ESPN BPI Playoff Odds and Win Projections:

1. Philly: 12
2. Lakers: 17
3: Nets: 24
4. Minny: 30
5. Bucks: 31
6. Nuggets: 31
7. Suns: 33
8. Knicks: 34
9. Blazers: 35
10. Sac: 35
11. NO: 35

Of course this can't take into account future injuries or tanking strategies (or lackthereof). Where do folks see flawed predictions here? I would sure be thrilled with things playing out this way, but I am concerned that the Nets have no incentive to tank and other teams will.

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/page/BPI-Playoff-Odds/espn-nba-basketball-power-index-playoff-odds

Post #1719 » by **ParticleMan** » Mon Dec 28, 2015 2:15 pm

i'd be very happy with the 3rd slot. i can't imagine the nets sinking below LAL unless young and lopez are gone for the year.

the nets have no incentive to tank but they also have no real way to get better. minny's best players are their young guys who are going to get PT, if anything they should improve over the course of the year. the bucks, no idea how they are that bad, i can't imagine they will sink below the nets. the team that worries me most is the suns, with bledsoe out for a while and they were already sinking. nugz have potential to sink too. both teams would have to fire sale some guys at the deadline, but that's certainly possible. still, that's 7-9 projected wins they have to overcome (undercome?) in order to get below the nets. the nets are just really, really bad. it's almost pitiful, the place that franchise is in.

thegreenlife · Post #1720 » by **thegreenlife** » Mon Dec 28, 2015 11:31 pm

Between the Nets and the Heat playing tonight, IDK who I want more to lose... I hate the Heat and want them to lose, but at the same time, we need the Nets to tank