All Things #1 Pick 2017 Take 2

[Jingles]

The value is good, but I don't agree. Jackson had good stats because he was playing small-ball 4. He was able to play in a system conducive to his strengths in a way the NBA likely won't allow with his size/frame.

And Fultz didn't put up stats because his team sucked, but in spite of it.

Either or on the last point stats are for losers when you are loser. I watched Jackson win games his play made Kansas special. Never saw that with Fultz. I think Ainge makes this move because he wasn't going to draft the kid and played it up enough to get the return.

Kansas was plenty special before Jackson. An excellent player, sure, but he got to be a small-ball 4 playing on a stacked team with shooting and two playmakers to play off of.

I just don't know what people were expecting Fultz to do. Put Josh Jackson on Washington and he looks just like Jaylen at Cal - a walking turnover and master bricklayer. Fultz managed to glide around scoring and playmaking with good efficiency and incredible volume despite having entire defenses loaded up on him.

Droopy eyes tho.

[fallguy]

One thing is unquestionable: Ainge did not think Fultz the surefire star he's been made out to be by many in the media and on message boards.

Once you accept Ainge wasn't as high on Fultz as most, you ask - what do you do if you're Danny? Grabbing another top-5-ish pick is a very good option. Whether you keep it or not.

[sully00]

An interesting aspect is that Ainge traded down to possibly select a player, Ball/Jackson, that hasn't worked out for us yet. Granted, we have the next couple of days, but that is crazy.

I think that this was intentional. I think Boston is selling PHI that this is about a trade for a superstar not about moving from 1 to 3. Not having Ball or Jackson in makes it less likely that PHI feels like Boston just wants another player and are fleecing them for assets.

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OMG yes. We don't pay you nearly enough around here to figure out the complex stuff for us, Sully!

Totally worked too.

I accept bourbon and rye.

[ViperGTS]

Don't want/need Butler. Why do people insist on this? I have no idea?

Are you all Danny Ainge?

Because Butler is a top 15 player in his prime. I want Butler, Hayward on this roster with IT and Horford.


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If that's the end game, we still don't win a title

Yep. Butler isn't a top 15 player and is nearing 30. People want a quick fix and don't realize Danny MAY have blown any chance the Cs had to become a long term dynasty.

[ShermansShoes]

This is a nightmare. After watching Fultz all year I'm gonna have to pray he's trash and root against him. He even wanted to be a Celtic ughhh. **** Ainge man just loves collecting picks. I don't even care about the 18 Brooklyn pick, Ainge would trade that **** too even if there was a consensus number 1. Screw it, go all in now like you and Brad want it Ainge. When you lose to the Warriors over and over I hope you get fired then.

But then he wanted to be a Laker, and then he wanted to be a Sixer.

[GoCeltics123]

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[Jingles]

That's what happens when you only watch Fultz highlights.

I watched plenty of Jackson this year. Seems like you're the one who just looked up his 3pt% today and decided he's a shooter.

I've seen plenty of Kansas games and i've put out an solid argument why he is a promising talent. You think you can diminish that with some cheap oneliners?

Give credit where its due.

I'm not a Fultz guy but i give him credit for his offensive qualities, he has the potential to be a very good scorer in the league. But he isn't the type of player that fits in Brad's system, sorry.

Then neither is the starting point guard who they now seem destined to max.

[MelosSoreWrist]

Do you all think Ainge would trade Jackson + the Lakers or Kings pick for Butler?

I hope not

Why not just trade the number 1 pick and let them splice it up how they want?

[derblitzenator]

Bit of talk about the Celtics having a top 4 (Fultz, ball, Tatum, Jackson)

Personally I think if you're a top level franchise at the pointy end of the draft it shouldn't be whoever of a group is available is fine, you should damn well know who you want, in order

In which case doing this before LA picks makes little sense

If that's the Celtics top 4 and the Kings are desperate for Fox, it makes sense to trade down again to the 5.

[The Corey's]

Very curious what Stevens thinks.

Hayward better come here because otherwise how can Ainge justify saying we need shooting and.not addressing it

[31to6]

Sorry, I want no parts of a wing that shoots sub-60% on free throws

thank goodness Paul Pierce shot 61% from the line his freshman year at Kansas then (Jackson was 57%, but shot much better from the field and from 3):

http://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/paul-pierce-1.html
http://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/josh-jackson-2.html

As mentioned in another thread, Pierce was 18 his freshman year at Kansas. Jackson turned 20 in February. Pierce was not shooting at 60% his age 19 or age 20 years.

Didn't realize I need to go count the months old they were.
Pierce turned out fine. Jackson's enormously likely to as well. Shot J's better than Wiggins did at Kansas. Shot better than Tatum. I know it looks funny but I hope we take him and I hope we keep him.

[fallguy]

Because Butler is a top 15 player in his prime. I want Butler, Hayward on this roster with IT and Horford.


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If that's the end game, we still don't win a title

Yep. Butler isn't a top 15 player and is nearing 30. People want a quick fix and don't realize Danny MAY have blown any chance the Cs had to become a long term dynasty.

Also he MAY NOT HAVE blown it.

The key is to lose your **** without knowing what happens next or how good these kids are.

That's real basketball acumen.

[GregB]

I think we trade the pick.

But if we don't and Jackson is on the board at 3. Do we try and get value out of Phoenix and pick Taytum at 4 instead?

[fallguy]

Very curious what Stevens thinks.

Hayward better come here because otherwise how can Ainge justify saying we need shooting and.not addressing it

It's June 17.

There is plenty of time to address it. With many different players.

Why is this so hard?

[sully00]

Because Butler is a top 15 player in his prime. I want Butler, Hayward on this roster with IT and Horford.


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If that's the end game, we still don't win a title

Yep. Butler isn't a top 15 player and is nearing 30. People want a quick fix and don't realize Danny MAY have blown any chance the Cs had to become a long term dynasty.

Fultz is not going to be a top 15 player anywhere for 3-5 years even if he lives up to the hype. I think Jackson has at worst even odds to be as good or better but even if he doesn't how long do you think DA is going to be running the C's? He isn't willing to wait 5 years. It might take that long but fighting and waiting are two different things.

[Upperclass]

Horrible trade if they draft Jackson. I think he's headed to bust territory if forced as a starter. Tatum would be a good pick if it can't be moved for Butler, and pieces

[ShermansShoes]

An interesting aspect is that Ainge traded down to possibly select a player, Ball/Jackson, that hasn't worked out for us yet. Granted, we have the next couple of days, but that is crazy.

I think that this was intentional. I think Boston is selling PHI that this is about a trade for a superstar not about moving from 1 to 3. Not having Ball or Jackson in makes it less likely that PHI feels like Boston just wants another player and are fleecing them for assets.

pretty convincing

Wait what's this? Rational analysis? You'd both better stop right now. Don't you know that the sky is falling?

[winsomme2]

Either or on the last point stats are for losers when you are loser. I watched Jackson win games his play made Kansas special. Never saw that with Fultz. I think Ainge makes this move because he wasn't going to draft the kid and played it up enough to get the return.

Fine Jackson will be a decent contributor on a good team but he has absolutely no star ability. You can't be a star wing player in this league if you can't shoot. And he cannot shoot

You didn't watch a single KU game this year, did you?

I'm pretty excited for Jackson. If the Lakers take him, I will immediately sour on this trade

I actually watched a ton of college basketball this year and the stuff that Jackson did in college will largely not translate because he struggles to shoot

[ViperGTS]

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Gets better and better. Danny really has lost it. This is what happens when you have no idea what you are doing because you are in uncharted waters. That pick doesn't mean as much because you didn't earn it. Your team didn't suck and can't afford to not pic, the consensus number one.

He f*cked up and NOT ONE media person will take him to task. Force him to either answer or walk away. That's a the shame of it.

[Marvel]

That's what happens when you only watch Fultz highlights.

I watched plenty of Jackson this year. Seems like you're the one who just looked up his 3pt% today and decided he's a shooter.

I've seen plenty of Kansas games and i've put out an solid argument why he is a promising talent. You think you can diminish that with some cheap oneliners?

Give credit where its due.

I'm not a Fultz guy but i give him credit for his offensive qualities, he has the potential to be a very good scorer in the league. But he isn't the type of player that fits in Brad's system, sorry.

A guy that can shoot, create his own shot, push it in transition and get to the rim...who needs that?