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Re: Official Celtics 2020-21 Regular Season Thread 

Post#1701 » by Fencer reregistered » Sat Mar 6, 2021 11:11 am

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bucknersrevenge wrote:With so much focus on Brad this year and the question arising of whether or not he's still capable, I thought I'd take a moment to share one fan's opinion from another board:

"You know what... F**k it. I'll tell you what he's won.
He won 77.2% of his games as Butler's head coach. He took a team with 0 ESPN top 200 recruits to the national championship game TWICE in a row.

He's won 56.1% of his games in the NBA. That's a better winning percentage than Mike D'Antoni, Rudy Tomjanovich, Don Nelson, Rick Carlisle, Larry Brown, Frank Vogel, and Bill Russell despite having none of the hall of fame players those other coaches have had.

He's made the playoffs every year except his first one. He's been to the ECF 3 of the last 4 years despite having rosters that had no f**king business being there.

There isn't anyone literally on the planet I want coaching this team other than Brad Stevens."

Agree? Don't agree?

Agree. Stevens is a good Coach. ECF 3 out of 4, is a good argument.
BUT -- He still needs to upgrade both his coaching style, and coaching staff.


Yep. Indeed, he needs some change for the sake of change, for reasons both of:
-- Competitive Xs and Os
-- Having more impact on the players by saying something new
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Post#1702 » by cl2117 » Sat Mar 6, 2021 11:30 am

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Parliament10 wrote:
bucknersrevenge wrote:With so much focus on Brad this year and the question arising of whether or not he's still capable, I thought I'd take a moment to share one fan's opinion from another board:

"You know what... F**k it. I'll tell you what he's won.
He won 77.2% of his games as Butler's head coach. He took a team with 0 ESPN top 200 recruits to the national championship game TWICE in a row.

He's won 56.1% of his games in the NBA. That's a better winning percentage than Mike D'Antoni, Rudy Tomjanovich, Don Nelson, Rick Carlisle, Larry Brown, Frank Vogel, and Bill Russell despite having none of the hall of fame players those other coaches have had.

He's made the playoffs every year except his first one. He's been to the ECF 3 of the last 4 years despite having rosters that had no f**king business being there.

There isn't anyone literally on the planet I want coaching this team other than Brad Stevens."

Agree? Don't agree?

Agree. Stevens is a good Coach. ECF 3 out of 4, is a good argument.
BUT -- He still needs to upgrade both his coaching style, and coaching staff.


Yep. Indeed, he needs some change for the sake of change, for reasons both of:
-- Competitive Xs and Os
-- Having more impact on the players by saying something new

No doubt. Coaches need to continue to develop too. I'm riding with Brad for the long haul though.

He's certainly not immune from criticism, just like Tatum and Brown shouldn't be, but Brad's resume should give him the breathing room that a lot of people seem to not want to. If he keeps getting better and keeps getting the kind of gravitas that a coach like Pop earned he could be our guy for decades to come.

Obviously that Pop level respect comes from winning rings, but 3/4 ECF is a great start in that direction. With Jaylen/Jayson he's got the building blocks to snag one and then I think it's only going to get better from there as that ball starts rolling down hill.
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Post#1703 » by zoyathedestroya » Sat Mar 6, 2021 2:08 pm

Is Marcus' jersey 36 cos his birthday is 3/6?

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Post#1704 » by Fencer reregistered » Sat Mar 6, 2021 3:02 pm

I was slow to realize this, but this year the All-Star break really is at the exact midpoint of the regular season. The Celtics have played 36 games, with 36 more to come after the break.
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Post#1705 » by playa-hater » Sat Mar 6, 2021 5:22 pm

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BostonCouchGM wrote:Amazing what beating a few scrub teams in a row will do for fan’s confidence

I don't know. There are some fans, no matter what the outcomes, will support Stevens till their dying day. Stevens can lead them over the edge of the Grand Canyon and his followers say, "it's just a little crack" .

Eh, Grand Canyon's not as tough as you think. I've single-day rim-to-rimmed 9 times (5x north-to-north, 2x south-to-south, 1x north-to-south, and 1x south-to-north). And each and every time, there have been dozens of people in much better shape cruising past my slow ass. And dozens more in worse shape trudging along taking their time. If coach wants me to head on down for another go, I'm game.


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Post#1706 » by djFan71 » Sat Mar 6, 2021 5:53 pm

zoyathedestroya wrote:Is Marcus' jersey 36 cos his birthday is 3/6?

Fencer reregistered wrote:I was slow to realize this, but this year the All-Star break really is at the exact midpoint of the regular season. The Celtics have played 36 games, with 36 more to come after the break.


Man, put this together and we are halfway thru the season with 36 games in with 36 left on 3/6.
Add that #36 with the 3/6 birthday and it sounds like we will get half that number of titles on 6/3.

Numbers don't lie.
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Except maybe the 6/3 date part, but it was fun.
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Post#1707 » by Parliament10 » Sat Mar 6, 2021 6:29 pm

Highlights from our last game, before the All-Star Break.

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Post#1708 » by SMTBSI » Sat Mar 6, 2021 11:33 pm

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playa-hater wrote:I don't know. There are some fans, no matter what the outcomes, will support Stevens till their dying day. Stevens can lead them over the edge of the Grand Canyon and his followers say, "it's just a little crack" .

Eh, Grand Canyon's not as tough as you think. I've single-day rim-to-rimmed 9 times (5x north-to-north, 2x south-to-south, 1x north-to-south, and 1x south-to-north). And each and every time, there have been dozens of people in much better shape cruising past my slow ass. And dozens more in worse shape trudging along taking their time. If coach wants me to head on down for another go, I'm game.

I really have no rebuttal for this :o

That was mostly a joke post on my part. But, there's also kinda-sorta a point to it. You really don't want to be that guy that leads the mutiny every third Wednesday of the month. I've got my complaints about Brad, but he's our guy until he's not. Our players are our guys until they're not. Some things are out of our control. In the meantime, we'll get as far as we can, however far that may be, by all pulling in the same direction.

If my less-than-perfect coach points me down into the canyon and says, "get stepping", I'll take the lead and try to use my experience to get the rest of the team to the other side safely. Cause at the end of the day, a lot of things we thought were giant obstacles, turn out to be little cracks, once we're past them and looking back.
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Post#1709 » by zoyathedestroya » Sun Mar 7, 2021 4:23 am

Maybe too early to call it a trend. Numbers from the last six games could very well be just noise and not facing tough defenses is a factor, but **** it, I'll say it anyway... the Celtics are trending in the right direction.

Start of season until 02/22/2021:
Celtics 4th Qtr assisted field goals %, ranking in parenthesis: 49.8% (29th)
Celtics 4th Qtr offensive rating, ranking in parenthesis: 105.4 (26th)

02/23/2021 onwards:
Celtics 4th Qtr assisted field goals %, ranking in parenthesis: 58.8% (17th)
Celtics 4th Qtr offensive rating, ranking in parenthesis: 127.1 (2nd)

Remember that 4th quarter execution has been one of our major issues this season and a big reason why we can't seem to close out games even when we had 4th quarter leads. And contrary to the popular opinion that Theis cost us the Miami series, it was our 4th quarter and late-game offense that let us down in the ECF. Keep moving that ball and making the right play, guys!

4th Quarter Offensive Rankings from previous seasons:
2019-20: 2nd
2018-19: 6th
2017-18: 6th
2016-17: 3rd
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Post#1710 » by djFan71 » Sun Mar 7, 2021 5:09 am

We kinda always suck to start the year the last few seasons, so that checks.
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Post#1711 » by Fierce1 » Sun Mar 7, 2021 5:13 am

djFan71 wrote:We kinda always suck to start the year the last few seasons, so that checks.


Celts started very well last season.

They had a 15-5 record in the first 20 games of the season.
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Post#1712 » by djFan71 » Sun Mar 7, 2021 5:25 am

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djFan71 wrote:We kinda always suck to start the year the last few seasons, so that checks.


Celts started very well last season.

They had a 15-5 record in the first 20 games of the season.

Yeah, but I’m sure we sucked while doing it. At least if you were here.
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Post#1713 » by Fierce1 » Sun Mar 7, 2021 5:30 am

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djFan71 wrote:We kinda always suck to start the year the last few seasons, so that checks.


Celts started very well last season.

They had a 15-5 record in the first 20 games of the season.

Yeah, but I’m sure we sucked while doing it. At least if you were here.


Every time the Celts faced the Sixers, Nets, and Pacers last season, they sucked.

Theis always got dominated by Embiid, Jarrett Allen, and Sabonis last season.

I would've been here last season if I just checked my email properly. :lol:
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Post#1714 » by bisme37 » Sun Mar 7, 2021 5:13 pm

Here's a nice video that details our late game communication and execution from the recent Clippers game.

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Post#1715 » by Feed Your Head » Sun Mar 7, 2021 5:57 pm

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Post#1717 » by zoyathedestroya » Mon Mar 8, 2021 11:50 am

Above I posted the the significant improvement the team has shown over the last 6 games in their 4th quarter offense. Below are some numbers showing the marked improvement in our half-court offensive efficiency:

Start of season until 02/22/2021:
Celtics efficiency after opponent makes a shot, ranking in parenthesis: 1.08 (14th)
Celtics efficiency after a defensive rebound, ranking in parenthesis: 1.07 (24th)

02/23/2021 onwards:
Celtics efficiency after opponent makes a shot, ranking in parenthesis: 1.16 (6th)
Celtics efficiency after a defensive rebound, ranking in parenthesis: 1.17 (11th)


We currently have the #1 scoring efficiency off turnovers. Ideally, we also want a top 10 half-court offense as we enter the playoffs. Here are the teams that currently are top 10 both off a defensive rebound and a made shot: BKN, UTA, MIL, NOP, and LAC. We were top 10 in both last season.
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Post#1718 » by Fencer reregistered » Mon Mar 8, 2021 12:00 pm

zoyathedestroya wrote:Above I posted the the significant improvement the team has shown over the last 6 games in their 4th quarter offense. Below are some numbers showing the marked improvement in our half-court offensive efficiency:

Start of season until 02/22/2021:
Celtics efficiency after opponent makes a shot, ranking in parenthesis: 1.08 (14th)
Celtics efficiency after a defensive rebound, ranking in parenthesis: 1.07 (24th)

02/23/2021 onwards:
Celtics efficiency after opponent makes a shot, ranking in parenthesis: 1.16 (6th)
Celtics efficiency after a defensive rebound, ranking in parenthesis: 1.17 (11th)


We currently have the #1 scoring efficiency off turnovers. Ideally, we also want a top 10 half-court offense as we enter the playoffs. Here are the teams that currently are top 10 both off a defensive rebound and a made shot: BKN, UTA, MIL, NOP, and LAC. We were top 10 in both last season.


So other teams are more efficient after a rebound than a make, while we are not. That sounds like a weakness in transition offense. Yet we're elite in scoring off turnovers, which sounds like a bit of a paradox (or an indictment of our outlet passing).

Ummm -- is that off all turnovers, or just live-ball ones?
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Post#1719 » by zoyathedestroya » Mon Mar 8, 2021 12:13 pm

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zoyathedestroya wrote:Above I posted the the significant improvement the team has shown over the last 6 games in their 4th quarter offense. Below are some numbers showing the marked improvement in our half-court offensive efficiency:

Start of season until 02/22/2021:
Celtics efficiency after opponent makes a shot, ranking in parenthesis: 1.08 (14th)
Celtics efficiency after a defensive rebound, ranking in parenthesis: 1.07 (24th)

02/23/2021 onwards:
Celtics efficiency after opponent makes a shot, ranking in parenthesis: 1.16 (6th)
Celtics efficiency after a defensive rebound, ranking in parenthesis: 1.17 (11th)


We currently have the #1 scoring efficiency off turnovers. Ideally, we also want a top 10 half-court offense as we enter the playoffs. Here are the teams that currently are top 10 both off a defensive rebound and a made shot: BKN, UTA, MIL, NOP, and LAC. We were top 10 in both last season.


So other teams are more efficient after a rebound than a make, while we are not. That sounds like a weakness in transition offense. Yet we're elite in scoring off turnovers, which sounds like a bit of a paradox (or an indictment of our outlet passing).

Ummm -- is that off all turnovers, or just live-ball ones?

It's both/aggregated. Some other paid site should have a better breakdown. That free and publicly available data is from inpredictable.com.
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Post#1720 » by SMTBSI » Mon Mar 8, 2021 2:34 pm

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zoyathedestroya wrote:Above I posted the the significant improvement the team has shown over the last 6 games in their 4th quarter offense. Below are some numbers showing the marked improvement in our half-court offensive efficiency:

Start of season until 02/22/2021:
Celtics efficiency after opponent makes a shot, ranking in parenthesis: 1.08 (14th)
Celtics efficiency after a defensive rebound, ranking in parenthesis: 1.07 (24th)

02/23/2021 onwards:
Celtics efficiency after opponent makes a shot, ranking in parenthesis: 1.16 (6th)
Celtics efficiency after a defensive rebound, ranking in parenthesis: 1.17 (11th)


We currently have the #1 scoring efficiency off turnovers. Ideally, we also want a top 10 half-court offense as we enter the playoffs. Here are the teams that currently are top 10 both off a defensive rebound and a made shot: BKN, UTA, MIL, NOP, and LAC. We were top 10 in both last season.

So other teams are more efficient after a rebound than a make, while we are not. That sounds like a weakness in transition offense. Yet we're elite in scoring off turnovers, which sounds like a bit of a paradox (or an indictment of our outlet passing).

Ummm -- is that off all turnovers, or just live-ball ones?

One possibility is that our rebounders in particular are just not good at getting the ball into our skill-player's hands quickly. I would say something about Tristan and tunnel vision here, but Tatum and Brown are #1 and #3 on the team, respectively, in total DReb this year.

It would be pretty easy to get to underperforming after-a-rebound relative to after-a-make by positing that we're better off when our guards bring the ball up after makes, than when our wings bring it up after rebounds. But then you run afoul of the excellent efficiency off turnovers, and the fact that Brown and Tatum are, not surprisingly, #1 and #2 in steals.

What it kind of smells like to me is a young team that's still "thinking" instead of just playing. You've been told what to do in certain situations, so that's what you do, rather than using your own judgment play-by-play. You get a turnover, you know you're supposed to push it, so that's what you do. You don't act with quite the same urgency off a rebound, even though it would be wise too.

I feel like we could get real close to an answer here just by knowing how long it takes us to get over halfcourt off a make, DReb, and TO, relative to the league.

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