The 2021-2022 I Wouldn't Trade Brown for Simmons Because He's a Clown Trade Thread

[MagicBagley18]

Dame was a top 10 guy.

He is dropping.

So is a 15-20 player right now worth trading a 25-30 player who is 20 millio per season cheaper and 5 years younger

Edit ; I misread your post but also slightly answered it already - dame likely ends up all nba to end the year imo and yes it’s still worth it when trading for him almost instantly boosts your odds at beal even more. Plus he’s better than brown now and likely the future.

Putting aside what each of us thinks about the above the relative value of Brown and Lillard, if they wouldn't trade Brown for Harden they aren't doing it for Lillard.

Disagree. Harden had character questions and next offseason we could be coming off another disappointing year and also less years on Jaylens deal. plus again - they want beal. Beal and dame are extremely close. Dame is another draw for beal.

Also I think harden was more of a debate than u realize and that was with another regime.

[moonie_mcgee]

The problem is we don't have a big dog leading the team. We need a KG type player. His gravitas, competitiveness and skill set immediately turned around the teams static culture. Neither Tatum or Brown are remotely like KG. Get that guy and don't do anything stupid. We have the chits to do it now. Who are 5 to 10 guys that's fit that description?

No one’s like KG ..

Ha haha The substance of my point is that the team needs an alpha dog.

[playa-hater]

Trading Schroder should be a top Priority, for a few reasons. I just don't see any team that wants him unless the team loses a PG like the Knicks. I feel he ends up on Boston all year long..

This is going to be one of the longest years I can remember.

[Larry_Russell]

Trading Schroder should be a top Priority, for a few reasons. I just don't see any team that wants him unless the team loses a PG like the Knicks. I feel he ends up on Boston all year long..

This is going to be one of the longest years I can remember.

Part 1:

You i know I agree RE: Schroder. Brad better be shopping SChroder to the Knicks as we speak. It was a location that made sense prior the bad luck with Rose hit. They need a PG ASAP. If Schroder is still on the team in a week I will be SHOCKED.

Samanic and Grimes for Schroder
or Knox, Samanic and 2 seconds.


Part 2:

Naw, watching (hopefully) our youth develop and the Jays mature as all around players has been and will continue to be fun.

[zoyathedestroya]

We trade Schroder for Doncic yet?

[Curmudgeon]

The latest manufactured rumor is Smart, Langford, G. Williams and a protected pick for Sabonis. Take out G. Williams and the pick and it is a "good" trade for the Celtics. Probably turns them into a 45-50 win team instead of a 40 win team, although Schroder as the starting pg could get ugly. It also leaves the Celtics with only Pritchard at the point next year.

[Larry_Russell]

The latest manufactured rumor is Smart, Langford, G. Williams and a protected pick for Sabonis. Take out G. Williams and the pick and it is a "good" trade for the Celtics. Probably turns them into a 45-50 win team instead of a 40 win team, although Schroder as the starting pg could get ugly. It also leaves the Celtics with only Pritchard at the point next year.

Honestly, I dont think I like that deal

I just cannot see sabonis as a great fit here.


If that deal could be a three team deal with Sabonis to Spurs for Murray and filler then 100% yup.


Smart, Romeo, Pick from Boston to Indiana

Sabonis to Spurs

Murray and Walker to Boston

Murray/Pritchard
Richardson/Walker
Brown/Nesmith
Tatum/GrantW
Timelord/Horford

Follow up with a Horford trade for a shooter and a center

[Curmudgeon]

I think Sabonis is a perfect fit here, which is why I'd be willing to give up Smart to get him-- if I wanted to create a 45-50 win team. Alas, that isn't good enough to win a championship, so I'm not interested in adding Sabonis at any price.

[playa-hater]

I think you guys are being too optimistic on what Boston would have to give up to get Sabonis. and I am very pessimistic anyone really makes an offer for Schro.. he played well last year for LAL and no one wanted him. Despite his solid play at times this year, how many "contenders" would he fit with?? that would also give us something in return. NYK and Brooklyn maybe??

[playa-hater]

The latest manufactured rumor is Smart, Langford, G. Williams and a protected pick for Sabonis. Take out G. Williams and the pick and it is a "good" trade for the Celtics. Probably turns them into a 45-50 win team instead of a 40 win team, although Schroder as the starting pg could get ugly. It also leaves the Celtics with only Pritchard at the point next year.

Honestly, I dont think I like that deal

I just cannot see sabonis as a great fit here.


If that deal could be a three team deal with Sabonis to Spurs for Murray and filler then 100% yup.


Smart, Romeo, Pick from Boston to Indiana

Sabonis to Spurs

Murray and Walker to Boston

Murray/Pritchard
Richardson/Walker
Brown/Nesmith
Tatum/GrantW
Timelord/Horford

Follow up with a Horford trade for a shooter and a center

Don't know how possible this is, but would like this for Boston.

[Andrew McCeltic]

Sabonis doesn’t fit here, hard to come up with a trade, hard to build a team around his weaknesses, and we have Rob.

[playa-hater]

Sabonis doesn’t fit here, hard to come up with a trade, hard to build a team around his weaknesses, and we have Rob.

Sabonis has his weaknesses, But I think everyone is over stating it. And maybe his positives are being over-stated as well. But he is a play making Bigman on a team that needs more players willing and able to create for others.

Obviously much depends on what we give up, But Indiana is not going to give him away. At the moment I am surprised anyone can make a definitive judgment on him one way or the other until we know what assets/players are involved

[Andrew McCeltic]

Sabonis doesn’t fit here, hard to come up with a trade, hard to build a team around his weaknesses, and we have Rob.

Sabonis has his weaknesses, But I think everyone is over stating it. And maybe his positives are being over-stated as well. But he is a play making Bigman on a team that needs more players willing and able to create for others.

Obviously much depends on what we give up, But Indiana is not going to give him away. At the moment I am surprised anyone can make a definitive judgment on him one way or the other until we know what assets/players are involved

I’d love to see stats on his usage, touches, dribbles/seconds per touch.. he’d be the third option here and can’t stretch the floor or pick and pop. What are his numbers as a roll man? The screen assists would obviously translate.

Has there EVER been a good defensive 5 with his physical attributes? And any mobile defensive 4s who could cover for him? Nance, Jerami Grant, Covington? Siakam?

[Larry_Russell]

The latest manufactured rumor is Smart, Langford, G. Williams and a protected pick for Sabonis. Take out G. Williams and the pick and it is a "good" trade for the Celtics. Probably turns them into a 45-50 win team instead of a 40 win team, although Schroder as the starting pg could get ugly. It also leaves the Celtics with only Pritchard at the point next year.

Honestly, I dont think I like that deal

I just cannot see sabonis as a great fit here.


If that deal could be a three team deal with Sabonis to Spurs for Murray and filler then 100% yup.


Smart, Romeo, Pick from Boston to Indiana

Sabonis to Spurs

Murray and Walker to Boston

Murray/Pritchard
Richardson/Walker
Brown/Nesmith
Tatum/GrantW
Timelord/Horford

Follow up with a Horford trade for a shooter and a center

Don't know how possible this is, but would like this for Boston.

lol,

I guess if Smart ++ can get Sabonis, you flip Sabonis for Murray.

[fallguy]

Sabonis for non-JT/JB pieces makes all the sense in the world IF ONLY because that give us three all-star-ish players -- and two (Brown/Sabonis) we can use to trade for a second true star in the future. We need talent. Upgrade now, figure out the fit as we go.

[Andrew McCeltic]

Sabonis for non-JT/JB pieces makes all the sense in the world IF ONLY because that give us three all-star-ish players -- and two (Brown/Sabonis) we can use to trade for a second true star in the future. We need talent. Upgrade now, figure out the fit as we go.

You sideline Rob Williams that way and you break the defense (esp. if Smart goes out) for a moderate offensive boost. How would Sabonis play with two other all-star-ishes?

[Curmudgeon]

Sabonis would play alongside Rob Williams and average 10+ assists per game. He's Jokic lite. Let Tatum and Brown move without the ball.

This is sort of what Horford does when he's in there, but Sabonis is better.

[Andrew McCeltic]

Honestly, I dont think I like that deal

I just cannot see sabonis as a great fit here.


If that deal could be a three team deal with Sabonis to Spurs for Murray and filler then 100% yup.


Smart, Romeo, Pick from Boston to Indiana

Sabonis to Spurs

Murray and Walker to Boston

Murray/Pritchard
Richardson/Walker
Brown/Nesmith
Tatum/GrantW
Timelord/Horford

Follow up with a Horford trade for a shooter and a center

Don't know how possible this is, but would like this for Boston.

lol,

I guess if Smart ++ can get Sabonis, you flip Sabonis for Murray.

Why would Indiana trade Sabonis for Smart when they could get Murray instead?

And San Antonio would try to deal other pieces (Poeltl, Derrick White, a young wing) for him, not their best player.

Indiana should deal Myles Turner and get him out of the way to rehab Sabonis’ value, but they don’t like the offers they’ve had. They’ll keep Sabonis too if the offers aren’t good enough.

Would love to know the book on Turner - you’d think he would be coveted. Sabonis has the same wingspan as Brogdon, by the way. It all screams Monroe/Drummond to me. Indiana is going to eventually lose both for no value and be in the lottery if they don’t move decisively.

[Andrew McCeltic]

Sabonis would play alongside Rob Williams and average 10+ assists per game. He's Jokic lite. Let Tatum and Brown move without the ball.

This is sort of what Horford does when he's in there, but Sabonis is better.

You can’t play those two together, it’d kill the spacing on offense. Horford could be a good fit but he’s old. And on defense, you have Rob guard 4’s? Ok, he’s quick enough he can do it, but then you take him away from the rim. Basically the only big who could play well enough to cover for Sabonis and leave you a small net positive on defense and a huge net positive on offense is Evan Mobley. If Sabonis could shoot he’d be closer to Kevin Love, so good on offense that you live with the abysmal D. Except he can’t shoot. And it’s basically mandatory to have a good defensive 5 now if you want to win. Brook Lopez is more valuable than Sabonis.

[Curmudgeon]

Does Jokic kill Denver's spacing?

Actually I would not worry about Sabonis until Kevin Pritchard is fired. He's been trying to unload Turner for two years now, with no success. He's asking too much and he's impossible to deal with.