Trade Post-Mortem 2017: Eight is Enough

[ConstableGeneva]

So, you guys think Wyc and DA read this forum?

Danny, if you're reading this, we don't want Tyler Zeller back. Thanks.

[ddb]

I would go to Bulls one more time this summer and offer Bradley + Smart + BK17 (add also Mickey and Jackson) for Bulter. Then let Olynyk go and offer max to Griffin. In addition we avoid overpaying Smart, Olynyk and Bradley.

Thomas/Rozier/
Butler/Brown/
Crowder/Nader/
Griffin/Yabusele/
Horford/Zizič/

Butler is locked on a very team friendly deal and is perfect 1st/2nd option + secondary playmaker we need. Crowder now can do what he's supposed to do - only defend, hustle and shoot threes. We also upgrade front court with a perfect fit for Stevens system and next to Horford.

We still have 8,4 million MLE + 3,3 million BAE to bolster our bench with some cheap, undervalued players and veterans (Tucker, Korver, Carter, Randolph, Dedmon, Speights, Jerebko etc.)

No more huge lux tax issues even if we resign Thomas. Tons of young talent on the bench with one more Nets pick to come + other picks.

No thanks. Griffin would be a great fit but he is often injured. Butler is really good too, but I feel like that ship as sailed. I'm not dealing BK17 for him. Nope.
Make this Paul George and G Hayward and I'm down. Or Anthony Davis and G Hayward.





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What do we do with the center spot then? I'm assuming Bradley/Crowder are gone (for salary purposes)
IT
George
Hayward
Horford
???

Horford is your center.

[ddb]

IT
?
Gordon/Jaylen
Horford
Anthony Davis

Lesssss get itttt

#1 pick (Fultz), BK18, Crowder, Smart, Yabusele for Anthony Davis

Sign Hayward

IT-AB-Hayward-Davis-Horford
Rozier-vet min-Brown-BI annual-Zizic

[CeltsfanSinceBirth]

So, you guys think Wyc and DA read this forum?

I think Wyc probably gets all of his info straight from Danny. Danny? I highly doubt it. He doesn't care what the fans' reaction is to trades. However, I bet Mike Zarren has an account, since he's a die-hard Celtics fan like many of us in here.

[Stadium5]

IT
?
Gordon/Jaylen
Horford
Anthony Davis

Lesssss get itttt

#1 pick (Fultz), BK18, Crowder, Smart, Yabusele for Anthony Davis

Sign Hayward

IT-AB-Hayward-Davis-Horford
Rozier-vet min-Brown-BI annual-Zizic

Way too much. AD while young, and good....is not LeBron. He's fragile too since he's always injured

[ddb]

IT
?
Gordon/Jaylen
Horford
Anthony Davis

Lesssss get itttt

#1 pick (Fultz), BK18, Crowder, Smart, Yabusele for Anthony Davis

Sign Hayward

IT-AB-Hayward-Davis-Horford
Rozier-vet min-Brown-BI annual-Zizic

Way too much. AD while young, and good....is not LeBron. He's fragile too since he's always injured

I don't think that's way too much. Crowder is what he is. A solid NBA 2-way player on a good contract. Smart is good defensively, but will never be an above average offensive player. He's also going to be a RFA at the end of the year. Yabu could end up excellent, but he could also stink. Fultz/BK18 is the real value of the deal for NOP and that's a fair value when combined with the rest of the package for a 1st team All-NBA player like Anthony Davis, who by the way is only 24 years old.

not to mention that if you bring in Davis to join the current core than it's almost a slam dunk that you are going to land another big time free agent ala Hayward.

[klemen4]

For A.Davis I would offer Brown, Brk 17 and Brk 18...and still imo Pelicans would not trade him.

Back to reality...get George/Butler with Brk 17 as basis for a deal and than sign one of Hayward/Griffin as FA.

Im sure that is Dannys plan.

[liveod]

PG + Hayward is the ideal combo with IT. DAMN SON even without AD we'd give Cle a good run.

[Gomes3PC]

IT
?
Gordon/Jaylen
Horford
Anthony Davis

Lesssss get itttt

#1 pick (Fultz), BK18, Crowder, Smart, Yabusele for Anthony Davis

Sign Hayward

IT-AB-Hayward-Davis-Horford
Rozier-vet min-Brown-BI annual-Zizic

There is literally nothing you can offer to NOP that will pry Davis away from them. Unless Davis says he no longer wants to play there, he will be a Pelican.

[SmartWentCrazy]

The time to make a move for Davis is the 2018 offseason. As long as they have Boogie, AD is going no where.

If Boogie bolts, and AD expresses a desire to play elsewhere, they'll look to trade him. 2 years remaining will generally net the best return.

[Edug27]

IT
?
Gordon/Jaylen
Horford
Anthony Davis

Lesssss get itttt

#1 pick (Fultz), BK18, Crowder, Smart, Yabusele for Anthony Davis

Sign Hayward

IT-AB-Hayward-Davis-Horford
Rozier-vet min-Brown-BI annual-Zizic

Way too much. AD while young, and good....is not LeBron. He's fragile too since he's always injured

Funny part is... N.O. says no.

[Roddy]

Go for Whiteside.

Zeller, Crowder, Smart and BK18 for Whiteside.
Sign Hayward.
Draft Fultz

IT / Rozier
Avery / Fultz
Hayward / Brown
Horford / Vet / Yabusele
Whiteside / Zizic

[Stadium5]

#1 pick (Fultz), BK18, Crowder, Smart, Yabusele for Anthony Davis

Sign Hayward

IT-AB-Hayward-Davis-Horford
Rozier-vet min-Brown-BI annual-Zizic

Way too much. AD while young, and good....is not LeBron. He's fragile too since he's always injured

Funny part is... N.O. says no.

Great. The idea of 24 year old AD is awesome. But people act like he's Shaq. He just gets hurt too easily and I think ultimately he'll unachieve.

[Edug27]

Way too much. AD while young, and good....is not LeBron. He's fragile too since he's always injured

Funny part is... N.O. says no.

Great. The idea of 24 year old AD is awesome. But people act like he's Shaq. He just gets hurt too easily and I think ultimately he'll unachieve.

He doesn't have to be Shaq in order to be worth that package.

[Gomes3PC]

The time to make a move for Davis is the 2018 offseason. As long as they have Boogie, AD is going no where.

If Boogie bolts, and AD expresses a desire to play elsewhere, they'll look to trade him. 2 years remaining will generally net the best return.

Even then, I doubt you have a shot. He's tied up in his deal til 2021. He'd have to say he wants to leave or grumble to management quietly to even entertain it. Even at the max he's a bargain and he's the face of the franchise. A small market team isn't shipping him out unless he's about to hit FA and/or demands to be traded.

[SmartWentCrazy]

The time to make a move for Davis is the 2018 offseason. As long as they have Boogie, AD is going no where.

If Boogie bolts, and AD expresses a desire to play elsewhere, they'll look to trade him. 2 years remaining will generally net the best return.

Even then, I doubt you have a shot. He's tied up in his deal til 2021. He'd have to say he wants to leave or grumble to management quietly to even entertain it. Even at the max he's a bargain and he's the face of the franchise. A small market team isn't shipping him out unless he's about to hit FA and/or demands to be traded.

I think he has an option on the last year and BBRef is wrong-- I made the same mistake and someone (165Bows, I think) linked me to an article saying the last year is an option. If that assumption is incorrect, than my premise is obviously faulty.

If he has 2 years left, they just lost Boogie to FA and he indicates he wants out, 2018 is the time to trade him. They'd maximize their return. It's a tiny chance (10%, maybe), but constitutes as our best path at adding a legitimate MVP candidate IMO.

[Gomes3PC]

Not sure, Spotrac does not have the last year as an option either. 2 years remaining is the best hope, and that's what a smart GM would do, but seems most of these guys roll the dice and keep them as long as they possibly can (see GarPax / Bird with Butler / PG).

[SichtingLives]

Trading either of these picks is not a good idea. There are practically zero NBA champion teams who didn't have a Top 50 all time player leading them. That's what we need, not another all-star. Best bet we find one is to get lucky in the draft. Best chance to get lucky in the draft is to pick at the top of the draft. We won't have this opportunity again for a long time after 2018. We can swing for all-stars any and every season, these caliber of picks present a totally different kind of opportunity.

[claycarver]

The time to make a move for Davis is the 2018 offseason. As long as they have Boogie, AD is going no where.

If Boogie bolts, and AD expresses a desire to play elsewhere, they'll look to trade him. 2 years remaining will generally net the best return.

Even then, I doubt you have a shot. He's tied up in his deal til 2021. He'd have to say he wants to leave or grumble to management quietly to even entertain it. Even at the max he's a bargain and he's the face of the franchise. A small market team isn't shipping him out unless he's about to hit FA and/or demands to be traded.

I think he has an option on the last year and BBRef is wrong-- I made the same mistake and someone (165Bows, I think) linked me to an article saying the last year is an option. If that assumption is incorrect, than my premise is obviously faulty.

If he has 2 years left, they just lost Boogie to FA and he indicates he wants out, 2018 is the time to trade him. They'd maximize their return. It's a tiny chance (10%, maybe), but constitutes as our best path at adding a legitimate MVP candidate IMO.

Basketball Insiders has that last year down as a player option:
http://www.basketballinsiders.com/new-orleans-pelicans-team-salary/

[Captain_Caveman]

I am dreaming of a scenario where we trade for Butler and free up enough cap room for Hayward, without having to actually use it, ultimately getting him via sign-and-trade... allowing us to then trade for Griffin.

Way too many moving parts, and would need both Hayward and Griffin to put a gun in their current teams' mouths, but let's say it happens in three parts.

1. A delayed draft night trade for Butler involving Nets 2017, Crowder, and a fully-guaranteed Zeller, not to be consummated until after Hayward trade.

2. Smart, Memphis pick, and Amir and Jerebko on Bogans contracts for Hayward.

3. Clippers pick, Bradley, resigned Olynyk and Yabu for Griffin.

IT
Butler/Rozier
Hayward/Jaylen
Griffin
Horford/Zizic