All Things 2017 Draft

[rochrist]

I was going to suggest Brown + 17 or 17 + 18 for Porzingis but I thought people would freak out saying it was too much for him haha. I think/hope there's an opportunity to steal a generational player. We have an awesome combo of crazy owner, bad GM who is on the hot seat and disgruntled player.

It is too much. Porzingis is not a generational player. Seriously? A generational player?

He got drafted to a terrible franchise with the worst owner in the league, incompetent GM and coach and a "star" who doesn't care about winning. Despite that it's abundantly clear that he is a major talent. He put up 18/7, 2 blocks and knocked down 36% of his 3's as a 21 year old. Put him in a better organization and he could really flourish. He's 7'3'' with 7'6'' wingspan the guy is a monster.

Judging by what I read online, I'm pretty sure that are at least 50 'top 5' guys in the league at this point.

[Celtics_History_Lesson]

PLAYER, SCHOOL
Bam Adebayo, Kentucky
Andrew Jones, Texas*
Rawle Alkins, Arizona*
Luke Kennard, Duke
Jarrett Allen, Texas
Kyle Kuzma, Utah*
Kadeem Allen, Arizona
T.J. Leaf, UCLA
Ike Anigbogu, UCLA
Tyler Lydon, Syracuse
OG Anunoby, Indiana
Lauri Markkanen, Arizona
Dwayne Bacon, Florida State
Frank Mason, Kansas
Lonzo Ball, UCLA
Kennedy Meeks, North Carolina
Jordan Bell, Oregon
Eric Mika, BYU*
Jaron Blossomgame, Clemson
Donovan Mitchell, Louisville*
Tony Bradley, North Carolina*
Monte Morris, Iowa State
Isaiah Briscoe, Kentucky
Malik Monk, Kentucky
Dillon Brooks, Oregon
Johnathan Motley, Baylor*
Thomas Bryant, Indiana*
Semi Ojeleye, SMU*
John Collins, Wake Forest
Cam Oliver, Nevada*
Zach Collins, Gonzaga
Justin Patton, Creighton
Hamidou Diallo, Kentucky*
Davon Reed, Miami
Tyler Dorsey, Oregon
Devin Robinson, Florida
Damyean Dotson, Houston
Kobi Simmons, Arizona
P.J. Dozier, South Carolina
Dennis Smith Jr., N.C. State
Jawun Evans, Oklahoma State
Edmond Sumner, Xavier
De'Aaron Fox, Kentucky
Caleb Swanigan, Purdue*
Markelle Fultz, Washington
Jayson Tatum, Duke
Harry Giles, Duke
Sindarius Thornwell, South Carolina
Josh Hart, Villanova
Melo Trimble, Maryland
Isaiah Hicks, North Carolina
Moritz Wagner, Michigan*
Jonathan Isaac, Florida State
Thomas Welsh, UCLA
Wesley Iwundu, Kansas State
Derrick White, Colorado
Frank Jackson, Duke*
Nigel Williams-Goss, Gonzaga
Josh Jackson, Kansas
D.J. Wilson, Michigan*
Justin Jackson, Maryland*
Omer Yurtseven, NC State*
Justin Jackson, North Carolina

>> Alternates: Deng Adel (Louisville), Chris Boucher (Oregon),
Trevon Bluiett (Xavier), L.J. Peak (Georgetown), Derrick Walton (Michigan)

http://www.espn.com.au/nba/story/_/id/19273805/nba-invites-more-60-players-draft-combine

The who might be invited to pre-draft camp list, an unofficial list.

"Kobe" Ball won't be there, he is doing a "Kobe", fool is hiding and tricking and probably breaking NBA rules because he doesn't want to be a Net and only wants the Lakers, just like Kobe. Lonzo, not a name you want Ainge selecting.

If someone isn't on the list, that makes them a sleeper or a foreign player, or someone who isn't very good.

[GoodVibezin]

I like him, but no way he's the only one. Not even top 5.

I can think of 5 players as good as Giannis but not a single player better suited for the Celtics.

[return2glory]

Lonzo is going to be a transcendent team offensive player, the way Bird was, the way Smart is on defense.

Wow!

That's a huge comparison. Bird was one of the greatest players of all time.

Ball is being compared to a poor man's Jason Kidd.

I was a fan of Ball before the Tournament started. But he showed very little heart in his last game. Fox destroyed him in that game. With that and the influence his dad can possibility have on him and all this talk about being a Laker, I would stay away. Give me Fultz or Josh Jackson.

[return2glory]

I like him, but no way he's the only one. Not even top 5.

I can think of 5 players as good as Giannis but not a single player better suited for the Celtics.

I would say Durant and Anthony Davis off the top of my head. But it's close. I see your point. Giannis would be amazing for the Celtics.

[GoodVibezin]

I like him, but no way he's the only one. Not even top 5.

I can think of 5 players as good as Giannis but not a single player better suited for the Celtics.

I would say Durant and Anthony Davis off the top of my head. But it's close. I see your point. Giannis was be amazing for the Celtics.

I was referring to a player who is actually possible to acquire!

Though Davis and Horford together would be sweet.

[Andrew McCeltic]

Lonzo is going to be a transcendent team offensive player, the way Bird was, the way Smart is on defense.

Wow!

That's a huge comparison. Bird was one of the greatest players of all time.

Ball is being compared to a poor man's Jason Kidd.

I was a fan of Ball before the Tournament started. But he showed very little heart in his last game. Fox destroyed him in that game. With that and the influence his dad can possibility have on him and all this talk about being a Laker, I would stay away. Give me Fultz or Josh Jackson.

Sorry, I meant it was a similarity in kind, type, not in degree. Bird just demonstrates that so well, I used him as an example. Ball doesn't look like a poor man's Kidd to me, though, he looks like he can be Kidd level or better.

[galipeautim]

I can think of 5 players as good as Giannis but not a single player better suited for the Celtics.

I would say Durant and Anthony Davis off the top of my head. But it's close. I see your point. Giannis was be amazing for the Celtics.

I was referring to a player who is actually possible to acquire!

Though Davis and Horford together would be sweet.

Giannis is not possible to acquire...there is no way Milwaukee trades him. Add a couple free agents and Jabari Parker to that team and they are both fun and formidable.

[Fencer reregistered]

Best case: we roll the 1, New York the 3, and they deal Porzingis to trade up for Fultz. Trading down from 2 or 3 to 7, or trading out for KP and the Knicks' 2018 1st, then signing Hayward or dealing for George - rebuild done.

How can you possibly imagine that it would be a good idea for the Celtics to trade the #1 overall for the #3 overall and a young big man.

Oh, wait ...

Seriously, Chief was not as well thought of at the time as Porzingis is now. And even back then we threw in another pretty high pick. So the details of your fantasy are a bit out of control.

[Disinformation]

It seems like Fultz is (more or less) the consensus #1 guy this year.

Based on how each player was viewed at the time they were drafted, how does he stack up against the past ten #1 overall picks?

Greg Oden
Derrick Rose
Blake Griffin
John Wall
Kyrie Irving
Anthony Davis
Anthony Bennett
Andrew Wiggins
Karl-Anthony Towns
Ben Simmons

[Cornbread]

It seems like Fultz is (more or less) the consensus #1 guy this year.

Based on how each player was viewed at the time they were drafted, how does he stack up against the past ten #1 overall picks?

Greg Oden
Derrick Rose
Blake Griffin
John Wall
Kyrie Irving
Anthony Davis
Anthony Bennett
Andrew Wiggins
Karl-Anthony Towns
Ben Simmons

Below Oden, Davis, and Towns. Similar or better than the others.

[31to6]

It seems like Fultz is (more or less) the consensus #1 guy this year.

Based on how each player was viewed at the time they were drafted, how does he stack up against the past ten #1 overall picks?

Greg Oden
Derrick Rose
Blake Griffin
John Wall
Kyrie Irving
Anthony Davis
Anthony Bennett
Andrew Wiggins
Karl-Anthony Towns
Ben Simmons

Below Oden, Davis, and Towns. Similar or better than the others.

It's a nice question -- fits right in with Irving, Wall, and Rose in terms of expectations IMO.

Too bad TERRY ROZIER has made him irrelevant! (jk) (I don't know what the hell we're going to do with all our smalls)

[brackdan70]

It seems like Fultz is (more or less) the consensus #1 guy this year.

Based on how each player was viewed at the time they were drafted, how does he stack up against the past ten #1 overall picks?

Greg Oden
Derrick Rose
Blake Griffin
John Wall
Kyrie Irving
Anthony Davis
Anthony Bennett
Andrew Wiggins
Karl-Anthony Towns
Ben Simmons

Below Oden, Davis, and Towns. Similar or better than the others.

It's a nice question -- fits right in with Irving, Wall, and Rose in terms of expectations IMO.

Too bad TERRY ROZIER has made him irrelevant! (jk) (I don't know what the hell we're going to do with all our smalls)

Rozier can be a stretch 4.

[31to6]

he stretches 4 those boards!

[soxfan2003]

It seems like Fultz is (more or less) the consensus #1 guy this year.

Based on how each player was viewed at the time they were drafted, how does he stack up against the past ten #1 overall picks?

Greg Oden
Derrick Rose
Blake Griffin
John Wall
Kyrie Irving
Anthony Davis
Anthony Bennett
Andrew Wiggins
Karl-Anthony Towns
Ben Simmons

Tough to say but one could make the argument at the time these players were drafted only Bennett (way way below since some folks had him going around 10th...) and Irving (somewhat below because of such a short college season) rated below him.

IMHO Oden and Davis ranked way higher. Rose ranked higher. Griffin ranked higher. Wall was a blur coming out of college and just a super athlete that a lot of folks thought would translate into the NBA. Given his team did well too, just can't picture Wall for all of his rawness going lower than Fultz who has the smoothness to his game but at the end of the day still struggled from free throw line. I actually see Simmons going ahead of him as well because of his size and ballhandling skills. A bad Lebron James type of player can still be pretty darn good. I could be wrong with how the pundits were rating Simmons but he did receive a lot of hype during college season.

Honestly, the only two besides Bennett and Irving, I see Fultz arguably going ahead of are Towns and Wiggins. I see those 2 as fairly close calls and I suspect may be determined by Fultz individual workouts....assuming he does them.

I am not trying to rule out Fultz being a great player and the only 2 players I see on draft day as having way higher trade value than Fultz are Oden and Davis but I think this draft heading into it is considered as having a worse than average #1 pick but less of a drop off than some years after that pick.

This is probably the reason there just wasn't all out tanking by some teams. It wasn't a Duncan type draft when the next guy KVH was perceived to be about 5 levels down from him.

[Moobydoo]

I can think of 5 players as good as Giannis but not a single player better suited for the Celtics.

I would say Durant and Anthony Davis off the top of my head. But it's close. I see your point. Giannis was be amazing for the Celtics.

I was referring to a player who is actually possible to acquire!

Though Davis and Horford together would be sweet.

No one is getting the Freak, you could put both Bkn picks on the table and they would reject it.

Zinger aint going to be offered up either (you would think) but it is New York so there is always the chance that there will be some bust up that changes things. If you could get ZInger for just a Bkn pick - you'd be all over it.

In reality - we are still in the zone where unless we are going to overpay, our best chance is to ride the lottery ....if we get the #1 ...can't see Danny doing anything other than using it. Anything else could come into play.

[Andrew McCeltic]

Best case: we roll the 1, New York the 3, and they deal Porzingis to trade up for Fultz. Trading down from 2 or 3 to 7, or trading out for KP and the Knicks' 2018 1st, then signing Hayward or dealing for George - rebuild done.

How can you possibly imagine that it would be a good idea for the Celtics to trade the #1 overall for the #3 overall and a young big man.

Oh, wait ...

Seriously, Chief was not as well thought of at the time as Porzingis is now. And even back then we threw in another pretty high pick. So the details of your fantasy are a bit out of control.

Let them say no. Doesn't hurt to ask.

Parish equivalent would be, like, Detroit rolls 3 and packages it with Drummond to get Fultz.

[Wes-J]

Yah I think I'm over the whole Ball situation and the potential circus that would bring here. Not even interested @4 anymore. If someone wants Ball @4 then lets do the deal without sliding down too far in the draft. I'll take the kid that roasted him. Guess I'm not much for BigBallerBrand in Boston.

1. Fultz 2. Jackson 3. Fox 4. Monk/Isaac

[SmartWentCrazy]

It seems like Fultz is (more or less) the consensus #1 guy this year.

Based on how each player was viewed at the time they were drafted, how does he stack up against the past ten #1 overall picks?

Greg Oden
Derrick Rose
Blake Griffin
John Wall
Kyrie Irving
Anthony Davis
Anthony Bennett
Andrew Wiggins
Karl-Anthony Towns
Ben Simmons

Greg Oden-worse
Derrick Rose-better
Blake Griffin-better
John Wall-worse
Kyrie Irving-better
Anthony Davis-worse
Anthony Bennett-better
Andrew Wiggins-worse
Karl-Anthony Towns-worse
Ben Simmons-equal/better

Oden, Wall and AD were seen as franchise guys at the time of the draft and above Fultz. KAT and Wiggins were seen as better, too.

He's clearly better than Bennett. I have him above Rose and Griffin-- neither draft was seen as particularly strong at that time. Kyrie didn't play enough so Fultz is above him too. He's on the same tier as Simmons for me, with a slight preference for Fultz because he can actually shoot the basketball.

He's an average caliber first overall pick from the past decade, IMO.

[pasfru]

It seems like Fultz is (more or less) the consensus #1 guy this year.

Based on how each player was viewed at the time they were drafted, how does he stack up against the past ten #1 overall picks?

Greg Oden
Derrick Rose
Blake Griffin
John Wall
Kyrie Irving
Anthony Davis
Anthony Bennett
Andrew Wiggins
Karl-Anthony Towns
Ben Simmons

Not really.

From everything we've heard, execs are split on Fultz and Lonzo for the top pick.