Gordon Hayward Thread

3D Chess · Post #1721 » by **3D Chess** » Fri Jan 31, 2020 3:39 pm

31to6 · Post #1722 » by **31to6** » Fri Jan 31, 2020 4:48 pm

If this guy hadn't gotten hurt it would've been an interesting last few years.

(wonder what the dynamic with Kyrie would've been like)

zoyathedestroya · Post #1723 » by **zoyathedestroya** » Fri Jan 31, 2020 5:03 pm

If Tatum or Brown were shooting above average from every spot on the floor, had 50/40/90 shooting splits for the past month, and near the top at efficiency on every offensive play type, we'd be declaring them an All-NBA type player already. Just facts.

Instead, his selfless play is being touted as not being aggressive enough while in the same breath saying he's holding back the development of his young teammates.

5InOfLouisville · Post #1724 » by **5InOfLouisville** » Fri Jan 31, 2020 5:28 pm

zoyathedestroya wrote:If Tatum or Brown were shooting above average from every spot on the floor, had 50/40/90 shooting splits for the past month, and near the top at efficiency on every offensive play type, we'd be declaring them an All-NBA type player already. Just facts.

Instead, his selfless play is being touted as not being aggressive enough while in the same breath saying he's holding back the development of his young teammates.

Seems like a fair take. JB and JT have likely been told that their role is to attack. Kemba picks his spots. And Gordo has to give the game what it needs when it needs it. A lot more thought and feel involved...probably the most difficult role on the team.

GuyClinch · Post #1725 » by **GuyClinch** » Fri Jan 31, 2020 8:21 pm

zoyathedestroya wrote:If Tatum or Brown were shooting above average from every spot on the floor, had 50/40/90 shooting splits for the past month, and near the top at efficiency on every offensive play type, we'd be declaring them an All-NBA type player already. Just facts.

Instead, his selfless play is being touted as not being aggressive enough while in the same breath saying he's holding back the development of his young teammates.

Agree for the most part. Problem with Hayward is that on some nights he doesn't seem to have 'it' - that extra little bit of athleticism and skill that makes you the best player on the court. I think he is still diminished by his injury on those nights. But then sometimes he seems to have got it - and plays chill out mode anyway..

We need to see more super star like performances out of him.. That has been his let down.. Is the extra gear still there? It's not quite a Len Bias disaster - but the injury was still horrendous.

Now you might say oh Tatum and Brown are the same - but not really. With both of them we have faith the raw physicality is there - even if they are playing like ****. Brown went through an awful stretch but every fan thinks that's okay he will straighten it out. The guy is strong as an ox and can jump out of the gym..

Hayward its like "eh...that was pretty athletic but he still missed.." So for Hayward its not clear the athletic potential is still there. That's in part why he suffers on the boards. The injury ruined his upside in the eyes of most fans..

Hayward plays a clean smart game - he makes great decision. He shoots decently can pass and rebound. His defense has been respectable IMHO. But his "this guy is taking over' moments have not really happened enough. And that matters in the NBA. The refs have to believe that a player is superior so he can get the reputation calls.

When Hayward gets hacked and misses a layup - refs are like - well its Hayward - he is old and injured..

Celts17Pride · Post #1726 » by **Celts17Pride** » Fri Jan 31, 2020 8:28 pm

Only on Celtics RealGM forum can a player be a near 50/40/90 shooter and is a selfless team player and that be view as a negative thing. :lol:

FlatearthZorro · Post #1727 » by **FlatearthZorro** » Fri Jan 31, 2020 10:53 pm

Hayward is definitely the best offensive player on our team. There's no doubt there. Dude is elite on offense when he's healthy. Everything he does seems easy.

GuyClinch · Post #1728 » by **GuyClinch** » Sat Feb 1, 2020 11:30 pm

FlatearthZorro wrote:Hayward is definitely the best offensive player on our team. There's no doubt there. Dude is elite on offense when he's healthy. Everything he does seems easy.

It does seem easy but he doesn't seem to really play very aggressively.. Whereas Tatum, Kemba and Brown have all really kicked it up on occasion..

MrGreenRunsDeep · Post #1729 » by **MrGreenRunsDeep** » Sun Feb 2, 2020 4:11 am

Played soft and ugly tonight ..

100proof · Post #1730 » by **100proof** » Sun Feb 2, 2020 4:20 am

Hayward is not needed.

There said it

Floody100 · Post #1731 » by **Floody100** » Sun Feb 2, 2020 4:21 am

100proof wrote:Hayward is not needed.

There said it

+22 for Mr Hayward.
Enough said.

Curmudgeon · Post #1732 » by **Curmudgeon** » Sun Feb 2, 2020 4:22 am

His floor game was ok. His defense was average. Everyone is entitled to a bad game. Tatum had a few earlier in the season. What you worry about is the foot bothering him after so many games.

100proof · Post #1733 » by **100proof** » Sun Feb 2, 2020 4:39 am

Floody100 wrote:
100proof wrote:Hayward is not needed.

There said it

+22 for Mr Hayward.
Enough said.

Reaching to cite plus minus as justification.

Floody100 · Post #1734 » by **Floody100** » Sun Feb 2, 2020 4:45 am

100proof wrote:
Floody100 wrote:
100proof wrote:Hayward is not needed.

There said it

+22 for Mr Hayward.
Enough said.

Reaching to cite plus minus as justification.

Yes because it’s a pretty good indication on how he played. Shots weren’t falling but that happens.
You seem to have forgotten he was our best player the last 2 games.

Red2 · Post #1735 » by **Red2** » Sun Feb 2, 2020 4:48 am

Tough shooting night for Gordo

GuyClinch · Post #1736 » by **GuyClinch** » Sun Feb 2, 2020 8:23 am

I love Hayward - but just doesn't seem to have 'it' on occasion. Just lacks that extra little something and plays very passive. It's like he can't wait to get rid of the ball. Missed a couple of makeable shots and then kinda gave up..

exculpatory · Post #1737 » by **exculpatory** » Sun Feb 2, 2020 8:43 am

GuyClinch wrote:I love Hayward - but he just doesn't seem to have 'it' on occasion, e.g. today.
Just lacks that extra little something and plays very passiveLY. It's like he can't wait to get rid of the ball. Missed a couple of makeable shots in the first half and then kinda gave up in the second half.

Precisely.

Soulcatcher33 · Post #1738 » by **Soulcatcher33** » Sun Feb 2, 2020 10:39 am

GuyClinch wrote:I love Hayward - but just doesn't seem to have 'it' on occasion. Just lacks that extra little something and plays very passive. It's like he can't wait to get rid of the ball. Missed a couple of makeable shots and then kinda gave up..

Yeah... it's called a bad game. Superstars have them too you know. I'm not sure why it's this big thing when ever Hayward has one. It's like you are all eager to bitch and whine about something. Ugh.

exculpatory · Post #1739 » by **exculpatory** » Sun Feb 2, 2020 11:52 am

Soulcatcher33 wrote:
GuyClinch wrote:I love Hayward - but just doesn't seem to have 'it' on occasion. Just lacks that extra little something and plays very passive. It's like he can't wait to get rid of the ball. Missed a couple of makeable shots and then kinda gave up..

Yeah... it's called a bad game. Superstars have them too you know. I'm not sure why it's this big thing when ever Hayward has one. It's like you are all eager to bitch and whine about something. Ugh.

I love Hayward & he has been awesome & is our true X factor.
I realize that he had an isolated bad shooting night.
I am a perfectionist in many ways.
I am overly sensitive about him lapsing into passive play because of his previous history with us.

Soulcatcher33 · Post #1740 » by **Soulcatcher33** » Sun Feb 2, 2020 12:55 pm