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Post#1721 » by Bad-Thoma » Sun Jul 23, 2023 7:09 pm

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zoyathedestroya wrote:I honestly don't know what the big deal is. If you're already offering the supermax, give JB the player option already. It's not unusual to cede that to the player.



I genuinely believe that Brown just wants the drama and is entirely the reasoning for the delay in the signing.


Wants to come off as the alpha of the deal. Wa ts his name in the media. Wants to be talked about.


That's a less than generous take. I don't think there's any drama here other than the stuff impatient fans make up to explain why it's not done already. All the other things jaylen is involved with this summer have been well documented, I think it's more that they know it will get done and aren't rushing things.
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Post#1722 » by Bill Lumbergh » Sun Jul 23, 2023 7:43 pm

Larry_Russell wrote:
zoyathedestroya wrote:I honestly don't know what the big deal is. If you're already offering the supermax, give JB the player option already. It's not unusual to cede that to the player.



I genuinely believe that Brown just wants the drama and is entirely the reasoning for the delay in the signing.


Wants to come off as the alpha of the deal. Wa ts his name in the media. Wants to be talked about.

He can have his moment in the sun. He's still getting traded next summer.
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Post#1723 » by poopship » Sun Jul 23, 2023 8:04 pm

I'm with Cedric Maxwell. You sign that max contract the second it's on the table. You go out walking or take a damn shower and you might injure yourself. Just take the 270-305 millions or whatever it is, wtf. The risks!
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Post#1724 » by Darthlukey » Sun Jul 23, 2023 8:19 pm

Bad-Thoma wrote:
Larry_Russell wrote:
zoyathedestroya wrote:I honestly don't know what the big deal is. If you're already offering the supermax, give JB the player option already. It's not unusual to cede that to the player.



I genuinely believe that Brown just wants the drama and is entirely the reasoning for the delay in the signing.


Wants to come off as the alpha of the deal. Wa ts his name in the media. Wants to be talked about.


That's a less than generous take. I don't think there's any drama here other than the stuff impatient fans make up to explain why it's not done already. All the other things jaylen is involved with this summer have been well documented, I think it's more that they know it will get done and aren't rushing things.

I'll be pissed if it's over a player option. Take the damn deal, all 5 years.
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Post#1725 » by Curmudgeon » Sun Jul 23, 2023 10:04 pm

Brown hasn't been traded yet?
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Post#1726 » by Hal14 » Mon Jul 24, 2023 1:31 am

FWIW, the bulls went 27-18 in the 21-22 season with Javonte in the starting lineup.

In games he didn't start, they went 19-18.
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Post#1727 » by Triple7 » Mon Jul 24, 2023 4:37 am

Boring! Lol
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Post#1728 » by steefP2 » Mon Jul 24, 2023 4:46 am

NuckyPowell wrote:
Larry_Russell wrote:
zoyathedestroya wrote:I honestly don't know what the big deal is. If you're already offering the supermax, give JB the player option already. It's not unusual to cede that to the player.



I genuinely believe that Brown just wants the drama and is entirely the reasoning for the delay in the signing.


Wants to come off as the alpha of the deal. Wa ts his name in the media. Wants to be talked about.

He can have his moment in the sun. He's still getting traded next summer.




Well the longer he waits; the less likely he’ll be traded next off season. Remember; it’s a full 365 days he can’t be traded after singing the extension; so if he signs august 1st this summer; he can only be traded august 2nd next summer. After the majority of stuff is done. Maybe he waits till training camp because of that. I don’t think that’s what’s going on but it’s a 5% possibility
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Post#1729 » by Bill Lumbergh » Mon Jul 24, 2023 4:50 am

steefP2 wrote:
NuckyPowell wrote:
Larry_Russell wrote:

I genuinely believe that Brown just wants the drama and is entirely the reasoning for the delay in the signing.


Wants to come off as the alpha of the deal. Wa ts his name in the media. Wants to be talked about.

He can have his moment in the sun. He's still getting traded next summer.




Well the longer he waits; the less likely he’ll be traded next off season. Remember; it’s a full 365 days he can’t be traded after singing the extension; so if he signs august 1st this summer; he can only be traded august 2nd next summer. After the majority of stuff is done. Maybe he waits till training camp because of that. I don’t think that’s what’s going on but it’s a 5% possibility

I had not considered that. I have no idea what the hold up is.
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Post#1730 » by OldCeltics » Mon Jul 24, 2023 5:46 am

Some of yall are smoking crack. Brown isn't worth 1/3rd billion dollars. That is just silly. 135 million over 5 years is pushing it. 300+ million is insane, and will kill this franchise.
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Post#1731 » by steefP2 » Mon Jul 24, 2023 6:01 am

OldCeltics wrote:Some of yall are smoking crack. Brown isn't worth 1/3rd billion dollars. That is just silly. 135 million over 5 years is pushing it. 300+ million is insane, and will kill this franchise.



Im just gonna prepare you for the Derrick white extension, cause that's gonna be similar value to 135/5 in annual money.

A normal max for Jaylen, aka 30% instead of 35% of the cap is still, 255 mil or smth close. I get it, sticker shock is big and its only gonna get bigger.

We have a 136 mil cap this coming season.

in 5-6 years, that could be 200 mil.

in 5 years, max extension are gonna pay guys 1 mil per game. And i'd rather see every penny of that in player's hands, who i like to watch, than the billionaire owners.
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Post#1732 » by Bill Lumbergh » Mon Jul 24, 2023 7:18 am

steefP2 wrote:
OldCeltics wrote:Some of yall are smoking crack. Brown isn't worth 1/3rd billion dollars. That is just silly. 135 million over 5 years is pushing it. 300+ million is insane, and will kill this franchise.



Im just gonna prepare you for the Derrick white extension, cause that's gonna be similar value to 135/5 in annual money.

A normal max for Jaylen, aka 30% instead of 35% of the cap is still, 255 mil or smth close. I get it, sticker shock is big and its only gonna get bigger.

We have a 136 mil cap this coming season.

in 5-6 years, that could be 200 mil.

in 5 years, max extension are gonna pay guys 1 mil per game. And i'd rather see every penny of that in player's hands, who i like to watch, than the billionaire owners.

My allegiance is to the team, not the players, most of whom come and go. I don't really care about owners' money, or players' money. Whatever is best for my team is what I want, and as far as contracts go, that means having guys that are perceived as good value on their contracts. If a guy is perceived as good value, you can move off even an enormous contract and still return good value. If he's perceived as a bad contract, you may have to add assets just to move off him. I think Jaylen at 35% of the cap will be perceived as a bad contract, but time will tell.
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Post#1733 » by zoyathedestroya » Mon Jul 24, 2023 11:14 am

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I guess this is in the context of the discussion about winning more titles? (i.e. Wade playing with Shaq and Lebron)? Do you agree? If yes, who is Tatum’s other GOAT if he even makes it to top 100 all-time.
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Post#1734 » by steefP2 » Mon Jul 24, 2023 11:27 am

zoyathedestroya wrote:
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I guess this is in the context of the discussion about winning more titles? (i.e. Wade playing with Shaq and Lebron)? Do you agree? If yes, who is Tatum’s other GOAT if he even makes it to top 100 all-time.



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Post#1735 » by 165bows » Mon Jul 24, 2023 11:33 am

steefP2 wrote:
OldCeltics wrote:Some of yall are smoking crack. Brown isn't worth 1/3rd billion dollars. That is just silly. 135 million over 5 years is pushing it. 300+ million is insane, and will kill this franchise.



Im just gonna prepare you for the Derrick white extension, cause that's gonna be similar value to 135/5 in annual money.

A normal max for Jaylen, aka 30% instead of 35% of the cap is still, 255 mil or smth close. I get it, sticker shock is big and its only gonna get bigger.

We have a 136 mil cap this coming season.

in 5-6 years, that could be 200 mil.

in 5 years, max extension are gonna pay guys 1 mil per game. And i'd rather see every penny of that in player's hands, who i like to watch, than the billionaire owners.

Idk if they lock Derrick White up until he's 35 - he's under contract with the team this year and next, his age 29-30 seasons. 3 years gtd with a team option imo.
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Post#1736 » by steefP2 » Mon Jul 24, 2023 11:46 am

165bows wrote:
steefP2 wrote:
OldCeltics wrote:Some of yall are smoking crack. Brown isn't worth 1/3rd billion dollars. That is just silly. 135 million over 5 years is pushing it. 300+ million is insane, and will kill this franchise.



Im just gonna prepare you for the Derrick white extension, cause that's gonna be similar value to 135/5 in annual money.

A normal max for Jaylen, aka 30% instead of 35% of the cap is still, 255 mil or smth close. I get it, sticker shock is big and its only gonna get bigger.

We have a 136 mil cap this coming season.

in 5-6 years, that could be 200 mil.

in 5 years, max extension are gonna pay guys 1 mil per game. And i'd rather see every penny of that in player's hands, who i like to watch, than the billionaire owners.

Idk if they lock Derrick White up until he's 35 - he's under contract with the team this year and next, his age 29-30 seasons. 3 years gtd with a team option imo.



Yeah I don’t think he’s getting 5; I just meant his aav on his next contract could have similar annual value as the 135 over 5 does. I wouldn’t be surprised if he gets anywhere from 3/90 to 3/110 for example
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Post#1737 » by Larry_Russell » Mon Jul 24, 2023 12:39 pm

Curmudgeon wrote:Brown hasn't been traded yet?



sigh....no...

fingers crossed it happens this week.
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Post#1738 » by darrendaye » Mon Jul 24, 2023 2:11 pm

Pritchard clearly prepping for a Brogdon trade and working on running an offense. :evil: :wink:

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Post#1739 » by steefP2 » Mon Jul 24, 2023 2:18 pm

For everyone wanting Jaylen to be traded; let me just offer a realistic reason it’s not gonna happen (aside from Brad doesn’t want to). Jaylen doesn’t want to be traded since we’re the only team that can offer him the full supermax or the full 5 years. So if Jaylen doesn’t want to be traded; his agent and him can just let it be known he won’t resign with anyone trading for him. So why would anyone trade for him, it’s the same thing that’s happening with siakam.

Nobody is gonna offer anything of value for a Jaylen telling teams he’s not staying and Brad isn’t trading him him scraps.

You might not like it but we’re brown will be on this team for at least a year and probably 2.
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Post#1740 » by celtxman » Mon Jul 24, 2023 2:39 pm

steefP2 wrote:For everyone wanting Jaylen to be traded; let me just offer a realistic reason it’s not gonna happen (aside from Brad doesn’t want to). Jaylen doesn’t want to be traded since we’re the only team that can offer him the full supermax or the full 5 years. So if Jaylen doesn’t want to be traded; his agent and him can just let it be known he won’t resign with anyone trading for him. So why would anyone trade for him, it’s the same thing that’s happening with siakam.

Nobody is gonna offer anything of value for a Jaylen telling teams he’s not staying and Brad isn’t trading him him scraps.

You might not like it but we’re brown will be on this team for at least a year and probably 2.
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