Free Agent, Trade, Buyout, Extension & Conversion Thread, 2025 con't

[Celts17Pride]

without brown you are pulling a spurs getting Duncan move.

So trade Brown and hope for a once in a lifetime chance on a draft pick. Yikes!

[Curmudgeon]

Meh. That's overly dramatic. The Celtics without Brown are still a 45 win team. The Celtics without Jrue and Porzingis are a 45 win team unless they get nothing back. Now if they trade White, that may put them in the lottery.

[Celts17Pride]

Meh. That's overly dramatic. The Celtics without Brown are still a 45 win team. The Celtics without Jrue and Porzingis are a 45 win team unless they get nothing back. Now if they trade White, that may put them in the lottery.

These Celtics without Tatum are a 45 win team. What's the point?

Now if they trade White, that may put them in the lottery.

Talk about being overly dramatic

[Curmudgeon]

Meh. That's overly dramatic. The Celtics without Brown are still a 45 win team. The Celtics without Jrue and Porzingis are a 45 win team unless they get nothing back. Now if they trade White, that may put them in the lottery.

These Celtics without Tatum are a 45 win team. What's the point?

To have a contending team when Tatum gets back.
There is no Tim Duncan in the 2026 draft unless you think AJ Dybantsa is that good, which I don't. So what's the point of being terrible in 2025-26?

[Celts17Pride]

Meh. That's overly dramatic. The Celtics without Brown are still a 45 win team. The Celtics without Jrue and Porzingis are a 45 win team unless they get nothing back. Now if they trade White, that may put them in the lottery.

These Celtics without Tatum are a 45 win team. What's the point?

To have a contending team when Tatum gets back.
There is no Tim Duncan in the 2026 draft unless you think AJ Dybantsa is that good, which I don't. So what's the point of being terrible in 2025-26?

I agree.

[The Corey's]

Meh. That's overly dramatic. The Celtics without Brown are still a 45 win team. The Celtics without Jrue and Porzingis are a 45 win team unless they get nothing back. Now if they trade White, that may put them in the lottery.

These Celtics without Tatum are a 45 win team. What's the point?

To have a contending team when Tatum gets back.
There is no Tim Duncan in the 2026 draft unless you think AJ Dybantsa is that good, which I don't. So what's the point of being terrible in 2025-26?

You're only a 45 win team in this scenario with a legitimate coach.

They don't have that.

Time to tank.

[Larry_Russell]

without brown you are pulling a spurs getting Duncan move.

So trade Brown and hope for a once in a lifetime chance on a draft pick. Yikes!

Sure. You have 2 kicks at it.

This year ar #2 and next years draft.

Its the smart move. As opposed to paying a quarter of a billion dollars for a play im team with no room to operate.

[Larry_Russell]

Meh. That's overly dramatic. The Celtics without Brown are still a 45 win team. The Celtics without Jrue and Porzingis are a 45 win team unless they get nothing back. Now if they trade White, that may put them in the lottery.

These Celtics without Tatum are a 45 win team. What's the point?

Now if they trade White, that may put them in the lottery.

Talk about being overly dramatic

These celtics without tatum and without KP amd Jrue are a sub 40 win team.

[djFan71]

Meh. That's overly dramatic. The Celtics without Brown are still a 45 win team. The Celtics without Jrue and Porzingis are a 45 win team unless they get nothing back. Now if they trade White, that may put them in the lottery.

These Celtics without Tatum are a 45 win team. What's the point?

Now if they trade White, that may put them in the lottery.

Talk about being overly dramatic

These celtics without tatum and without KP amd Jrue are a sub 40 win team.

You know you get players back I trades, right? And they can be good ones.

[The Corey's]

These Celtics without Tatum are a 45 win team. What's the point?




Talk about being overly dramatic

These celtics without tatum and without KP amd Jrue are a sub 40 win team.

You know you get players back I trades, right? And they can be good ones.

I'm glad you brought this up.

What players are we bringing back at half the cost of the players were sending out that will keep us as competitive as we were prior to the trade?

They're cutting salary and by way, cutting wins. That's how it works.

Just commit to the tank. You'll thank me later.

[djFan71]

These celtics without tatum and without KP amd Jrue are a sub 40 win team.

You know you get players back I trades, right? And they can be good ones.

I'm glad you brought this up.

What players are we bringing back at half the cost of the players were sending out that will keep us as competitive as we were prior to the trade?

They're cutting salary and by way, cutting wins. That's how it works.

Just commit to the tank. You'll thank me later.

Sure, we'll lose more. But not sub 40, lol.
There are plenty of posts with ideas. But people skip those to argue about trading Brown or not, so, shrug.

You can end up with a set of 2-3 guys like WCJ, Terance Mann, Naji Marshall, Daniel Gafford, Rui, etc. Bring Kornet back. Al if he wants to. Something like this is doable and ducking the 2nd apron:

Pritchard, White, Brown, WCJ, Kornet
Scheierman, Mann, Marshall, Hauser, Queta
Walsh, Tillman, 28, JD

That team wins 45-50 games in the East easily.

[165bows]

These celtics without tatum and without KP amd Jrue are a sub 40 win team.

You know you get players back I trades, right? And they can be good ones.

I'm glad you brought this up.

What players are we bringing back at half the cost of the players were sending out that will keep us as competitive as we were prior to the trade?

They're cutting salary and by way, cutting wins. That's how it works.

Just commit to the tank. You'll thank me later.

Hard not to see it as an appealing option, or at least an option with appeal. Injuries, financial obstacles, draft potential, potential lack of tank teams, it's kind of hard not to see the opportunity sitting there for them.

I don't think they embrace it too much right away but might as the season goes on if things break that way.

Big issue there is Horford, and what happens with him.

[klemen44]

Should not be to hard to get under 2nd apron and still have good team.

1) Yes Holiday was big in 24 finals run, but he is overpayed and Prichatd is ready...so Holiday can be traded.

2) Hauser yes is great shooter, but just a role player, no problem trading his 10 million salary, easy job for Brad.

3) With or without Porzingis we still would win in 24...he is never healthy, get me a center back and all will be hapy.

The best solution is a holiday trade for Gaford and P. J. Washington.

Porzingis in any combination that returns you a lest amount of salary back.

Hauser is easy one, 10 million gone.

Prichard, white, brown, washington, Gaford

Thats 4th best team in east next season and if Tatum returns thats championship team.

[djFan71]

You know you get players back I trades, right? And they can be good ones.

I'm glad you brought this up.

What players are we bringing back at half the cost of the players were sending out that will keep us as competitive as we were prior to the trade?

They're cutting salary and by way, cutting wins. That's how it works.

Just commit to the tank. You'll thank me later.

Hard not to see it as an appealing option, or at least an option with appeal. Injuries, financial obstacles, draft potential, potential lack of tank teams, it's kind of hard not to see the opportunity sitting there for them.

I don't think they embrace it too much right away but might as the season goes on if things break that way.

Big issue there is Horford, and what happens with him.

It's appealing, but harder to bounce back from for 26-27.

Horford is big, but bigger is Brown. I don't see Brad trading him or White, or purposely getting bad guys back to tank. So, the team is going to be good whether we want it to be or not, imo. Rather than embrace the tank, I'm embracing the reset. Even though the tank does look sexy rolling down the street.

We may go even as far as fully ducking the tax which will indeed be a worse team, but still probably makes at least the play-in. If you're going to tank, you gotta do a Brown to ATL or SAS type move. I've even proposed some cuz I'm a trade machine addict, but I just don't see it realistically happening. And I don't think I want it to. I'd rather the pieces be there for Tatum when he's back - possibly 26 playoffs even, but definitely for 26-27.

[Larry_Russell]

These Celtics without Tatum are a 45 win team. What's the point?




Talk about being overly dramatic

These celtics without tatum and without KP amd Jrue are a sub 40 win team.

You know you get players back I trades, right? And they can be good ones.

Unless you trade brown for them....they according to that poster....they suck.

[Larry_Russell]

You know you get players back I trades, right? And they can be good ones.

I'm glad you brought this up.

What players are we bringing back at half the cost of the players were sending out that will keep us as competitive as we were prior to the trade?

They're cutting salary and by way, cutting wins. That's how it works.

Just commit to the tank. You'll thank me later.

Sure, we'll lose more. But not sub 40, lol.
There are plenty of posts with ideas. But people skip those to argue about trading Brown or not, so, shrug.

You can end up with a set of 2-3 guys like WCJ, Terance Mann, Naji Marshall, Daniel Gafford, Rui, etc. Bring Kornet back. Al if he wants to. Something like this is doable and ducking the 2nd apron:

Pritchard, White, Brown, WCJ, Kornet
Scheierman, Mann, Marshall, Hauser, Queta
Walsh, Tillman, 28, JD

That team wins 45-50 games in the East easily.

Sure. Get naji marshall amd gafford and rui and matbe you can still win more than 40.

But there is also a reason gafford and naji are backups and rui would be traded twice.

[Larry_Russell]

Should not be to hard to get under 2nd apron and still have good team.

1) Yes Holiday was big in 24 finals run, but he is overpayed and Prichatd is ready...so Holiday can be traded.

2) Hauser yes is great shooter, but just a role player, no problem trading his 10 million salary, easy job for Brad.

3) With or without Porzingis we still would win in 24...he is never healthy, get me a center back and all will be hapy.

The best solution is a holiday trade for Gaford and P. J. Washington.

Porzingis in any combination that returns you a lest amount of salary back.

Hauser is easy one, 10 million gone.

Prichard, white, brown, washington, Gaford

Thats 4th best team in east next season and if Tatum returns thats championship team.

Sure, an option is to trade for PJ and Gafford. A career bench player and a 5th starter on a playoff team. And then pay to offload klay (eho has to be included) and still dump Hauser then you are below apron.

The best option it to trade your most expensive piece, step back 1 year and reload around Tatum in 2026 with lots more cap flexibility.


Trade Jrue and KP for smaller pieces only kicks the can down thr road for 1 season regarding taxes and you are not winning a chip with that roster.

If Luka couldnt win with kyrie and those guys what makes you think Brown can exactly?

[djFan71]

I'm glad you brought this up.

What players are we bringing back at half the cost of the players were sending out that will keep us as competitive as we were prior to the trade?

They're cutting salary and by way, cutting wins. That's how it works.

Just commit to the tank. You'll thank me later.

Sure, we'll lose more. But not sub 40, lol.
There are plenty of posts with ideas. But people skip those to argue about trading Brown or not, so, shrug.

You can end up with a set of 2-3 guys like WCJ, Terance Mann, Naji Marshall, Daniel Gafford, Rui, etc. Bring Kornet back. Al if he wants to. Something like this is doable and ducking the 2nd apron:

Pritchard, White, Brown, WCJ, Kornet
Scheierman, Mann, Marshall, Hauser, Queta
Walsh, Tillman, 28, JD

That team wins 45-50 games in the East easily.

Sure. Get naji marshall amd gafford and rui and matbe you can still win more than 40.

But there is also a reason gafford and naji are backups and rui would be traded twice.

The goal actually isn't actually to win 40+ games or whatever, I think it's just the byproduct.

Imo, the goal is to reload with younger, cheaper quality guys that can fit financially on a roster with Tatum, Brown and White and draft/develop around them as well. All those guys are good, young and fairly cheap. They don't have to be high level starters. Gafford is a top 20ish center right now. Naji and Rui have more upside still and the type of guys you gotta gamble on in our position.

[Bill Lumbergh]

You know you get players back I trades, right? And they can be good ones.

I'm glad you brought this up.

What players are we bringing back at half the cost of the players were sending out that will keep us as competitive as we were prior to the trade?

They're cutting salary and by way, cutting wins. That's how it works.

Just commit to the tank. You'll thank me later.

Sure, we'll lose more. But not sub 40, lol.
There are plenty of posts with ideas. But people skip those to argue about trading Brown or not, so, shrug.

You can end up with a set of 2-3 guys like WCJ, Terance Mann, Naji Marshall, Daniel Gafford, Rui, etc. Bring Kornet back. Al if he wants to. Something like this is doable and ducking the 2nd apron:

Pritchard, White, Brown, WCJ, Kornet
Scheierman, Mann, Marshall, Hauser, Queta
Walsh, Tillman, 28, JD

That team wins 45-50 games in the East easily.

I don't know, eye of the beholder and all, but that roster looks more like a 38ish win team. I'm okay with being crappy for a year if it means getting out of cap hell. I think being a play-in team and this being a bridge year is a likely scenario.

Cannot wait for this off-season to play out. I do expect Brad to set us up for success in a couple of years, but that next year won't be pretty. Uglier than some on here are expecting. As always, we shall see.

Such a weird off-season. Seems like everything is on the table, from drastic changes, up to and including trading Brown and getting under the tax entirely, to changing as little as possible while still dipping below the second apron. Much depends on what kind of offers Brad is looking at. It's gonna be wild.

[Fierce1]

45-50 wins and the 4th seed is not bad.

Since JT is out until February, this will be Mazzulla-Ball all the way.

We will now find out how good the system is.

If the Celtics are just a .500 team without JT, that means JT is more significant than Mazzulla-Ball.

So this is the real test for Joe.