Trade Thread 2017: Not Once, Not twice, But Thrice!

[ConstableGeneva]

This thread's starting to get in desperation mode.

In that case, give me Gallo! (Apart from Noel)

[ddb]

how about sending Marcus Smart to Philly for Noel.

Then send Zeller/Rozier/2 NON BK 1sts to NOP for Holiday (expiring)?

Then let Young/Green/Jackson hash it out for some spot minutes.

IT-AB-Crowder-Horford-Noel
Holiday-Green-Brown-KO-Amir
Jackson-Young-Jonas-Mickey w/ 1 open roster spot

This addresses 2 needs (rebounding/interior defense & reliable bench scoring). Holiday is also a big enough guard where he can play with IT. So you're essentially playing a 3-guard rotation of IT-AB-JH. plenty of minutes to go around

You want to trade Rozier and two firsts for an expiring Holiday? Seriously?

I would send 1 non BK 1st and a 2nd. not 2 firsts

[SMTBSI]

I'm all aboard the Noel train but the issue is what will it cost to get him? I don't think you can move a Brooklyn pick for him. Something involving Bradley, I guess? Then you likely draft his replacement with the Brooklyn pick.

I gotta give credit to Bryan Colangelo for doubling down on not moving Nerlens a couple months ago when both he and JO value was terrible. I would've taken Terry Rozier for Nerlens then. But now he has just been such a contributor the last 10 games whereas Okafor has been glued to the bench there is no way BC just gives him away. I think Nerlens/AB has to be the framework in any conversation between the Sixers/Celtics.

Agreed. Noel's price has definitely increased beyond a level I think we're willing to pay. Conversely, Okafor's has plummeted.

I think it was a net gain for Philly, though. Like you say, a few months ago neither of those guys had all that much value. Now at least Noel has significant value. Philly may not have maximized the value of each individual guy, but they may just have gotten acceptable value out of the situation overall.

Now the question to me is not one of Noel vs. Okafor, but Noel vs. Holmes. I like both those kids. I'm sure Philly does too. But if Noel is your man behind Embiid and Simmons, Holmes' minutes are going to go away.

[ddb]

I'm all aboard the Noel train but the issue is what will it cost to get him? I don't think you can move a Brooklyn pick for him. Something involving Bradley, I guess? Then you likely draft his replacement with the Brooklyn pick.

I'm not. Philly's price tag will be too high.

After thinking about it carefully, I feel like our best bet for now AND moving forward is to see if Orlando will do the following deal:

Amir, Rozier, Mickey, 2017 Minny 2nd, 2018 Boston 1st, Clippers 2019 1st for Serge Ibaka & Jodie Meeks.

If Orlando would do this deal then it accomplishes multiple things for Boston.

#1- Improved front court. Better interior defense
#2- Adds more bench shooting/scoring
#3- Gives Boston outside shot at beating Cleveland
#4- We keep BK picks & maintain salary flexibility this offseason

Orlando does this if they feel like Ibaka isn't in their long-term plans and/or he will leave in free agency. At least they get a quality young talent in Rozier along with some picks.

I see these types of posts a lot on here. Nobody wants our trash. While I think Rozier is miscast in this offense and is very talented, they haven't showcased him and he's not on anyone's radar. Mickey shouldn't be in the league and Amir is soundly a backup big at best. Our 1st in 2018 will be in late 20s as will the Clippers 2019 and I believe it's protected anyway. Nobody is handing Danny a viable starter for castoffs. It's a terrible offer. ORL would expect Brown and a BK pick for the (supposed) 27 y/o Ibaka. He is oft maligned but his numbers are actually pretty consistent and he's shooting .39% from three. He'd be a huge upgrade and the cost to get him would be substantial. If ORL deals him they'll be getting back more than they gave up to get him. That's where the talks start.

well they aren't going to come even close to getting Brown and a BK for Ibaka. That's laughable. he is expiring and the Celtics could sign him outright if they wanted to. Orlando knows this as well. Maybe they would want Smart back in return. who knows. I'm not huge on Ibaka but his fit on this team would be interesting

[ddb]

I'm not. Philly's price tag will be too high.

After thinking about it carefully, I feel like our best bet for now AND moving forward is to see if Orlando will do the following deal:

Amir, Rozier, Mickey, 2017 Minny 2nd, 2018 Boston 1st, Clippers 2019 1st for Serge Ibaka & Jodie Meeks.

If Orlando would do this deal then it accomplishes multiple things for Boston.

#1- Improved front court. Better interior defense
#2- Adds more bench shooting/scoring
#3- Gives Boston outside shot at beating Cleveland
#4- We keep BK picks & maintain salary flexibility this offseason

Orlando does this if they feel like Ibaka isn't in their long-term plans and/or he will leave in free agency. At least they get a quality young talent in Rozier along with some picks.

I see these types of posts a lot on here. Nobody wants our trash. While I think Rozier is miscast in this offense and is very talented, they haven't showcased him and he's not on anyone's radar. Mickey shouldn't be in the league and Amir is soundly a backup big at best. Our 1st in 2018 will be in late 20s as will the Clippers 2019 and I believe it's protected anyway. Nobody is handing Danny a viable starter for castoffs. It's a terrible offer. ORL would expect Brown and a BK pick for the (supposed) 27 y/o Ibaka. He is oft maligned but his numbers are actually pretty consistent and he's shooting .39% from three. He'd be a huge upgrade and the cost to get him would be substantial. If ORL deals him they'll be getting back more than they gave up to get him. That's where the talks start.

So, if nobody offers more than they gave for him, and he just leaves in the offseason for a playoff team, what does Orlando get then? Nothing.

this is exactly why if Danny doesn't have serious plans on keeping Avery Bradley around long-term then he needs to trade him this year. because next year Avery's value goes down because it's the last year of his contract and teams can be aggressive to sign him next offseason

[TheOGJabroni]

Is there any way a Noel/Stauskas for Olynyk/Rozier offer makes sense?

Noel & Olynyk are both RFA. Both players might fit better on the other team. They get a solid young PG in Rozier to top it off and we get a SG that can hopefully give us more than Young if needed; plus he's expiring.

[BleedGreen1989]

Andrew Bogut has played 22 games this season.

He has a 9.48 PER.

He is going to get injured again.

He is not going to fix anything.

He is done.

He rebounds, passes, blocks shots, and we'll only pull the trigger if the cost is right. Don't necessarily need a regular season iron man here. PER is useless. He would fix almost everything as far as our issues that don't have to do with getting a top 10 player. Is he done or not? I don't know. Probably too good last season to call it already. Based on his public comments, he's playing the whole thing safe based on his team situation and upcoming FA.

You can't fix problems if you can't stay on the court. He can't stay on the court.

I get that people want this C's team improved on the defense/rebounding front but if you're going to chase short term glory (like a couple of extra playoff wins) at least go after a guy you can rely on. That's not Bogut.

Guys who can be "relied on" and fix the same issues Bogut could, will be very expensive.

[jfs1000d]

Is there any way a Noel/Stauskas for Olynyk/Rozier offer makes sense?

Noel & Olynyk are both RFA. Both players might fit better on the other team. They get a solid young PG in Rozier to top it off and we get a SG that can hopefully give us more than Young if needed; plus he's expiring.

No.

We need Noel, but we need KO too. If Noel is on team, we need a second stretch 4.

[TheOGJabroni]

Is there any way a Noel/Stauskas for Olynyk/Rozier offer makes sense?

Noel & Olynyk are both RFA. Both players might fit better on the other team. They get a solid young PG in Rozier to top it off and we get a SG that can hopefully give us more than Young if needed; plus he's expiring.

No.

We need Noel, but we need KO too. If Noel is on team, we need a second stretch 4.

Jerebko? He's not the best but if we add Noel there's only so many minutes to go around anyway at PF and C between Al/Noel then Johnson, Jerebko and Crowder in small ball lineups.

Thomas / Smart
Bradley
Crowder / Brown
Horford / Jerebko
Noel / Johnson

[CelticsLV]

Bradley+Olynyk+1st rounder (non-BK) for Noel + Sixers 17 1st (Could be 10-15 range)

We can play without Bradley if we improve our rebounding and defense. Noel brings both. He's a major upgrade over stiff Amir.
Draft one of Fultz/Jackson/Ball/Smith with the Nets pick and take a big with Sixers pick - Markkanen, Adebayo, Rabb, Anunoby or maybe even take a flyer on Giles (he'll slide out of top 10).

[fallguy]

He rebounds, passes, blocks shots, and we'll only pull the trigger if the cost is right. Don't necessarily need a regular season iron man here. PER is useless. He would fix almost everything as far as our issues that don't have to do with getting a top 10 player. Is he done or not? I don't know. Probably too good last season to call it already. Based on his public comments, he's playing the whole thing safe based on his team situation and upcoming FA.

You can't fix problems if you can't stay on the court. He can't stay on the court.

I get that people want this C's team improved on the defense/rebounding front but if you're going to chase short term glory (like a couple of extra playoff wins) at least go after a guy you can rely on. That's not Bogut.

Guys who can be "relied on" and fix the same issues Bogut could, will be very expensive.

Thusly - we'll be waiting until summer.

[ConstableGeneva]

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[jbent87]

Is there any way a Noel/Stauskas for Olynyk/Rozier offer makes sense?

Noel & Olynyk are both RFA. Both players might fit better on the other team. They get a solid young PG in Rozier to top it off and we get a SG that can hopefully give us more than Young if needed; plus he's expiring.

No. I'm telling you, Noel fits well just fine here. Finally, BC or Brett Brown or somebody said enough with messing around with Okafor, Noel is the better fit, play him. And ever since that's happened we have been winning. The days of Nerlens for filler trades are gone, he fits great where he is right now spelling Embiid. And I'm sure will only look even better when Simmons shows up.

Okafor on the other hand, that is another conversation.

[Banks2Pierce]

No. I'm telling you, Noel fits well just fine here. Finally, BC or Brett Brown or somebody said enough with messing around with Okafor, Noel is the better fit, play him. And ever since that's happened we have been winning. The days of Nerlens for filler trades are gone, he fits great where he is right now spelling Embiid. And I'm sure will only look even better when Simmons shows up.

Okafor on the other hand, that is another conversation.

Yeah, I was kind of hoping you guys traded Noel before realizing that you should just be treating Okafor as a sunk cost. Considering the RFA market and your cap room, I'd really be surprised if Nerlens was in a different uniform come next fall.

[TheOGJabroni]

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[jbent87]

No. I'm telling you, Noel fits well just fine here. Finally, BC or Brett Brown or somebody said enough with messing around with Okafor, Noel is the better fit, play him. And ever since that's happened we have been winning. The days of Nerlens for filler trades are gone, he fits great where he is right now spelling Embiid. And I'm sure will only look even better when Simmons shows up.

Okafor on the other hand, that is another conversation.

Yeah, I was kind of hoping you guys traded Noel before realizing that you should just be treating Okafor as a sunk cost. Considering the RFA market and your cap room, I'd really be surprised if Nerlens was in a different uniform come next fall.

Right, there was this narrative of we have to trade somebody, so may as well be Nerlens since he won't resign here. But if he's getting minutes which he is now, and is going to get paid by PHI why not just stay?

That said, I honestly think Nerlens for AB is the move that should but probably won't happen. I understand AB has the higher value now, but he's due for a contract after next season too. Factoring in the top 2 Nets pick in a guard heavy draft, selling AB high now for a 22 year old big upside rim protector, which you guys need, sounds like the move to make. But I'm sure DA is making sure he can't have his cake and eat it too before going this route.

[Homerclease]

Bradley+Olynyk+1st rounder (non-BK) for Noel + Sixers 17 1st (Could be 10-15 range)

We can play without Bradley if we improve our rebounding and defense. Noel brings both. He's a major upgrade over stiff Amir.
Draft one of Fultz/Jackson/Ball/Smith with the Nets pick and take a big with Sixers pick - Markkanen, Adebayo, Rabb, Anunoby or maybe even take a flyer on Giles (he'll slide out of top 10).

I actually really like this. Clears the way for Fultz and they don't have to pay Bradley (obviously have to pay Noel instead). It would take us out of max free agent status by adding a mid first and Noel's cap hold but they would still have around 20 million in room before having to pay Noel and go over the cap. Then next year you're looking at

Noel/Zizic
Horford/draft pick
Crowder/Brown
Fultz/Smart
Thomas/Rozier

With Yabs, Nader and Jackson rounding out the roster

[GoCeltics123]

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I feel like this guy has been wrong a lot though

[TheOGJabroni]

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I feel like this guy has been wrong a lot though

Oh I'm sure but still...

Love to Boston confirmed.

[Celts17Pride]

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So the Celtics end up with Kevin Love which will just cement the Celtics position as an also ran.
Ainge please stay away