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Re: Trade Ideas Thread 

Post#1741 » by SmartWentCrazy » Thu Oct 1, 2020 4:17 pm

ddb wrote:
SmartWentCrazy wrote:New idea:

Celtics trade: Hayward, Kanter, 26
Celtics receive: Seth Curry, Redick, Powell, 18

Mavs trades: Curry, Wright, Powell, 18, 31
Mavs receive: Hayward

NOP trades: Redick, Kanter
NOP receives: Wright, 26, 31

We get two of the best shooters in the league that carry immense gravity. They’ll bust any zone thrown our way. We also clear 8M in salary and get closer to the tax line. Dallas consolidates and clears cap space for next summer. NO gets two assets for someone who wont be there long term.


would you please for the love of God read what you just typed. Can you imagine if we had Redick, Scurry, Powell? You'd be wishfully thinking about trading them for Hayward/Kanter. It's just ludicrous some of the trade ideas that are floated. First of all, what the heck do you need Redick AND Curry for? They play the same position, neither plays defense, and neither can pass or rebound. Literally all they do is shoot. Powell is a RIM runner which we already have in TimeLord.
Common man! I get that trading Hayward is the hot topic, but at least let's come up with trade ideas where we are getting back something of substance that is fair in exchange for Hayward. Hayward averaged 17.5/6.7/4.1 on 50%/38%/85% as the FOURTH option!

The more I think about it the more I think we should bring him back and not trade him. His time in Boston has been tough. Obviously the injury in the first quarter of his first game cancelled his entire first year in Boston. Then in year 2 the team was dysfunctional and he was trying to find his confidence again. but this past year when he was healthy he was good. In the Heat series he was not good but we now know that he came back 2 weeks early to try to help the team win. The more I think about it the more I'm confident that we have yet to see the best of Hayward. Year #4 will be his best in Boston.

Only way I trade him is if there's a really good deal on the table. That's it. Boston has the leverage. NOT TRADING HIM for Seth Curry and Old Man Redick. GTFOOH


Shooting is key in this league and Miami just torched us due to their spacing making us incapable of defending Bam. Who the **** honestly argues against adding more elite shooters? Powell is deadweight salary that we use as trade filler in a year when his deal becomes more palatable [remember how everyone complained we couldnt make trades this year? Having no tradable salaries was a big reason why].

If you want to let Hayward walk for nothing next year, thats on you. I’m telling you that re-signing him is flat out untenable once we max Tatum. Letting him walk for nothing is just burning an asset because your too proud to get something less than your own misperceived value of the player.
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Re: Trade Ideas Thread 

Post#1742 » by SmartWentCrazy » Thu Oct 1, 2020 4:20 pm

Celts17Pride wrote:
hugepatsfan wrote:Myles Turner...

Everyone seems on board with trading Hayward for him. I get it. I know everyone has negative feelings on Hayward because he hasn't lived up to his deal. He's not homegrown and has never really given us reasons to fall in love with him. I get it.

But when you take a step back and pull emotion out of it, the move to make for Myles Turner is not giving up Hayward. It's building a deal around Smart.

Kemba
Brown
Hayward
Tatum
Turner

vs

Kemba
Smart
Brown
Tatum
Turner

Hayward's shooting over Smart makes a huge difference. With a defensive anchor like Turner, you can go with a good defender in Hayward vs an elite one in Smart.

I love Marcus Smart as much as anyone. Hayward is just a better player. If you want Turner, this is the way you try to do it.

The Gordon Hayward story in Boston is just about over. The only thing left is Gordon Hayward waving goodbye. It hasn’t worked out


The sooner people accept that theres no feasible way to re-sign him long term at the salary he’ll command, the better they’ll take his inevitable trade thats less than their own misperceived value.
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Re: Trade Ideas Thread 

Post#1743 » by BK_2020 » Thu Oct 1, 2020 4:21 pm

One year of Hayward is also value. It's definitely more valuable than Redick, Seth Curry and Powell, who between the three of them might play 20 mins a game.
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Post#1744 » by MagicBagley18 » Thu Oct 1, 2020 4:37 pm

hugepatsfan wrote:Myles Turner...

Everyone seems on board with trading Hayward for him. I get it. I know everyone has negative feelings on Hayward because he hasn't lived up to his deal. He's not homegrown and has never really given us reasons to fall in love with him. I get it.

But when you take a step back and pull emotion out of it, the move to make for Myles Turner is not giving up Hayward. It's building a deal around Smart.

Kemba
Brown
Hayward
Tatum
Turner

vs

Kemba
Smart
Brown
Tatum
Turner

Hayward's shooting over Smart makes a huge difference. With a defensive anchor like Turner, you can go with a good defender in Hayward vs an elite one in Smart.

I love Marcus Smart as much as anyone. Hayward is just a better player. If you want Turner, this is the way you try to do it.


Hayward is better....how do we keep him moving forward? will he be healthy? I don’t like when people not you but others assume anyone is reacting to a post season where he was hurt. He was great all year when he played. He’s an all star caliber player when he plays.

The reality tho to me when I take my appreciation for Hayward’s game out of the equation is deadlines make deals- he’s on the last year of his contract, we just went on a run without him and we very much need depth. Smarts a leader in the locker room and really the soul of the team.

Choose Hayward over smart in a trade and IMO they’ll be backlash. I don’t just want to move Hayward for scraps- hell I attacked people when they wanted to ship him off for Andre freaking Drummond but Hayward has an expiring contract that we can use to shore up positions of need/ depth and still keep our younger more durable core.

U have to inquire ab moving him and losing smart to gain turner is like a net negative defensively imo
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Re: Trade Ideas Thread 

Post#1745 » by MagicBagley18 » Thu Oct 1, 2020 4:42 pm

ddb wrote:
SmartWentCrazy wrote:New idea:

Celtics trade: Hayward, Kanter, 26
Celtics receive: Seth Curry, Redick, Powell, 18

Mavs trades: Curry, Wright, Powell, 18, 31
Mavs receive: Hayward

NOP trades: Redick, Kanter
NOP receives: Wright, 26, 31

We get two of the best shooters in the league that carry immense gravity. They’ll bust any zone thrown our way. We also clear 8M in salary and get closer to the tax line. Dallas consolidates and clears cap space for next summer. NO gets two assets for someone who wont be there long term.


would you please for the love of God read what you just typed. Can you imagine if we had Redick, Scurry, Powell? You'd be wishfully thinking about trading them for Hayward/Kanter. It's just ludicrous some of the trade ideas that are floated. First of all, what the heck do you need Redick AND Curry for? They play the same position, neither plays defense, and neither can pass or rebound. Literally all they do is shoot. Powell is a RIM runner which we already have in TimeLord.
Common man! I get that trading Hayward is the hot topic, but at least let's come up with trade ideas where we are getting back something of substance that is fair in exchange for Hayward. Hayward averaged 17.5/6.7/4.1 on 50%/38%/85% as the FOURTH option!

The more I think about it the more I think we should bring him back and not trade him. His time in Boston has been tough. Obviously the injury in the first quarter of his first game cancelled his entire first year in Boston. Then in year 2 the team was dysfunctional and he was trying to find his confidence again. but this past year when he was healthy he was good. In the Heat series he was not good but we now know that he came back 2 weeks early to try to help the team win. The more I think about it the more I'm confident that we have yet to see the best of Hayward. Year #4 will be his best in Boston.

Only way I trade him is if there's a really good deal on the table. That's it. Boston has the leverage. NOT TRADING HIM for Seth Curry and Old Man Redick. GTFOOH



Maybe you vastly overrate Hayward’s value to other teams.....
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Post#1746 » by BK_2020 » Thu Oct 1, 2020 4:43 pm

Smart and #14, #26 and #30 for GSW #2.
Langford can play some D so hopefully he can shoot like Smart from 3 years ago.
Get Edwards since Minny apparently doesn't like him.
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Post#1747 » by Curmudgeon » Thu Oct 1, 2020 5:10 pm

If Ainge moves Smart so that the Celtics can keep Hayward then Ainge is an idiot.
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Post#1748 » by BK_2020 » Thu Oct 1, 2020 5:11 pm

Not moving Smart to keep Hayward but to get the #2. Not every trade idea is about Hayward lol.
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Post#1749 » by BK_2020 » Thu Oct 1, 2020 5:19 pm

Lonzo Ball interestingly might be a good pickup. He's a defensive wiz like Smart, he can knock down wide-open shots, and has uncanny passing ability and BBIQ. Swapping Smart for Lonzo right now might be a smart (haha) buy-low/ sell-high move.
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Post#1750 » by ddb » Thu Oct 1, 2020 5:24 pm

SmartWentCrazy wrote:
ddb wrote:
SmartWentCrazy wrote:New idea:

Celtics trade: Hayward, Kanter, 26
Celtics receive: Seth Curry, Redick, Powell, 18

Mavs trades: Curry, Wright, Powell, 18, 31
Mavs receive: Hayward

NOP trades: Redick, Kanter
NOP receives: Wright, 26, 31

We get two of the best shooters in the league that carry immense gravity. They’ll bust any zone thrown our way. We also clear 8M in salary and get closer to the tax line. Dallas consolidates and clears cap space for next summer. NO gets two assets for someone who wont be there long term.


would you please for the love of God read what you just typed. Can you imagine if we had Redick, Scurry, Powell? You'd be wishfully thinking about trading them for Hayward/Kanter. It's just ludicrous some of the trade ideas that are floated. First of all, what the heck do you need Redick AND Curry for? They play the same position, neither plays defense, and neither can pass or rebound. Literally all they do is shoot. Powell is a RIM runner which we already have in TimeLord.
Common man! I get that trading Hayward is the hot topic, but at least let's come up with trade ideas where we are getting back something of substance that is fair in exchange for Hayward. Hayward averaged 17.5/6.7/4.1 on 50%/38%/85% as the FOURTH option!

The more I think about it the more I think we should bring him back and not trade him. His time in Boston has been tough. Obviously the injury in the first quarter of his first game cancelled his entire first year in Boston. Then in year 2 the team was dysfunctional and he was trying to find his confidence again. but this past year when he was healthy he was good. In the Heat series he was not good but we now know that he came back 2 weeks early to try to help the team win. The more I think about it the more I'm confident that we have yet to see the best of Hayward. Year #4 will be his best in Boston.

Only way I trade him is if there's a really good deal on the table. That's it. Boston has the leverage. NOT TRADING HIM for Seth Curry and Old Man Redick. GTFOOH


Shooting is key in this league and Miami just torched us due to their spacing making us incapable of defending Bam. Who the **** honestly argues against adding more elite shooters? Powell is deadweight salary that we use as trade filler in a year when his deal becomes more palatable [remember how everyone complained we couldnt make trades this year? Having no tradable salaries was a big reason why].

If you want to let Hayward walk for nothing next year, thats on you. I’m telling you that re-signing him is flat out untenable once we max Tatum. Letting him walk for nothing is just burning an asset because your too proud to get something less than your own misperceived value of the player.


I'm not opposed to trading Hayward in the right deal. I just think Curry/Redick/Powell/#18 is a brutal return for Hayward/Kanter. Can do much better than that.
What other ideas do you have for moving Hayward?
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Post#1751 » by ddb » Thu Oct 1, 2020 5:26 pm

Curmudgeon wrote:If Ainge moves Smart so that the Celtics can keep Hayward then Ainge is an idiot.


I think moving Smart wouldn't be smart. haha. He means too much to the team. What he does to help the team win cannot be taught. Very few guys bring the intangibles that Marcus does. Not to mention that the guys clearly like him and look up to him. I think having a guy like Smart in your corner helps you play your game and feel more comfortable. Sorta like if you're a skilled guy in hockey and you have one of the games best enforcers on your team. You are set to play free and not worry about your head getting chopped off.
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Post#1752 » by 100proof » Thu Oct 1, 2020 5:37 pm

2 trade options:

Hayward and Poirier to Dallas
THJ, Wright, #14, #18, #31 to Detroit
#7(Haliburton), Rose and Snell to Boston


Or

Dipo, Lamb, Leaf and #30 to Detroit
Hayward and #26 to Indiana
#7 (Haliburton), Snell and Rose to Boston


Kemba/Rose
Smart/Haliburton
Brown/Romeo
Tatum/Snell
Theis/Timelord/Kanter
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Post#1753 » by FlatearthZorro » Thu Oct 1, 2020 5:47 pm

BK_2020 wrote:Lonzo Ball interestingly might be a good pickup. He's a defensive wiz like Smart, he can knock down wide-open shots, and has uncanny passing ability and BBIQ. Swapping Smart for Lonzo right now might be a smart (haha) buy-low/ sell-high move.


I'm not sure if you're serious. Kid's worst than Smart was on defense at his age. His shot is trash, the only thing he does well is pass. Smart really far ahead on defense.
Good assessment:

PLO wrote:Tatum played OK - took advantage of a few mismatches - decent on the defensive end. He is what we thought he was going into the season - a technically very proficient player operating close to his career ceiling as a rookie.
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Post#1754 » by FlatearthZorro » Thu Oct 1, 2020 5:49 pm

ddb wrote:
Curmudgeon wrote:If Ainge moves Smart so that the Celtics can keep Hayward then Ainge is an idiot.


I think moving Smart wouldn't be smart. haha. He means too much to the team. What he does to help the team win cannot be taught. Very few guys bring the intangibles that Marcus does. Not to mention that the guys clearly like him and look up to him. I think having a guy like Smart in your corner helps you play your game and feel more comfortable. Sorta like if you're a skilled guy in hockey and you have one of the games best enforcers on your team. You are set to play free and not worry about your head getting chopped off.


Don't get me wrong, Smart has been improving. His b-ball IQ on offense isn't very high tho. He's consistently taken more shots than our best guys on offense the past several years, and he was averaging 4 TOs a game in the playoffs, I think it was over 4 against MIA and TOR. He probably should've been the DPOY, but his offense leaves a lot to be desired, he's improved, but he needs to know his place and I have a feeling he never will...
Good assessment:

PLO wrote:Tatum played OK - took advantage of a few mismatches - decent on the defensive end. He is what we thought he was going into the season - a technically very proficient player operating close to his career ceiling as a rookie.
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Post#1755 » by Curmudgeon » Thu Oct 1, 2020 6:32 pm

Smart's defensive IQ not high? What planet are you on? As for "knowing his place" he's the 4th option when on the floor with Tatum Brown and Walker and he takes fewer shots than any of them-- and still hits a fair percentage. He also leads the team in assists.

I can think of quite a few Hayward deals that help the team, but not Smart deals. So, you trade an all defensive first team guy on a cap friendly deal for what? A top pick in a flat draft? There isn't a single player in this draft who is a lock to become better than Smart.

If you want a top pick, offer Hayward, TimeLord and all three first rounders to Golden State for Wiggins and #2. Hopefully you can move Wiggins to a third team. If not, you hold your nose and keep him. And for goodness sake use #2 on Wiseman, not one of the guards.

Or you offer Hayward to Sacramento for Barnes and Bjelica. You get a decent healthy veteran plus a sorely needed shooter for the 2nd unit. If you have to throw in a first rounder, do it. Tell me who in this draft is a better three point shooter than Bjelica, not to mention that he's 6-10.
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Re: Trade Ideas Thread 

Post#1756 » by chrisab123 » Thu Oct 1, 2020 7:03 pm

Smart can stay but the Celtics number 1 target this offseason needs to be Mike Brown. He could keep Smart in line as a skilled assistant coach. Alvin Gentry would be an awesome get too.
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Post#1757 » by BRUNiNHO91 » Thu Oct 1, 2020 7:16 pm

Not a trade idea, but what do you guys think Tristan Thompson will get in free agency? Forgot all about him. Would be a solid pick up for us if he fell in our price range IMO.
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Post#1758 » by chrisab123 » Thu Oct 1, 2020 7:19 pm

BRUNiNHO91 wrote:Not a trade idea, but what do you guys think Tristan Thompson will get in free agency? Forgot all about him. Would be a solid pick up for us if he fell in our price range IMO.


The problem is for the Celtics is that he's a Klutch client. He'll either go to the Lakers or a bigger market where he can make more money. I think Rich Paul/Lebron will put him in a position to make the MLE or slightly higher.
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Post#1759 » by CelticsPride18 » Thu Oct 1, 2020 7:20 pm

BRUNiNHO91 wrote:Not a trade idea, but what do you guys think Tristan Thompson will get in free agency? Forgot all about him. Would be a solid pick up for us if he fell in our price range IMO.


Klutch sports client. No way he takes a pay cut to sign with us.
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Re: Trade Ideas Thread 

Post#1760 » by BRUNiNHO91 » Thu Oct 1, 2020 7:23 pm

**** LeBron. Smh.
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