100 Pages & Running: The FA/Trade Thread.

[Captain_Caveman]

Our insistence on making and keeping Smart the PG, even after acquiring Brogdon, is concerning. Smart is still going to be getting late game minutes and his three point shooting will still be deciding games. Having a guy making $23 million sitting on the bench is not going to make sense. And if they DO sit Smart he'll start whining about it and that will create a locker room divide. I don't trust Ime to balance this effectively. That's why on paper these moves seem perfect but might not be great in actuality.

LOL

No matter how many Ls they take, the Smarthaters keep coming.

[Feed Your Head]

Still dying inside to see what happens with TPE…

Nothing. I believe that the message being sent through the media is that the TPE will expire because they don't want to pay the tax bill associated with taking on the salary.

After Gallo and Brogdon, they’re like 17 million into the tax already.

They chose to take on a bigger contract this way as opposed to using the TPE. They’ll still use it, probably just something smaller though.

[FeedReed]

is there any possible way the c’s can move tatum for durant? this is the move i’d love to see as i’ve always viewed tatum as a fraud. durant in tatums place makes the celts favorites to win it all at least for the next 3 seasons. with brogdon and durant being as talented as they are, it’s more important to have the talent/dog combo that brown possesses over tatum who has no dog, and if he’s any better talent wise over brown, it’s so marginal that it’s not noticeable.

Oof...there's still time to delete this right?

Not every poster in here has seen this yet. Yeah...just delete now and hope for the best.

lol what? i’d rather delete tatums finals performance and his b**** tendencies. maybe then they’d win a final. like who you like, but telling me to delete a post(considering this forum is based on all of our opinions) is childish nonsense.

[hugepatsfan]

Our insistence on making and keeping Smart the PG, even after acquiring Brogdon, is concerning. Smart is still going to be getting late game minutes and his three point shooting will still be deciding games. Having a guy making $23 million sitting on the bench is not going to make sense. And if they DO sit Smart he'll start whining about it and that will create a locker room divide. I don't trust Ime to balance this effectively. That's why on paper these moves seem perfect but might not be great in actuality.

I think it's better to start Smart for a few reasons:

1) Should ALWAYS have at least 2 of Tatum/Brown/Brogdon on the floor together so you've got two 20 ppg type scorers out there.
2) Should NEVER have Smart and White out there as it's a very non-complimentary pairing.

Accomplishing both of those goals becomes way easier to facilitate with Smart starting and Brogdon off the bench.

[FlatearthZorro]

Our insistence on making and keeping Smart the PG, even after acquiring Brogdon, is concerning. Smart is still going to be getting late game minutes and his three point shooting will still be deciding games. Having a guy making $23 million sitting on the bench is not going to make sense. And if they DO sit Smart he'll start whining about it and that will create a locker room divide. I don't trust Ime to balance this effectively. That's why on paper these moves seem perfect but might not be great in actuality.

LOL

No matter how many Ls they take, the Smarthaters keep coming.

Honestly, I'm one of the biggest Smart haters, but he had his best season in the NBA yet, despite his athletic ability being worse than 3 years ago.
We just can't force him to do too much- score, pass, defenend all at above average to elite level is impossible. The deal was good.

[Captain_Caveman]

Still dying inside to see what happens with TPE…

Nothing. I believe that the message being sent through the media is that the TPE will expire because they don't want to pay the tax bill associated with taking on the salary.

After Gallo and Brogdon, they’re like 17 million into the tax already.

They chose to take on a bigger contract this way as opposed to using the TPE. They’ll still use it, probably just something smaller though.

They are already looking at a $50m tax hit. We're not doing **** with the TPE.

[Curmudgeon]

Jalen Smith or Thomas Bryant for the vet min would be a great way to end the day.

Neither one of those players is likely to take the vet minimum. I think the Celtics will have to trade for a big. What's a few million more in luxury tax? I'll chip in and buy a few bottles of Wyc's tequila.

The other issue is that if you sign a young guy on the vet minimum and he does well, he's gone in a year.

[Captain_Caveman]

Our insistence on making and keeping Smart the PG, even after acquiring Brogdon, is concerning. Smart is still going to be getting late game minutes and his three point shooting will still be deciding games. Having a guy making $23 million sitting on the bench is not going to make sense. And if they DO sit Smart he'll start whining about it and that will create a locker room divide. I don't trust Ime to balance this effectively. That's why on paper these moves seem perfect but might not be great in actuality.

LOL

No matter how many Ls they take, the Smarthaters keep coming.

Honestly, I'm one of the biggest Smart haters, but he had his best season in the NBA yet, despite his athletic ability being worse than 3 years ago.
We just can't force him to do too much- score, pass, defenend all at above average to elite level is impossible. The deal was good.

Smart's been excellent for us the whole time. Many fans are just obsessed with per game stats and don't know how to process him.

[FlatearthZorro]

LOL

No matter how many Ls they take, the Smarthaters keep coming.

Honestly, I'm one of the biggest Smart haters, but he had his best season in the NBA yet, despite his athletic ability being worse than 3 years ago.
We just can't force him to do too much- score, pass, defenend all at above average to elite level is impossible. The deal was good.

Smart's been excellent for us the whole time. Many fans are just obsessed with per game stats and don't know how to process him.

Not the whole time, but 3 years ago was his best season in the NBA, then thisl. I can argue he was our 2nd best player in the Finals after Brown.
He's learned stuff, still prone to awful TOs and shots, but he's improved. I'm a fair guy and I always hope I'm wrong when it comes to bad predictions. Brogdon and Smart is a SICK backcourt, when both are healthy.

[FlatearthZorro]

Nothing. I believe that the message being sent through the media is that the TPE will expire because they don't want to pay the tax bill associated with taking on the salary.

After Gallo and Brogdon, they’re like 17 million into the tax already.

They chose to take on a bigger contract this way as opposed to using the TPE. They’ll still use it, probably just something smaller though.

They are already looking at a $50m tax hit. We're not doing **** with the TPE.

If Warren wants to be here, I hope they do it.

[hugepatsfan]

Jalen Smith or Thomas Bryant for the vet min would be a great way to end the day.

Neither one of those players is likely to take the vet minimum. I think the Celtics will have to trade for a big. What's a few million more in luxury tax? I'll chip in and buy a few bottles of Wyc's tequila.

The other issue is that if you sign a young guy on the vet minimum and he does well, he's gone in a year.

Thomas Bryant is definitely getting the minimum.

And in 1 year we could still re-sign them to the MLE.

[BostonCouchGM]

Our insistence on making and keeping Smart the PG, even after acquiring Brogdon, is concerning. Smart is still going to be getting late game minutes and his three point shooting will still be deciding games. Having a guy making $23 million sitting on the bench is not going to make sense. And if they DO sit Smart he'll start whining about it and that will create a locker room divide. I don't trust Ime to balance this effectively. That's why on paper these moves seem perfect but might not be great in actuality.

LOL

No matter how many Ls they take, the Smarthaters keep coming.

ha ha ha. Listen, he's an elite defensive combo guard who I think can be a perennial 6th man of the year and is better left on the bench in that role playing 30 mpg. If that's "hate" I'll own it. Brogdon should be starting in case he can get back to his 38-40% from three days. That would help everyone. It'd also let Smart focus on defense and conserve energy for that all important role we need him most for.

[snowman]

Pretty sure Jalen Smith won't take the vet min. Bryant , it's been reported is willing to take that, and it's supposedly it's between us and the Lakers. With the moves we've made today, how can anyone look at those 2 teams and think they would have a better chance at a ring going with the Lakers.

[Fencer reregistered]

Our insistence on making and keeping Smart the PG, even after acquiring Brogdon, is concerning. Smart is still going to be getting late game minutes and his three point shooting will still be deciding games. Having a guy making $23 million sitting on the bench is not going to make sense. And if they DO sit Smart he'll start whining about it and that will create a locker room divide. I don't trust Ime to balance this effectively. That's why on paper these moves seem perfect but might not be great in actuality.

I think it's better to start Smart for a few reasons:

1) Should ALWAYS have at least 2 of Tatum/Brown/Brogdon on the floor together so you've got two 20 ppg type scorers out there.
2) Should NEVER have Smart and White out there as it's a very non-complimentary pairing.

Accomplishing both of those goals becomes way easier to facilitate with Smart starting and Brogdon off the bench.

So basically you want White to split 48 minutes with Smart as his backup? And have Brogdon be the primary backup for both Jays?

[FlatearthZorro]

Btw, I'm thinking there may be another trade coming. White/Brogdon/Smart/Pritchard is kinda redundant, let's see.
Maybe, Smart for Collins + 1 pick?

[Curmudgeon]

Jalen Smith or Thomas Bryant for the vet min would be a great way to end the day.

Neither one of those players is likely to take the vet minimum. I think the Celtics will have to trade for a big. What's a few million more in luxury tax? I'll chip in and buy a few bottles of Wyc's tequila.

The other issue is that if you sign a young guy on the vet minimum and he does well, he's gone in a year.

Thomas Bryant is definitely getting the minimum.

And in 1 year we could still re-sign them to the MLE.

Yes, you could, unless he can get more on the open market. But Jalen Smith isn't playing for the minimum because the Pacers can keep him for around $5M and they need all the help they can get.

[SuperDeluxe]

This thread is approaching 100 pages in a mere 24 hours. You savage lot.

[darrendaye]

Pretty sure Jalen Smith won't take the vet min. Bryant , it's been reported is willing to take that, and it's supposedly it's between us and the Lakers. With the moves we've made today, how can anyone look at those 2 teams and think they would have a better chance at a ring going with the Lakers.

There is some nostalgia draw as the Lakers were his original team. And, it's LA.

[hugepatsfan]

Neither one of those players is likely to take the vet minimum. I think the Celtics will have to trade for a big. What's a few million more in luxury tax? I'll chip in and buy a few bottles of Wyc's tequila.

The other issue is that if you sign a young guy on the vet minimum and he does well, he's gone in a year.

Thomas Bryant is definitely getting the minimum.

And in 1 year we could still re-sign them to the MLE.

Yes, you could, unless he can get more on the open market. But Jalen Smith isn't playing for the minimum because the Pacers can keep him for around $5M and they need all the help they can get.

Agreed on Smith. Not a minimum guy, too much upside there.

But I think it's extremely likely that Bryant gets the minimum and then very realistic that next year would have a tax MLE offer type of market.

[FlatearthZorro]

Pretty sure Jalen Smith won't take the vet min. Bryant , it's been reported is willing to take that, and it's supposedly it's between us and the Lakers. With the moves we've made today, how can anyone look at those 2 teams and think they would have a better chance at a ring going with the Lakers.

There is some nostalgia draw as the Lakers were his original team. And, it's LA.

Btw, Bryant would be a fantastic option at center as a wild card(3rd string). That would complete the off-season. Just sign Hauser and Begarin(1 2way the other to a min-type).