Trade/Free Agency Thread, whose NINE is it anyways?? 2023-24

[Curmudgeon]

Who cares if Jaylen says he won't resign. For many teams that's a plus given the current luxury tax regime.
The idea is to get rid of him and avoid paying him over a quarter of a billion dollars. Move him for whatever you can get and spend the money someplace else.

[steefP2]

Who cares if Jaylen says he won't resign. For many teams that's a plus given the current luxury tax regime.
The idea is to get rid of him and avoid paying him over a quarter of a billion dollars. Move him for whatever you can get and spend the money someplace else.

That’s simply not reality; if you don’t want a guy to stay with you why trade for him. By your logic; the best thing the Celtics could do is not extend and just let him walk.

It you feel that way; I got nothing. I’m sorry you’ll be disappointed

[chrisab123]

Listen if Jaylen or Brogdon gets traded its not going to result in Marcus Smart coming back to the team. I get people loved him and Grant too and love gritty role players but trading Brown for nothing because of spite and because of how much he will get makes no sense.

[Curmudgeon]

Of course it makes sense. Brown isn't that good; second team all NBA was baloney. You don't give a $20M player $50M a year when you can get two other $20M players for less money.

There will be no championships with Brown playing big minutes and getting high usage in the playoffs. None. He racks up barely decent numbers against lesser teams during the regular season but wilts in the playoffs. Overplay his right hand and he's a turnover machine. The whole league knows it.

[chrisab123]

Of course it makes sense. Brown isn't that good; second team all NBA was baloney. You don't give a $20M player $50M a year when you can get two other $20M players for less money.

There will be no championships with Brown playing big minutes and getting high usage in the playoffs. None. He racks up barely decent numbers against lesser teams during the regular season but wilts in the playoffs. Overplay his right hand and he's a turnover machine. The whole league knows it.

So...you want to blow it up and trade Tatum too? Because thats what will happen if they dump Brown for peanuts. You do realize the Celtics are not a major destination in this league for players like Brown or better. They're a 2nd tier franchise in terms of desirability who would only get a player like Brown if they drafted him.

Second, Brown is better than a 20 million a year player. Hell Marcus is making more than that. I get that you're still pissed he's gone but jesus...

[steefP2]

Of course it makes sense. Brown isn't that good; second team all NBA was baloney. You don't give a $20M player $50M a year when you can get two other $20M players for less money.

There will be no championships with Brown playing big minutes and getting high usage in the playoffs. None. He racks up barely decent numbers against lesser teams during the regular season but wilts in the playoffs. Overplay his right hand and he's a turnover machine. The whole league knows it.

But if what you say is true; how are you getting 2 so million players for him ? How are you trading for any value at all if your assessment is true and known by all ?

If he sucks that bad; how are we getting anything for him ? Wouldn’t it be better to just let him play next on his expiring deal and don’t sign him then ?

[Larry_Russell]

I laugh at the notion that trading brown means Tatum leaves.


just a bad way of thinking that has no real basis in reality.


Tatum will stay if Tatum is winning, getting paid, and maintaining his superstar level status. Brown being here is not what will make Tatum stay.



And Brown is not the reason this team wins and has been in contention.

[chrisab123]

I laugh at the notion that trading brown means Tatum leaves.


just a bad way of thinking that has no real basis in reality.


Tatum will stay if Tatum is winning, getting paid, and maintaining his superstar level status. Brown being here is not what will make Tatum stay.



And Brown is not the reason this team wins and has been in contention.

You laugh until it happens. Again is this team better with Brown or two random guys who are decent but not great players? Stars want to play with stars. Tatum ain't staying to play with Bogdonovich and whomever else they get for Brown.

Also everyone seems to forget the Celtics do not play in LA Miami or NY. Superstars aren't fighting to come here.

[tfribs45]

Pritchard clearly prepping for a Brogdon trade and working on running an offense.

Read on Twitter

no chance PP gets the job?! you want to be a true contender or a bubble team lol?!

[Larry_Russell]

Of course it makes sense. Brown isn't that good; second team all NBA was baloney. You don't give a $20M player $50M a year when you can get two other $20M players for less money.

There will be no championships with Brown playing big minutes and getting high usage in the playoffs. None. He racks up barely decent numbers against lesser teams during the regular season but wilts in the playoffs. Overplay his right hand and he's a turnover machine. The whole league knows it.

But if what you say is true; how are you getting 2 so million players for him ? How are you trading for any value at all if your assessment is true and known by all ?

If he sucks that bad; how are we getting anything for him ? Wouldn’t it be better to just let him play next on his expiring deal and don’t sign him then ?

That is how you get nothing for an asset and is not a reasonable debate against trading him now.

Trading now you:

1) Get assets now
2) save long term money
3) potential to do more moves this offseason and forward
4) extra season with new roster to gel
5) address larger team needs that what Brown brings (scoring replaced by Kristaps)


Signing now you:
1) lock into roster for the next 365 days minimum due to the CBA
2) restrict future finances for signing and trades
3) potential of regression or lack of improvement
4) much harder to deal him in 1 year due to contract level...you would 100% have to take back an undesireable contract just to make salaries work.

Not signing and not trading
1) probs lose him for nothing.

[31to6]

Of course it makes sense. Brown isn't that good; second team all NBA was baloney. You don't give a $20M player $50M a year when you can get two other $20M players for less money.

There will be no championships with Brown playing big minutes and getting high usage in the playoffs. None. He racks up barely decent numbers against lesser teams during the regular season but wilts in the playoffs. Overplay his right hand and he's a turnover machine. The whole league knows it.

“Barely decent numbers” is a beyond the pale

[chrisab123]

Of course it makes sense. Brown isn't that good; second team all NBA was baloney. You don't give a $20M player $50M a year when you can get two other $20M players for less money.

There will be no championships with Brown playing big minutes and getting high usage in the playoffs. None. He racks up barely decent numbers against lesser teams during the regular season but wilts in the playoffs. Overplay his right hand and he's a turnover machine. The whole league knows it.

But if what you say is true; how are you getting 2 so million players for him ? How are you trading for any value at all if your assessment is true and known by all ?

If he sucks that bad; how are we getting anything for him ? Wouldn’t it be better to just let him play next on his expiring deal and don’t sign him then ?

That is how you get nothing for an asset and is not a reasonable debate against trading him now.

Trading now you:

1) Get an asset now
2) save long term money
3) potential to do more moves this offseason
4) extra season with new roster to gel


Signing now you:
1) lock into roster for the next 365 days minimum due to the CBA
2) restrict future finances for signing and trades
3) potential of regression or lack of improvement
4) much harder to deal him in 1 year due to contract level...you would 100% have to take back an undesireable contract just to make salaries work.

Not signing and not trading
1) probs lose him for nothing.

Again...what is the goal of trading Brown? The only things I've seen on here are
-Trade Brown so they don't have to pay him because he can't go left
-They should have built around Tatum and Smart
-Trade Brown for two so so players or picks (such as your 10000 ideas with Portland to get guys that Dame didn't think could help him win so why would Tatum?)
-Trade Brown for Dame

The only of which being remotely plausible for a contender is trading Brown for Dame. However, Dame won't report if traded here so that's dead. How does any of the above options help the Celtics win THIS YEAR? Luka and Embiid aren't real options this year.

If Jaylen played in a smaller market you would have 25 threads seeing what it would take to land him. If this team goes backwards then Tatum is going to bounce first chance he gets.

[steefP2]

Of course it makes sense. Brown isn't that good; second team all NBA was baloney. You don't give a $20M player $50M a year when you can get two other $20M players for less money.

There will be no championships with Brown playing big minutes and getting high usage in the playoffs. None. He racks up barely decent numbers against lesser teams during the regular season but wilts in the playoffs. Overplay his right hand and he's a turnover machine. The whole league knows it.

But if what you say is true; how are you getting 2 so million players for him ? How are you trading for any value at all if your assessment is true and known by all ?

If he sucks that bad; how are we getting anything for him ? Wouldn’t it be better to just let him play next on his expiring deal and don’t sign him then ?

That is how you get nothing for an asset and is not a reasonable debate against trading him now.

Trading now you:

1) Get assets now
2) save long term money
3) potential to do more moves this offseason and forward
4) extra season with new roster to gel
5) address larger team needs that what Brown brings (scoring replaced by Kristaps)


Signing now you:
1) lock into roster for the next 365 days minimum due to the CBA
2) restrict future finances for signing and trades
3) potential of regression or lack of improvement
4) much harder to deal him in 1 year due to contract level...you would 100% have to take back an undesireable contract just to make salaries work.

Not signing and not trading
1) probs lose him for nothing.

I’m not advocating letting him walk, just following curm’s logic.

But again, how are you getting an asset for him ? He’s incentivized to block any trade; aka threaten to not resign. This effectively kills his market. Where is the asset coming from ?

[captain green]

But if what you say is true; how are you getting 2 so million players for him ? How are you trading for any value at all if your assessment is true and known by all ?

If he sucks that bad; how are we getting anything for him ? Wouldn’t it be better to just let him play next on his expiring deal and don’t sign him then ?

That is how you get nothing for an asset and is not a reasonable debate against trading him now.

Trading now you:

1) Get an asset now
2) save long term money
3) potential to do more moves this offseason
4) extra season with new roster to gel


Signing now you:
1) lock into roster for the next 365 days minimum due to the CBA
2) restrict future finances for signing and trades
3) potential of regression or lack of improvement
4) much harder to deal him in 1 year due to contract level...you would 100% have to take back an undesireable contract just to make salaries work.

Not signing and not trading
1) probs lose him for nothing.

Again...what is the goal of trading Brown? The only things I've seen on here are
-Trade Brown so they don't have to pay him because he can't go left
-They should have built around Tatum and Smart
-Trade Brown for two so so players or picks (such as your 10000 ideas with Portland to get guys that Dame didn't think could help him win so why would Tatum?)
-Trade Brown for Dame

The only of which being remotely plausible for a contender is trading Brown for Dame. However, Dame won't report if traded here so that's dead. How does any of the above options help the Celtics win THIS YEAR? Luka and Embiid aren't real options this year.

If Jaylen played in a smaller market you would have 25 threads seeing what it would take to land him. If this team goes backwards then Tatum is going to bounce first chance he gets.

They are haters let them hate . You remember the old say about the wiseman and the fool. Tatum's is the only one that has remotely hinted about leaving and said it hugely important to keep brown.. well Tatum wanted mazzula and they kept his goofy ass. So there is precedent that if losing brown Tatum walks. The amount of hate that brown has gotten is wild and unwarranted the dude is a Mr Boston and has given back to the city more than anyone in the past 6 years.
This team didn't get unicorn to up and get rid of brown at all. And I for one excited to see this team.
I don’t know what I’d call the identity, since we haven’t seen it translate onto the court, but I do think it will be efficient and effective. Especially since JT, Al and KP and brown is efficient as well are all at the top of the 3-and-D players chart according to BBall Index.
Let the haters hate man they make for a great read on how to not run a franchise lol

[chrisab123]

That is how you get nothing for an asset and is not a reasonable debate against trading him now.

Trading now you:

1) Get an asset now
2) save long term money
3) potential to do more moves this offseason
4) extra season with new roster to gel


Signing now you:
1) lock into roster for the next 365 days minimum due to the CBA
2) restrict future finances for signing and trades
3) potential of regression or lack of improvement
4) much harder to deal him in 1 year due to contract level...you would 100% have to take back an undesireable contract just to make salaries work.

Not signing and not trading
1) probs lose him for nothing.

Again...what is the goal of trading Brown? The only things I've seen on here are
-Trade Brown so they don't have to pay him because he can't go left
-They should have built around Tatum and Smart
-Trade Brown for two so so players or picks (such as your 10000 ideas with Portland to get guys that Dame didn't think could help him win so why would Tatum?)
-Trade Brown for Dame

The only of which being remotely plausible for a contender is trading Brown for Dame. However, Dame won't report if traded here so that's dead. How does any of the above options help the Celtics win THIS YEAR? Luka and Embiid aren't real options this year.

If Jaylen played in a smaller market you would have 25 threads seeing what it would take to land him. If this team goes backwards then Tatum is going to bounce first chance he gets.

They are haters let them hate . You remember the old say about the wiseman and the fool. Tatum's is the only one that has remotely hinted about leaving and said it hugely important to keep brown.. well Tatum wanted mazzula and they kept his goofy ass. So there is precedent that if losing brown Tatum walks. The amount of hate that brown has gotten is wild and unwarranted the dude is a Mr Boston and has given back to the city more than anyone in the past 6 years.
This team didn't get unicorn to up and get rid of brown at all. And I for one excited to see this team.
I don’t know what I’d call the identity, since we haven’t seen it translate onto the court, but I do think it will be efficient and effective. Especially since JT, Al and KP and brown is efficient as well are all at the top of the 3-and-D players chart according to BBall Index.
Let the haters hate man they make for a great read on how to not run a franchise lol

Its not even that. I'd be willing to trade Brown for a really good star like Dame, Embiid, Luka etc...but the first one doesn't want to come here and the other two aren't available yet. But I've yet to see a realistic compelling trade scenario that makes this team better by trading Brown. Most of them are dumping the player for the sake of dumping him.

[Celts17Pride]

Its not even that. I'd be willing to trade Brown for a really good star like Dame, Embiid, Luka etc...but the first one doesn't want to come here and the other two aren't available yet. But I've yet to see a realistic compelling trade scenario that makes this team better by trading Brown. Most of them are dumping the player for the sake of dumping him.

Very well said!

[darrendaye]

Pritchard clearly prepping for a Brogdon trade and working on running an offense.

Read on Twitter

no chance PP gets the job?! you want to be a true contender or a bubble team lol?!

<it was sarcasm/>

He passed the ball 1 time during that highlight sequence.

[Larry_Russell]

But if what you say is true; how are you getting 2 so million players for him ? How are you trading for any value at all if your assessment is true and known by all ?

If he sucks that bad; how are we getting anything for him ? Wouldn’t it be better to just let him play next on his expiring deal and don’t sign him then ?

That is how you get nothing for an asset and is not a reasonable debate against trading him now.

Trading now you:

1) Get assets now
2) save long term money
3) potential to do more moves this offseason and forward
4) extra season with new roster to gel
5) address larger team needs that what Brown brings (scoring replaced by Kristaps)


Signing now you:
1) lock into roster for the next 365 days minimum due to the CBA
2) restrict future finances for signing and trades
3) potential of regression or lack of improvement
4) much harder to deal him in 1 year due to contract level...you would 100% have to take back an undesireable contract just to make salaries work.

Not signing and not trading
1) probs lose him for nothing.

I’m not advocating letting him walk, just following curm’s logic.

But again, how are you getting an asset for him ? He’s incentivized to block any trade; aka threaten to not resign. This effectively kills his market. Where is the asset coming from ?

many places

the largest reason for it is, someone will deal for him with the premise/gamble of selling Jaylen on being "the man" on his own team and selling him on the city, fans, etc.

firstly we have no reason to believe that Jaylen will threaten to not resign.
Instead we have evidence showing Jaylen wants all the money. All of it.

Jaylen next offseason will make more money for the team that owns his bird right...the team that trades for him now.

So whoever trades now can have a year to beuild with him, a year to sell him on the city, a year to sell him on the team, a year to let him "be the man" AND offer more years and money than anyother team on the market.



The secondary reason is, Teams that would like brown added to their core but have no capspace to offer him a contract.
The only teams that project to have capspace next are the teams that suck.


PLayers forcing their way to other teams is MUCH more difficult in the new CBA...so if brown wants to leave the team we trade him too so damn bad I guess he can wallow in Detroit or smth.

[Hal14]

Of course it makes sense. Brown isn't that good; second team all NBA was baloney. You don't give a $20M player $50M a year when you can get two other $20M players for less money.

There will be no championships with Brown playing big minutes and getting high usage in the playoffs. None. He racks up barely decent numbers against lesser teams during the regular season but wilts in the playoffs. Overplay his right hand and he's a turnover machine. The whole league knows it.

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Perhaps you're overreacting to a rough series this year vs Miami, where Bam fell on JB's left wrist during game 1 (same wrist JB had surgery on in 2021). Also, JB cut his right hand open on accident right before the 2023 playoffs, needing 5 stitches.

Also, prior to the 22-23 postseason (when he was injured), you look at JB's TS% in the postseason and it's usually been even higher than his reg season numbers were that season. So. saying he wilts in the postseason is not accurate.

[Celts17Pride]

Of course it makes sense. Brown isn't that good; second team all NBA was baloney. You don't give a $20M player $50M a year when you can get two other $20M players for less money.

There will be no championships with Brown playing big minutes and getting high usage in the playoffs. None. He racks up barely decent numbers against lesser teams during the regular season but wilts in the playoffs. Overplay his right hand and he's a turnover machine. The whole league knows it.

Sounds like perhaps you slept through the 2022 postseason, so here's what you missed:

Not to mention sleeping through the Atlanta and Philadelphia series last year. Again, don't let facts get in the way of a good story. Great storytellers in this forum.