Kawhi Thread, Numero 4 -- Traded to Raptors for DeRozan, others

UncleDrew11 · Post #1761 » by **UncleDrew11** » Wed Jul 18, 2018 4:32 pm

Raptors fan says Van Vleet is better than Tatum and that the impact of Kawhi is too much for Celtics. Lord help this raps fan

Valid · Post #1762 » by **Valid** » Wed Jul 18, 2018 4:33 pm

jfs1000d wrote:
The_Ghost_of_JB wrote:
amory87 wrote:Can't believe that was the best they could do.

That's a terrible deal for SA. They're screwed.

I can believe it. KL really put the spurs in a tough spot by saying he is leaving for the Lakers. Who knows if it will happen but is was enough to scare teams off and limit the spurs options. KL apparently doesn't want to play for the raps so this already isn't off to a great start.

I don't think it is the bad for the spurs. I think DD is a solid player.

They got an F'in all-star for Leonard. Where else were they getting that?

I mean, seriously, draft picks aren't that valuable now.

You guys love rookies and every pick is going to a potential superstar. DeRozan is a 20 plus PPG scorer and is going to score in bunches with the spurs. Holy crap is he going to do well there.

No one was offering as good a player as DeMar Derozan. You people are crazy if you think the spurs got off poorly. Considering he didn't want to play for them, didn't play last year at all. They got a star wing.

Except DeRozan is turning 29, can't shoot, can't create, can't defend and is on an expensive contract.

The Spurs got off poorly.

jirrit · Post #1763 » by **jirrit** » Wed Jul 18, 2018 4:38 pm

Raptors gonna raptor LOL.

Desperate move IMO. They were gonna try to get rid of DeRozan anyway but I think they better went the reset-it-all-mode instead of this 'cause I highly doubt Kawhi's gonna say, come July 2019, "oh what a nice experience this was, I'ma resign".

Celtic Esquire · Post #1764 » by **Celtic Esquire** » Wed Jul 18, 2018 4:38 pm

I don't even care about the trade.

I just wanted to see the Raptors board implode when Uncle Dennis convinces Kawhi to miss games during the season to save himself for free agency.

FakeScreenName123 · Post #1765 » by **FakeScreenName123** » Wed Jul 18, 2018 4:38 pm

Valid wrote:
jfs1000d wrote:
The_Ghost_of_JB wrote:
I can believe it. KL really put the spurs in a tough spot by saying he is leaving for the Lakers. Who knows if it will happen but is was enough to scare teams off and limit the spurs options. KL apparently doesn't want to play for the raps so this already isn't off to a great start.

I don't think it is the bad for the spurs. I think DD is a solid player.

They got an F'in all-star for Leonard. Where else were they getting that?

I mean, seriously, draft picks aren't that valuable now.

You guys love rookies and every pick is going to a potential superstar. DeRozan is a 20 plus PPG scorer and is going to score in bunches with the spurs. Holy crap is he going to do well there.

No one was offering as good a player as DeMar Derozan. You people are crazy if you think the spurs got off poorly. Considering he didn't want to play for them, didn't play last year at all. They got a star wing.

Except DeRozan is turning 29, can't shoot, can't create, can't defend and is on an expensive contract.

The Spurs got off poorly.

he's peaking in his prime coming off a career year as a 4x all star. yer being hyperbolic. Derozan isn't great but he's not useless.

Spurs got that player on a normal deal for that type of player for a poisoned asset. Spurs are right at the top of the group of what they got back from trading a top player. You don't get a lot from trading a top player and you definitely don't get a lot if he's out for the year with an injury. Spurs did well. Because the spurs always will do well til RC and Pop are gone.

Valid · Post #1766 » by **Valid** » Wed Jul 18, 2018 4:39 pm

FakeScreenName123 wrote:
Valid wrote:
jfs1000d wrote:
They got an F'in all-star for Leonard. Where else were they getting that?

I mean, seriously, draft picks aren't that valuable now.

You guys love rookies and every pick is going to a potential superstar. DeRozan is a 20 plus PPG scorer and is going to score in bunches with the spurs. Holy crap is he going to do well there.

No one was offering as good a player as DeMar Derozan. You people are crazy if you think the spurs got off poorly. Considering he didn't want to play for them, didn't play last year at all. They got a star wing.

Except DeRozan is turning 29, can't shoot, can't create, can't defend and is on an expensive contract.

The Spurs got off poorly.

he's peaking in his prime coming off a career year as a 4x all star. yer being hyperbolic. Derozan isn't great but he's not useless.

Spurs got that player on a normal deal for that type of player for a poisoned asset. Spurs are right at the top of the group of what they got back from trading a top player. You don't get a lot from a top player if you need him and you definitely don't get a lot if he's out for the year with an injury.

It's being hyperbolic to say that he's a net negative, a poor shooter, poor creator and poor defender with a lot of money left on his deal? Because all of that is literally true.

FakeScreenName123 · Post #1767 » by **FakeScreenName123** » Wed Jul 18, 2018 4:40 pm

Valid wrote:It's being hyperbolic to say that he's a net negative, a poor shooter, poor creator and poor defender with a lot of money left on his deal?

Yep. His contract is absolutely the norm for anybody who's a 4x all star in their prime coming off a career year. Great players don't have several flaws, really good ones do. That's the difference between all-star and all-nba. But yer still gonna pay $$ to get all-stars in this league. If anything, derozan was unfortunate not to get a contract a year later when everything really ballooned.

Valid · Post #1768 » by **Valid** » Wed Jul 18, 2018 4:42 pm

FakeScreenName123 wrote:
Valid wrote:It's being hyperbolic to say that he's a net negative, a poor shooter, poor creator and poor defender with a lot of money left on his deal?

Yep.

Then you don't know what that word means.

bucknersrevenge · Post #1769 » by **bucknersrevenge** » Wed Jul 18, 2018 4:45 pm

Valid wrote:
bucknersrevenge wrote:
sully00 wrote:
I think the playoff choker thing is a little strong. Based on losing to Lebron then Celtics are the most choking franchise going. What are they 1 and 15 in the playoffs against him? He is a 4 time All Star and was 2nd team All NBA this year and 3rd All NBA last year. He isn't a top 5 guy and he is 28 years old but he is still a hell of a player easily one of the 15 best players in the game. He has also missed like 8 games in the last 3 years that is something in itself.

His contract is fine he is going into year 3 of a 5 year deal with the year 5 a player option and he will likely opt out his deal is also flat so he makes several mil less than signing a max FA off the street.

If the Spurs bottom out they lose Popovich. This will likely keep him on the bench. They won 47 games without Leonard they could be a top 4 team in the West with DeRozan and he will be a better more efficient player in SA almost everyone is.

Exactly. He's extremely dependable and I'd be shocked if he didn't have his most efficient season as a pro this upcoming season. His resume is virtually unimpeachable for Top 15 status. I get that we have to crap on Raptor players and laugh at them when they do bad but talent is talent.

Top 15 players don't post negative net ratings every single year. He has only had ONE season with a positive net rating and it was all the way back in 2012.

DeMar DeRozan isn't good.

This has nothing to do with hating the Raptors because I personally couldn't care less about Toronto. It's about facts.

What's your source for this. I'm not doubting you right now. I just wanted to know where you found this because I can't.

Valid · Post #1770 » by **Valid** » Wed Jul 18, 2018 4:45 pm

bucknersrevenge wrote:
Valid wrote:
bucknersrevenge wrote:
Exactly. He's extremely dependable and I'd be shocked if he didn't have his most efficient season as a pro this upcoming season. His resume is virtually unimpeachable for Top 15 status. I get that we have to crap on Raptor players and laugh at them when they do bad but talent is talent.

Top 15 players don't post negative net ratings every single year. He has only had ONE season with a positive net rating and it was all the way back in 2012.

DeMar DeRozan isn't good.

This has nothing to do with hating the Raptors because I personally couldn't care less about Toronto. It's about facts.

What's your source for this. I'm not doubting you right now. I just wanted to know where you found this because I can't.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/d/derozde01/on-off/2018

You'll find his on/off splits for each year there.

FakeScreenName123 · Post #1771 » by **FakeScreenName123** » Wed Jul 18, 2018 4:46 pm

Valid wrote:
FakeScreenName123 wrote:
Valid wrote:It's being hyperbolic to say that he's a net negative, a poor shooter, poor creator and poor defender with a lot of money left on his deal?

Yep.

Then you don't know what that word means.

Ya I do and i can prove it:

saying a 4x all-star isn't good after coming off their career year at age 29 would be considered hyperbolic

Post #1772 » by **djFan71** » Wed Jul 18, 2018 4:47 pm

TOR could be getting a healthy, crazy motivated Kawhi. If I was him, I'd be busting my *** off and getting ready to just flat out dominate next year to re-establish myself as one of the top 3 players in the league. Carry that Raptors team as far as I can to prove it wasn't just Pop magic, etc. It would fix my broken brand and also give me a tryout to see if the Clippers are a viable option next summer instead of joining LeBron.

But, he could also be whiny, petulant, mysteriously hurt Kawhi, so who knows?

Worth the roll of the dice for Toronto, though. If it's the first case, they now have the ability to get both stops and buckets in closing time that they've been sorely lacking. If it's the 2nd, well...

Valid · Post #1773 » by **Valid** » Wed Jul 18, 2018 4:47 pm

FakeScreenName123 wrote:
Valid wrote:It's being hyperbolic to say that he's a net negative, a poor shooter, poor creator and poor defender with a lot of money left on his deal?

Yep. His contract is absolutely the norm for anybody who's a 4x all star in their prime coming off a career year. Great players don't have several flaws, really good ones do. That's the difference between all-star and all-nba. But yer still gonna pay $$ to get all-stars in this league. If anything, derozan was unfortunate not to get a contract a year later when everything really ballooned.

You just went back in and edited this post and completely moved the goal posts because it still doesn't disprove anything I said.

Valid · Post #1774 » by **Valid** » Wed Jul 18, 2018 4:48 pm

FakeScreenName123 wrote:
Valid wrote:
FakeScreenName123 wrote:
Yep.

Then you don't know what that word means.

Ya I do and i can prove it:

saying a 4x all-star isn't good after coming off their career year at age 29 would be considered hyperbolic

Except that is literally not what you said. You said it was hyperbolic to say he is a net negative, a poor shooter, poor defender and poor creator on an expensive contract when all of that is true.

If he were really that good, he wouldn't be a net negative every year.

FakeScreenName123 · Post #1775 » by **FakeScreenName123** » Wed Jul 18, 2018 4:49 pm

Valid wrote:
FakeScreenName123 wrote:
Valid wrote:Then you don't know what that word means.

Ya I do and i can prove it:

saying a 4x all-star isn't good after coming off their career year at age 29 would be considered hyperbolic

Except that is literally not what you said. You said it was hyperbolic to say he is a net negative, a poor shooter, poor defender and poor creator on an expensive contract.

You said:

bucknersrevenge wrote:
Valid wrote:
bucknersrevenge wrote:
Exactly. He's extremely dependable and I'd be shocked if he didn't have his most efficient season as a pro this upcoming season.His resume is virtually unimpeachable for Top 15 status I get that we have to crap on Raptor players and laugh at them when they do bad but talent is talent.

Top 15 players don't post negative net ratings every single year. He has only had ONE season with a positive net rating and it was all the way back in 2012.

DeMar DeRozan isn't good.

This has nothing to do with hating the Raptors because I personally couldn't care less about Toronto. It's about facts.

What's your source for this. I'm not doubting you right now. I just wanted to know where you found this because I can't.

truth18 · Post #1776 » by **truth18** » Wed Jul 18, 2018 4:50 pm

djFan71 wrote:TOR could be getting a healthy, crazy motivated Kawhi. If I was him, I'd be busting my *** off and getting ready to just flat out dominate next year to re-establish myself as one of the top 3 players in the league. Carry that Raptors team as far as I can to prove it wasn't just Pop magic, etc. It would fix my broken brand and also give me a tryout to see if the Clippers are a viable option next summer instead of joining LeBron.

But, he could also be whiny, petulant, mysteriously hurt Kawhi, so who knows?

Worth the roll of the dice for Toronto, though. If it's the first case, they now have the ability to get both stops and buckets in closing time that they've been sorely lacking. If it's the 2nd, well...

Let's hope its the latter. A motivated Kawhi is a ridiculous basketball player.

Nurse is in for a hell of a first year.

Valid · Post #1777 » by **Valid** » Wed Jul 18, 2018 4:51 pm

FakeScreenName123 wrote:
Valid wrote:
FakeScreenName123 wrote:

Ya I do and i can prove it:

saying a 4x all-star isn't good after coming off their career year at age 29 would be considered hyperbolic

Except that is literally not what you said. You said it was hyperbolic to say he is a net negative, a poor shooter, poor defender and poor creator on an expensive contract.

You said:

bucknersrevenge wrote:
Valid wrote:Top 15 players don't post negative net ratings every single year. He has only had ONE season with a positive net rating and it was all the way back in 2012.

[b]DeMar DeRozan isn't good.

This has nothing to do with hating the Raptors because I personally couldn't care less about Toronto. It's about facts.

What's your source for this. I'm not doubting you right now. I just wanted to know where you found this because I can't.

Right, but then I said:

Valid wrote:
It's being hyperbolic to say that he's a net negative, a poor shooter, poor creator and poor defender with a lot of money left on his deal?

To which you replied, "yep," and then went back in and edited to move the goal posts.

KGboss · Post #1778 » by **KGboss** » Wed Jul 18, 2018 4:53 pm

CeltsfanSinceBirth wrote:
KGboss wrote:Came in just to see the status of Afam.

How we doing, buddy?

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He is going to be upset, because he is going to say that Ainge could have easily beaten Toronto's offer, and that if Toronto was willing to risk trading for a rental, then we should have too. Am I right or am I wrong? The answer - it will eventually be both, based on his wishy-washy posting habits.

You're not wrong

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wco81 · Post #1779 » by **wco81** » Wed Jul 18, 2018 4:54 pm

What happens if Toronto wins the East instead of Celtics?

Celtics have several promising young players under 25 but a year from now, they got player options on Kyrie and Horford and Rozier becomes RFA.

How much in luxury taxes does the owner want to pay for a team which doesn't reach the Finals?

Celtics are still the favorites but even before the trade, didn't Toronto play the Celtics well last season?

Post #1780 » by **sully00** » Wed Jul 18, 2018 4:54 pm

Valid wrote:
Banks2Pierce wrote:
bucknersrevenge wrote:
Disagree. Derozan while having good athleticism, his game is not based on any ability as a high flyer. He's more in the "Pierce-mold".

Similar on the rim/power stuff, but Pierce could always shoot and defend. Derozan can't do either.

And fun fact: DeMar DeRozan has only posted a positive net rating ONCE in his career, and it was all the way back in 2012.

Can we stop pretending this dude is good?

Which shows that you should stop relying on this stat because it doesn't tell you what you want it to. What this stat tells you is the Raptors have a good bench not that it is somehow a negative on DeRozan. He is a plus 7 this should be the last time anyone uses this to describe the greatness or lack there of a player it is stupid way to use this stat. Compare to other guys on the same team playing in the same situation other than that it is Tacos and Raisins.