Celtics General Offseason Thread Pt 11: Kanter believe you thought of former player

[Banks2Pierce]

I think out of the guys on your list - I would want Giannis(obviously), Harden, or Beal. The first 2, IMO, are unattainable. I think Giannis stays. We will get outbid for Harden, IMO. It sucks saying that, but Danny is no longer the chip leader at the table. New Orleans and OKC are flush with picks and young players. Beal seems like a player we could make a great offer on, but is also not good enough for other teams to go all-in on.

Beal isn't in that conversation. I don't think Giannis is moving. Tatum is still the trump card for anyone with Zion being off the table. OKC has picks but no A grade asset, New Orleans has a bunch of B grade assets.

I'm not seeing The Move when I scan the league yet. Maybe Giannis will get finicky and make an early declaration of denying the supermax if Middleton or one of their other guys gets hurt and someone gets in his ear about them cheaping out on the Brogdon situation. Can't see anything significant happening with Harden, but the Morey China thing may make the whole thing awkward if the Westbrook trade flops.

Kemba and Hayward are 29 and we still have a big pick in our stash. Not sure Ainge is singing that bridge year tune. A guy always does swing loose. Just don't know from where yet.

[CeltsfanSinceBirth]

I think out of the guys on your list - I would want Giannis(obviously), Harden, or Beal. The first 2, IMO, are unattainable. I think Giannis stays. We will get outbid for Harden, IMO. It sucks saying that, but Danny is no longer the chip leader at the table. New Orleans and OKC are flush with picks and young players. Beal seems like a player we could make a great offer on, but is also not good enough for other teams to go all-in on.

Beal isn't in that conversation. I don't think Giannis is moving. Tatum is still the trump card for anyone with Zion being off the table. OKC has picks but no A grade asset, New Orleans has a bunch of B grade assets.

I'm not seeing The Move when I scan the league yet. Maybe Giannis will get finicky and make an early declaration of denying the supermax if Middleton or one of their other guys gets hurt and someone gets in his ear about them cheaping out on the Brogdon situation. Can't see anything significant happening with Harden, but the Morey China thing may make the whole thing awkward if the Westbrook trade flops.

Kemba and Hayward are 29 and we still have a big pick in our stash. Not sure Ainge is singing that bridge year tune. A guy always does swing loose. Just don't know from where yet.

What is the point of trading Tatum, though? You let go of him and it is more likely than not that you don't have enough left over to contend. Who are we throwing in on top of Tatum for salary matching purposes?

[SmartWentCrazy]

Yeah but who fits that description? Even if they did Boston cant compete in trades with LAL LAC BRK NYK MIA because the player will pull an AD and threaten to not show up.

Just spitballing, but guys I could see asking out:

-Giannis [pending FA, could tell Milwaukee hes out regardless]
-Harden [Could see this season blowing up on them, with Morey getting fired and Harden wanting out]
-Lillard [Portland could crash down to earth and he could ask out; wouldnt be a good fit but its a non-zero chance]
-Ben Simmons [theyd never trade him here, but he’s always going to be a bad fit with Embiid and maybe they look to do something new when they lose in round 2 again]
-Beal [if he turns down the supermax, no idea why he wouldnt consider playing with Tatum, who hes mentored for about 12 years now].

Not all are great fits, but new stars become available pretty regularly each year. Just need to regroup and stay ready.

Ben Simmons looks destined to join the Lakers after his next contract runs out. Klutch guy, wanted to be drafted by the Lakers, boning a Jenner, etc. I want no part of that dude.

I think out of the guys on your list - I would want Giannis(obviously), Harden, or Beal. The first 2, IMO, are unattainable. I think Giannis stays. We will get outbid for Harden, IMO. It sucks saying that, but Danny is no longer the chip leader at the table. New Orleans and OKC are flush with picks and young players. Beal seems like a player we could make a great offer on, but is also not good enough for other teams to go all-in on.

Why would Harden want to go to rebuilding NO or OKC though? He’d totally crush that potential deal.

[CeltsfanSinceBirth]

Just spitballing, but guys I could see asking out:

-Giannis [pending FA, could tell Milwaukee hes out regardless]
-Harden [Could see this season blowing up on them, with Morey getting fired and Harden wanting out]
-Lillard [Portland could crash down to earth and he could ask out; wouldnt be a good fit but its a non-zero chance]
-Ben Simmons [theyd never trade him here, but he’s always going to be a bad fit with Embiid and maybe they look to do something new when they lose in round 2 again]
-Beal [if he turns down the supermax, no idea why he wouldnt consider playing with Tatum, who hes mentored for about 12 years now].

Not all are great fits, but new stars become available pretty regularly each year. Just need to regroup and stay ready.

Ben Simmons looks destined to join the Lakers after his next contract runs out. Klutch guy, wanted to be drafted by the Lakers, boning a Jenner, etc. I want no part of that dude.

I think out of the guys on your list - I would want Giannis(obviously), Harden, or Beal. The first 2, IMO, are unattainable. I think Giannis stays. We will get outbid for Harden, IMO. It sucks saying that, but Danny is no longer the chip leader at the table. New Orleans and OKC are flush with picks and young players. Beal seems like a player we could make a great offer on, but is also not good enough for other teams to go all-in on.

Why would Harden want to go to rebuilding NO or OKC though? He’d totally crush that potential deal.

He's locked in until 2023. He doesn't really have leverage on which team he goes to.

[Feed Your Head]

I think the days of Tatum possibly being moved for a star are gone, unless Giannis magically were to become available.

I'd assume from this point forward, any big move they make would be trying to add a star player to play next to him.

[Feed Your Head]

Good lord, there are people on the GB trying to claim that the Grizzlies pick doesn't have much value.

[StojkoVrankovic]

Good lord, there are people on the GB trying to claim that the Grizzlies pick doesn't have much value.

Look at the roster, I haven’t heard of the majority of the players. They will suck

[Darth Celtic]

I think out of the guys on your list - I would want Giannis(obviously), Harden, or Beal. The first 2, IMO, are unattainable. I think Giannis stays. We will get outbid for Harden, IMO. It sucks saying that, but Danny is no longer the chip leader at the table. New Orleans and OKC are flush with picks and young players. Beal seems like a player we could make a great offer on, but is also not good enough for other teams to go all-in on.

Beal isn't in that conversation. I don't think Giannis is moving. Tatum is still the trump card for anyone with Zion being off the table. OKC has picks but no A grade asset, New Orleans has a bunch of B grade assets.

I'm not seeing The Move when I scan the league yet. Maybe Giannis will get finicky and make an early declaration of denying the supermax if Middleton or one of their other guys gets hurt and someone gets in his ear about them cheaping out on the Brogdon situation. Can't see anything significant happening with Harden, but the Morey China thing may make the whole thing awkward if the Westbrook trade flops.

Kemba and Hayward are 29 and we still have a big pick in our stash. Not sure Ainge is singing that bridge year tune. A guy always does swing loose. Just don't know from where yet.

2 things can happen to really improve our outlook that have nothing to do with the team itself. A major player or 2 from the bucks can get hurt and they slip to 6-7 seed (we have that 1st pick next year) and the Griz continuing to be terrible this year, but get unlucky and end with the 5th pick in this years draft because of draft lotto odds. We end up with an unprotected pick from a cap strapped young team who finished bottom 3 in wins this year, and another 20 ish pick from the bucks for a trade or young player.

[Darth Celtic]

Good lord, there are people on the GB trying to claim that the Grizzlies pick doesn't have much value.

Look at the roster, I haven’t heard of the majority of the players. They will suck

as long as they suck enough to end with a top 6 pick after lotto draft i'm happy. They could be a pretty good team in the West and still be far from a playoff spot.

[SmartWentCrazy]

Ben Simmons looks destined to join the Lakers after his next contract runs out. Klutch guy, wanted to be drafted by the Lakers, boning a Jenner, etc. I want no part of that dude.

I think out of the guys on your list - I would want Giannis(obviously), Harden, or Beal. The first 2, IMO, are unattainable. I think Giannis stays. We will get outbid for Harden, IMO. It sucks saying that, but Danny is no longer the chip leader at the table. New Orleans and OKC are flush with picks and young players. Beal seems like a player we could make a great offer on, but is also not good enough for other teams to go all-in on.

Why would Harden want to go to rebuilding NO or OKC though? He’d totally crush that potential deal.

He's locked in until 2023. He doesn't really have leverage on which team he goes to.

His last year is a player option— he’ll have two more years after this season guaranteed. As Paul George just showed, thats more than enough leverage to get to your desired team.

[SmartWentCrazy]

Good lord, there are people on the GB trying to claim that the Grizzlies pick doesn't have much value.

People get enamored with young names and conflate their expectations for what a player will one day be with what that player is today.

They also have short term memories and make false equivalences between the Kings and the Grizzlies, assuming that just because Fox made an unprecedented leap, Morant will as well.

[Slartibartfast]

I think out of the guys on your list - I would want Giannis(obviously), Harden, or Beal. The first 2, IMO, are unattainable. I think Giannis stays. We will get outbid for Harden, IMO. It sucks saying that, but Danny is no longer the chip leader at the table. New Orleans and OKC are flush with picks and young players. Beal seems like a player we could make a great offer on, but is also not good enough for other teams to go all-in on.

Beal isn't in that conversation. I don't think Giannis is moving. Tatum is still the trump card for anyone with Zion being off the table. OKC has picks but no A grade asset, New Orleans has a bunch of B grade assets.

I'm not seeing The Move when I scan the league yet. Maybe Giannis will get finicky and make an early declaration of denying the supermax if Middleton or one of their other guys gets hurt and someone gets in his ear about them cheaping out on the Brogdon situation. Can't see anything significant happening with Harden, but the Morey China thing may make the whole thing awkward if the Westbrook trade flops.

Kemba and Hayward are 29 and we still have a big pick in our stash. Not sure Ainge is singing that bridge year tune. A guy always does swing loose. Just don't know from where yet.

What is the point of trading Tatum, though? You let go of him and it is more likely than not that you don't have enough left over to contend. Who are we throwing in on top of Tatum for salary matching purposes?

The point of trading Tatum is the same as trading Brown - they can replace each other. Both are natural fits for the 3rd option role offensively. Both are natural SFs who work best as secondary threats (guys who don't have to be the first point of attack against a set D).

But trading them for a win-now piece is pretty much wholly dependent on Hayward. If Hayward returns to form, then you have two all-star talents in their twilight prime and a front office/coach itching to contend.

If Hayward is the same Evan Turner level player he was last year then it doesn't make much sense unless you are adding a comparably young player who fits the team better.

[Parliament10]

I know it's preseason. Not changing my take and don't have any reason to. I wish we had more blue chip talent. Jaylen could get there, but he's coming along slowly and seems to be fitting the "Demar Derozan" comparisons - super-athletic, develops his game gradually.

And Orlando will be good. They were a 7 seed who finished the season strong. Isaac has visibly bulked up. Bamba will keep developing. Aaron Gordon is basically done developing, all he'll do from here is refine his game. Aminu was a nice pick-up for them.

Love Orlando, been wanting AG for a very long time..thought we should have traded for him a while ago. Always thought he would have been awesome with Horford.

But you're overrating a lot of those dudes and sleeping on our guys. Like I said, Isaac had a 5 and 5 game a few days ago..he is nowhere near Tatum and neither is Bamba. At least not yet. We still have like 6 or 7 unfinished products on this team with Tatum, JB, Carsen, Romeo, Grant and Rob..who is to say none of those guys turn into something special?

I Agree with you Brother. We have a lot of Home Grown Talent. If any of them has a Breakout, it would be Great.
I'm also not sold on Trading for in a "Star". Not while we already have the makings of several Stars.

[GoCeltics123]

Just spitballing, but guys I could see asking out:

-Giannis [pending FA, could tell Milwaukee hes out regardless]
-Harden [Could see this season blowing up on them, with Morey getting fired and Harden wanting out]
-Lillard [Portland could crash down to earth and he could ask out; wouldnt be a good fit but its a non-zero chance]
-Ben Simmons [theyd never trade him here, but he’s always going to be a bad fit with Embiid and maybe they look to do something new when they lose in round 2 again]
-Beal [if he turns down the supermax, no idea why he wouldnt consider playing with Tatum, who hes mentored for about 12 years now].


Not all are great fits, but new stars become available pretty regularly each year. Just need to regroup and stay ready.

Ben Simmons looks destined to join the Lakers after his next contract runs out. Klutch guy, wanted to be drafted by the Lakers, boning a Jenner, etc. I want no part of that dude.

I think out of the guys on your list - I would want Giannis(obviously), Harden, or Beal. The first 2, IMO, are unattainable. I think Giannis stays. We will get outbid for Harden, IMO. It sucks saying that, but Danny is no longer the chip leader at the table. New Orleans and OKC are flush with picks and young players. Beal seems like a player we could make a great offer on, but is also not good enough for other teams to go all-in on.

Giannis obviously you go in on. But the rest I have no interest in at all.

Team needs bigmen.

Turner, KAT, Griffin, Joker, Embiid, Drummond, Bryant, get me 1 of those guys instead.

All of those guys yes, but I would yack if Drummond was on my team.

Definition of perennial loser. He could've been the best big man in the NBA and he didn't improve at all, hell he regressed!

Read on Twitter

^^ All you need to see

[itrsteve]

Jesus, now we're in Tatum trade discussions? Some of you are severely off your rocker. Stepping over a dollar to get a nickel.

It's time to get excited, we have shed the locker room of toxicity and are back to the underdog status where we shine the brightest.

[100proof]

Ben Simmons looks destined to join the Lakers after his next contract runs out. Klutch guy, wanted to be drafted by the Lakers, boning a Jenner, etc. I want no part of that dude.

I think out of the guys on your list - I would want Giannis(obviously), Harden, or Beal. The first 2, IMO, are unattainable. I think Giannis stays. We will get outbid for Harden, IMO. It sucks saying that, but Danny is no longer the chip leader at the table. New Orleans and OKC are flush with picks and young players. Beal seems like a player we could make a great offer on, but is also not good enough for other teams to go all-in on.

Giannis obviously you go in on. But the rest I have no interest in at all.

Team needs bigmen.

Turner, KAT, Griffin, Joker, Embiid, Drummond, Bryant, get me 1 of those guys instead.

All of those guys yes, but I would yack if Drummond was on my team.

Definition of perennial loser. He could've been the best big man in the NBA and he didn't improve at all, hell he regressed!

Read on Twitter

^^ All you need to see

Here, he wouldnt need to do any more than rebound, start the break, defend the middle and score on the inside.\

He would be a very good add on this team.

[Dannyboy36]

Good lord, there are people on the GB trying to claim that the Grizzlies pick doesn't have much value.

It’s possible it ends up a #10-15 pick in the end. Morant, Jackson jr, Big V, a top pick MAYBE next year. I don’t think that’s crazy.

[Dannyboy36]

Jesus, now we're in Tatum trade discussions? Some of you are severely off your rocker. Stepping over a dollar to get a nickel.

It's time to get excited, we have shed the locker room of toxicity and are back to the underdog status where we shine the brightest.

Between Hayward, Tatum and Haylen I’m not ready to say the toxic stuff is over. Hope so.

[Fencer reregistered]

Danny is a great GM, Brad is a great coach - Edwards, Grant, Rob Williams are talented young players, like Brown and Tatum. Smart and Walker are gamers through and through. If Hayward can dunk like he used to, we’re in decent shape. We’ll have some interesting trade possibilities, we have the Memphis pick.

We don’t have anyone with the raw talent of Zion, Doncic, Ben Simmons, Donovan Mitchell, even Lonzo Ball. Tatum has some of it as a scorer, and he’s got the upside to become dominant eventually, like Giannis or Paul George, but right now he doesn’t have the ability to impact a game like those players, to take it over.

I agree.

Being down about what has happened and the moves or lack of moves Danny has made seems to be frowned upon around here though.

Lonzo more talented and dominant than Tatum? Really??

[Bill Lumbergh]

It's great in theory. Problem is our more defensive oriented big options aren't very compelling. Poirier is skinny and seems to be lacking in lateral quickness. RW3 lacks physicality and awareness on both ends. Theis is too small.

They will all at least contest shots, which is more than I can say for Kanter, but not sure if any of them are good enough even to spot start.

My guess is Theis will win out and become a 15mpg starter.

I thought Poirier moved his feet pretty well and cut off drives pretty well. Not much of a sample size, to be sure. There was a good article on CelticsBlog with some video that showcased Poirier defending a few plays, fwiw. Here it is:

https://www.celticsblog.com/2019/10/8/20903409/three-things-boston-celtics-vs-charlotte-hornets-kemba-walker-jaylen-brown-vincent-poirier

VP was a great addition IMO, and I firmly believe that the starting center position is his...he just needs to take it.

He's got a shot at it. It's wide open for anyone to step up and take it. I honestly don't know enough about him to say. Basically, what we saw last preseason game is what I know about him, other than I saw he could dunk the heck out of it in Euroleague highlights.