The 2021-2022 I Wouldn't Trade Brown for Simmons Because He's a Clown Trade Thread

[zoyathedestroya]

Thoughts on Cam Reddish? Shams says Hawks want a 1st for him. JB/Cam/JT would be a damn interesting mix, but wonder if they would get in each others way..

It's up to the Jays. As far as I've seen, we're just a better team when we play with pace, share the ball, and more players are empowered and involved in making plays.

https://www.espn.com/nba/insider/insider/story/_/id/32930435/lowe-10-things-melo-hilarious-yells-baffling-celtics-glorious-return-warriors

On good nights, they look incredible. They blow out the Lakers and Bucks. Brown and Tatum make quick decisions -- grab-and-go drives, early passes that catch the defense on the wrong foot.

Smart dials back his shot selection, and looks like the team's best passer.

And then, poof: They go back to the team that holds the ball, plays too slowly, and ranks 24th in assist rate.

If a team leaves you puzzled over and over -- tantalizing with hopeful flashes amid long periods of drudgery -- it means one of two things: that it's only a matter of time before they put it together and roar, or that something is missing.

It doesn't feel like these Celtics will roar, at least not this season. So what's missing? It could be a fast-twitch playmaker to tie everyone together; some ineffable bit of chemistry between Tatum and Brown; or some unknown.

You keep saying this and starting now I will keep agreeing however I still feel it is imperative that the coach makes them play that way.

Not sure what coaches can do more at this point. The fact that they can do it and have done it (happens every 6 games or so) means that the system is in place. We've also heard so many times how Ime has admonished them either at shootaround, halftime, timeouts, and/or post-game on playing the right way. I think Tatum has been benched a couple of times. They've been called out in pressers.

Not even counting what happens behind the scenes.

[playa-hater]

It's up to the Jays. As far as I've seen, we're just a better team when we play with pace, share the ball, and more players are empowered and involved in making plays.

https://www.espn.com/nba/insider/insider/story/_/id/32930435/lowe-10-things-melo-hilarious-yells-baffling-celtics-glorious-return-warriors

You keep saying this and starting now I will keep agreeing however I still feel it is imperative that the coach makes them play that way.

Not sure what coaches can do more at this point. The fact that they can do it and have done it (happens every 6 games or so) means that the system is in place. We've also heard so many times how Ime has admonished them either at shootaround, halftime, timeouts, and/or post-game on playing the right way. I think Tatum has been benched a couple of times. They've been called out in pressers.

Not even counting what happens behind the scenes.

Maybe letting the Js hire a coach of their approval, with no track record doesn't put enough respect in them was a Big mistake.

Or maybe the Js play like that no matter who the coach is. Can only speculate at this point. But what seems like a near fact to me is this team, under this current construction, is going to stay under-achieving until something is changed.

[zoyathedestroya]

You keep saying this and starting now I will keep agreeing however I still feel it is imperative that the coach makes them play that way.

Not sure what coaches can do more at this point. The fact that they can do it and have done it (happens every 6 games or so) means that the system is in place. We've also heard so many times how Ime has admonished them either at shootaround, halftime, timeouts, and/or post-game on playing the right way. I think Tatum has been benched a couple of times. They've been called out in pressers.

Not even counting what happens behind the scenes.

Maybe letting the Js hire a coach of their approval, with no track record doesn't put enough respect in them was a Big mistake.

Or maybe the Js play like that no matter who the coach is. Can only speculate at this point. But what seems like a near fact to me is this team, under this current construction, is going to stay under-achieving until something is changed.

While both guys welcomed Ime as their new coach since they've already worked with him on Team USA, I don't think they were part of the hiring/search process. Tatum even said he was surprised by the GM and coaching change.

Anyway, I agree something has to change. I prefer moving Jaylen for another star who'd fit better with Tatum and team ball overall. Just dunno who that is. My guess is FO will roll with the Jays and will only break them up two offseasons from now, at the earliest. They've yet to see this team healthy for a longer stretch. First thing they'll do is surround them with "better talent" (which we already had with Hayward and Kemba) or get a better PG. We're stuck with what we have this year (except for a minor trade).

[Fierce1]

Not sure what coaches can do more at this point. The fact that they can do it and have done it (happens every 6 games or so) means that the system is in place. We've also heard so many times how Ime has admonished them either at shootaround, halftime, timeouts, and/or post-game on playing the right way. I think Tatum has been benched a couple of times. They've been called out in pressers.

Not even counting what happens behind the scenes.

Maybe letting the Js hire a coach of their approval, with no track record doesn't put enough respect in them was a Big mistake.

Or maybe the Js play like that no matter who the coach is. Can only speculate at this point. But what seems like a near fact to me is this team, under this current construction, is going to stay under-achieving until something is changed.

While both guys welcomed Ime as their new coach since they've already worked with him on Team USA, I don't think they were part of the hiring/search process. Tatum even said he was surprised by the GM and coaching change.

Anyway, I agree something has to change. I prefer moving Jaylen for another star who'd fit better with Tatum and team ball overall. Just dunno who that is. My guess is FO will roll with the Jays and will only break them up two offseasons from now, at the earliest. They've yet to see this team healthy for a longer stretch. First thing they'll do is surround them with "better talent" (which we already had with Hayward and Kemba) or get a better PG. We're stuck with what we have this year (except for a minor trade).

Agree with that assessment.

Also, if a minor trade is getting a guy like Dejounte Murray, that's already an upgrade.

[Fierce1]

Tim Legler of ESPN said the Celts will always be in the hunt because of the Jays.

The problem is the Celts don't have a playmaker, according to Legler.

So if Brad can upgrade the PG position, that allows Marcus Smart to return to the role of SG/PG.
For 2 seasons now it's very clear that Smart is not a real PG.
Yes, Smart makes great passes, but that doesn't mean he can run an offense.

Letting the Jays run the offense doesn't work.

What the Celts need is a real floor general.

After the PG position, Brad should add another shooter.

The question is can Brad make upgrades this season or do we have to wait until the summer of 2022?

[playa-hater]

Tim Legler of ESPN said the Celts will always be in the hunt because of the Jays.

The problem is the Celts don't have a playmaker, according to Legler.

So if Brad can upgrade the PG position, that allows Marcus Smart to return to the role of SG/PG.
For 2 seasons now it's very clear that Smart is not a real PG.
Yes, Smart makes great passes, but that doesn't mean he can run an offense.

Letting the Jays run the offense doesn't work.

What the Celts need is a real floor general.

After the PG position, Brad should add another shooter.

The question is can Brad make upgrades this season or do we have to wait until the summer of 2022?

How many floor generals are out there and even possibly available?? I like Dejounte Murray, but at what price.. Hali is my top choice, but at what price? There aren't any CP3s out there??

[GoGreen]

For the record the one player at point guard I feel would be perfect for this team going forward with all the qualities that Tatum and Brown need and Boston needs Would be halliburton. I just wish there was a way to get him.

Brother you are speaking my LANGUAGE talking about Haliburton. I was so bummed when he went 12 to the kings. That kid will be a pro at running an offense soon enough. Hard to see Sac letting him go.

[playa-hater]

For the record the one player at point guard I feel would be perfect for this team going forward with all the qualities that Tatum and Brown need and Boston needs Would be halliburton. I just wish there was a way to get him.

Brother you are speaking my LANGUAGE talking about Haliburton. I was so bummed when he went 12 to the kings. That kid will be a pro at running an offense soon enough. Hard to see Sac letting him go.

Sac should keep Hali, but they have a log jam at PG. Maybe we can use our projected mid first rder and a wing like Romeo or Nesmith for Hali. They would still have Fox and Mitchell for their PG spot, add a first and a young wing..

[GoGreen]

For the record the one player at point guard I feel would be perfect for this team going forward with all the qualities that Tatum and Brown need and Boston needs Would be halliburton. I just wish there was a way to get him.

Brother you are speaking my LANGUAGE talking about Haliburton. I was so bummed when he went 12 to the kings. That kid will be a pro at running an offense soon enough. Hard to see Sac letting him go.

Sac should keep Hali, but they have a log jam at PG. Maybe we can use our projected mid first rder and a wing like Romeo or Nesmith for Hali. They would still have Fox and Mitchell for their PG spot, add a first and a young wing..

They def have a log jam. If Nesmith or Romeo and a lottery first could entice them? Shoot, I'd do it. This team needs a PG bad. Dream scenario would be to trade for him, then go into the off season and sign & trade for Beal. Hali/Beal/JB/JT/Rob.. but now I'm getting too ahead of myself

[Fierce1]

How many floor generals are out there and even possibly available?? I like Dejounte Murray, but at what price.. Hali is my top choice, but at what price? There aren't any CP3s out there??

Depends on who becomes available.

Dejounte and Fox are the ideal as their age is similar to that of the Jays.

If the Spurs want out Murray's contract, I think the Celts will be able to afford him.

Fox may be more expensive.

Celts just need a real PG.
He doesn't have to be a CP3 caliber type PG.
Just someone who can run an offense.

It has become clear that Marcus Smart is not the answer at PG.

[Fierce1]

I think the Kings would keep Haliburton instead of Fox.

This is also the first December that no trades have happened.
Very unusual.

[Bill Lumbergh]

I think the Kings would keep Haliburton instead of Fox.

This is also the first December that no trades have happened.
Very unusual.

Definitely agree with this, because of play and that rookie scale contract.

[cl2117]

Pacers seem like they're gearing up to blow it up and while we might not be able to get their studs, TJ McConnell is a guy I'd target.

Not going to help with our shooting woes, but he's a pretty good facilitator and a dog on defense. He'd yin and yang well with Pritchard as a backup PG. Between the two of them you've got passing, defense and shooting.

[GoGreen]

I think the Kings would keep Haliburton instead of Fox.

This is also the first December that no trades have happened.
Very unusual.

Hate to say it, but you're right. Better contract, and already better at running the offense. Fox is a score first guy, less of the floor general type, and a lesser defender. I'm honestly not convinced he'd fit well here. I'd give Sacramento whatever they wanted minus the Jays for Hali

[Andrew McCeltic]

Only “playmaker” we have a distant hope for us Simmons in a multi team trade.. long shot. There’s no one else available. But fits and starts of good basketball from this roster make sense when it’s the first time Tatum and Brown are being asked to playmake, and break their iso instincts.

[Larry_Russell]

Fox could be a tremendous play maker and may be available

[playa-hater]

Fox could be a tremendous play maker and may be available

what do you think it would cost us??? remember that Sac probably wants a near king's ransom for him.

[Larry_Russell]

Fox could be a tremendous play maker and may be available

what do you think it would cost us??? remember that Sac probably wants a near king's ransom for him.

I would have to imagine they want a bigman for him.

[kb02]

Only way Fox goes to Boston is if the returning piece is Brown.

I’m not saying Fox has the same value as Brown, but Horford, plus picks (likely non-lottery), plus middling recent picks like Nesmith for Fox is pure fantasy. It’s like Kings fans proposing Bagley, two firsts, and Hield for Brown. A complete non starter.

[Bird4Three]

I want to keep JB and move Tatum. I’m just tired of his game.I really do feel he’s the problem now. I was also thinking of something with the Kings, with Haliburton being the number one choice. If they decide to keep him, maybe Fox+Barnes/Hield?