Trade/Free Agency Thread, pt 5, 2023-24 – (6PM [ET], Fri, June 30)

[zoyathedestroya]

Any rumor would do. More, however silly.

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[Scarletfire81]

The main concern of this team is health by far. What’s the chances Malcolm, RWIII, & KP are all healthy for a full season? That’s why they should consider moving Brogdon & possibly Timelord. Don’t give them away though.

Brogdon, Kornet, and Timelord for Garland and Mobley works.

Giving them Kornet is a dealbreaker for me.

[Larry_Russell]

Brogdon
for
Powell and Boston Jr.

Jericho Sims for a 2nd rounder into the cleared space.

Taxpayer MLE or grant W sign and trade for PG depth.


White/Pritchard/...
Brown/Powell/Walsh
Tatum/Boston Jr/Hauser
Porzingas/Horford/Griffin
Timelord/Sims/Kornet

[165bows]

After some thought on all this, and numerous posts of me flip-flopping on ideas of who to keep and who to let go, I really think this is the best way to go FOR THIS UPCOMING SEASON ONLY.

July 1st:
Sign Brown to the full super max. Rip off the band-aid and lock him up. He may be the highest paid player when he signs, but he won't be for long, and Tatum will be when he signs his super max next off season.
Sign and trade Grant for the most you can get, but don't get greedy like Ainge would and end up with no asset coming back at all.
Sign Griffin to a minimum one-year deal.
Sign Walsh to a 2-way contract.
Guarantee Kornet's deal.

July 6th:
Sign Porzingis to the max we can, 2 for 77 million, I think. Lock up your 3 best assets for as long as you can and fill in around with what you can.
Sign a SF vet back up. I think we need a better option backing up Tatum and Brown to start the season. I like Hauser, but we need a more athletic player there, and Walsh will need some time.

After Summer league:
Sign Champagnie to longest minimum deal you can. I still like Kabengele for a deep roster big, so sign him to a deal similär to Hauser's or Kornet's deal last year.
Sign Vincent Valerio-Bodon and Aleksander Balcerowski both to 2-way contracts. This, along with Walch will give us 2 forwards and a big in our "farm system".

The above would give us:
White, Brown, Tatum, Rob Williams, Porzingis
Pritchard, Brogdon, (_____), Horford, Kornet (maybe Coach Sam will tell Kornet to watch and try to do everything Porzingis does lol)
Davison, Champagnie, Hauser, Griffin, Kabengele
2-way contracts:
Walsh, Vincent Valerio-Bodon, Aleksander Balcerowski (This gives us some size that we can pull from during the season, to rest our big men when necessary.

Keep Brogdon this season. We need his ball handling for the second unit, and his leadership of the team.
Once all of our core guys are locked up, then next summer we can look at keeping Brogdon or not. He'll be an ending contract and easier to move, if warranted. So, next season, when Brown's max kicks in, and Tatum signed his extension, we will only have Tatum, Brown, Porzingis, Rob Williams and any of the minimum guys signed this year. White, Horford and Brogdon will all be on ending contracts.

Yup, very viable plan. I do think the (blank) guy though is a combo guard guy rather than a wing. Just not sure who though lol.

[zoyathedestroya]

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Eh. There's no standout team right now that we'd have a shot at winning a title next few years. Other teams would stumble into same roster building issues too with the new CBA. And like you said, it mostly depends on Tatum taking it to another level (and not getting hurt at any point in the postseason). I just think we can have a higher ceiling esp on offense if we had a different #2 beside Tatum. Maybe Zinger is already that #2 and that's why Brad made the trade. I just don't see JB wanting to be relegated to 3rd banana on offense while being more of a lockdown defender esp now that he's getting paid as a top guy.

We don’t have a chip yet because Tatum it’s not consistent enough to be a number 1/MVP level talent. He’s close but not there yet. Any other Top 5 would have won with the Celtics roster of the last 2 years.

It’s Tatum ‘s mentality that’s the problem. He has a tendency to disappear unlike other superstars. How can you have a game where you are unstoppable, then play meh the next game? I think he doubts himself at times. If he misses a couple of shots early, it messes with his head. I thought losing in the finals would straight him up. I gues not.

I think all superstars are like that - especially in the modern NBA. It's just that you watch Tatum every game so you notice it more.

Also, keep in mind that Tatum is only 25 still. Most superstars don't win a title till they're at least 27 or 28.

Also, Tatum has had 3 head coaches in the past 3 years which also makes it it tougher be at his best more consistently.

Age of 1st title..

Curry 27
KD 28
Lebron 27
Shaq 28
Dirk 32
Giannis 26
Jokic 28
Garnett 32

My next project might be to look up how many guys in NBA history (or at least in the past 20 years or so) have made 2 all-NBA 1st teams, finished top 4 in MVP voting and been the best player on a team that made the NBA finals all by the age of 25 and did NOT eventually win a title..

[zoyathedestroya]

Other teams should realize how invaluable having Finals experience is for their own team’s pursuit of a title. Give us your unprotected 1sts for Grant Williams and Payton Pritchard already! You can thank us later!

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Maybe. But I'm not sure he's that much better than Hauser and doesn't offer much that Hauser doesn't offer. I'd rather get a bench wing who is either a) clearly better than Hauser and/or b) clearly offers some other stuff that Hauser doesn't

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Brogdon
for
Powell and Boston Jr.

Jericho Sims for a 2nd rounder into the cleared space.

Taxpayer MLE or grant W sign and trade for PG depth.


White/Pritchard/...
Brown/Powell/Walsh
Tatum/Boston Jr/Hauser
Porzingas/Horford/Griffin
Timelord/Sims/Kornet

IDK. I wouldn't hate the Brogdon for Powell swap.

But I'm not super high on BJ Boston.

Sims seems like he could be a decent 4th big. Kind of like Garuba in that he's a guy with talent but is just on a team where he's behind a few other guys at his position so it's hard for him to get minutes. What I like about Garuba though is that he can play the 4 or the 5. Sims is just a 5, so you wouldn't be able to play him and rob at the same time. Plus, Garuba has more upside as 1st round pick who's only 21. Sims was a 2nd round pick who is 24 (will be 25 in october).

Also, while I don't think it's a bad idea to take a flier on 1 young, unproven, still developing guy - I don't see Brad adding 2 of them (Boston and Sims). Brad's preference definitely seems to be adding proven vets who are 27 or older.

Wouldn't shock me at all though if Brad has kept conversations going with the Clippers about some type of Brogdon for Powell swap, though..they're both 6'4" but Powell obviously plays bigger. Powell seems to be less injury prone, he seems to play tougher, with more of an edge. And he could be a microwave type of wing scorer off the bench, playing alongside more of a pass-first PG like White (and perhaps you get someone like Monte Morris to fill that backup guard slot.

[Celts17Pride]

Trade Pritchard, Kornet, Champagnie, future 2nd for Kyle Anderson. Sign-and-trade Grant to Dallas, Bullock & DAL 2nd go to Washington, Delon Wright goes to Boston. We lose our TP-MLE.

White | Brown | Tatum | Porzingis | Timelord
Wright | Brogdon | Hauser | Anderson | Horford
Davison | Javonte | Walsh | Griffin

Salaries up to $189.5M, above second apron but can you really get a Wright or Anderson via TP-MLE? About $17.5M above the tax line. Cs were $26.5M above tax line last season.

That's a lot of guys who can handle the ball and are willing passers. Doesn't have to be Griffin but we need another big. Leave 15th spot open. Bunch of salaries we can cobble together if another star becomes available and want to go crazy by midseason.

Has to be done before new league year aka July 1st since once the new cba is in effect tax teams have to do 110% in salary matching instead of 125 and we can’t get to Anderson salary then

Damn, that's right. Once June 30 passes, trades become limited for us and it might just be easier to keep all of Brogdon, Pritchard, and Grant lol.

Expecting there will be a number of trades across the league today and tomorrow because of this

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He is probably a Sun

[Celts17Pride]

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Looks like FVV nd Brooks. Not sure this is how I would spend $64 million.

[Scarletfire81]

I was just reading about the 2nd apron, you essentially can’t do anything once you reach that tier in salary. You can’t even sign someone in the buyout market. I guess I understand why people are concerned about the JB supermax contract. Although it would really affect us as much until Tatum signs his. So basically the 2025-26 season.

[Celtics_Champs]

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Looks like FVV nd Brooks. Not sure this is how I would spend $64 million.

Terrible offseason plan.

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Why exactly can't we still get Tyus Jones?

Because Memphis worked with him on moving him to a team where he could finally be a full-time starting PG.

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That will likely happen in Washington. That would likely not happen in Boston.

[ddb]

No one is thrilled about a Jaylen supermax; but I also don’t think it’s the death knell many fear it will be.

I still think Brad is going to offer less and if Jaylen won't accept, he will trade him. He can still get 5/250 which I think is reasonable for Jaylen

[165bows]

I was just reading about the 2nd apron, you essentially can’t do anything once you reach that tier in salary. You can’t even sign someone in the buyout market. I guess I understand why people are concerned about the JB supermax contract. Although it would really affect us as much until Tatum signs his. So basically the 2025-26 season.

Boston didn't even sign any buyout guys last year. They signed Gallo to the MLE, and made a tiny trade (Muscala), neither of which they could do over the apron. But neither move made a real impact at all.

[Celts17Pride]

No one is thrilled about a Jaylen supermax; but I also don’t think it’s the death knell many fear it will be.

I still think Brad is going to offer less and if Jaylen won't accept, he will trade him. He can still get 5/250 which I think is reasonable for Jaylen

Been saying this all along. I think Brown gets somewhere between $250-$265 million.