Trade Post-Mortem 2017: Eight is Enough

[SmartWentCrazy]

1) this doesn't need its own thread and should be in the trade thread

2) Golden State laughs hard at this offer

[BRUNiNHO91]

Yeah it's going to take a 'little' bit more than that to get Klay. But I do think he's the odd man out there in the next few years..you can just see it in his face..he's like that best friend that has been relegated to 2nd best friend and completely hates it.

[London2Boston]

Would love him in Green. He's a perfect fit here. Would take the Brooklyn pick though I imagine.

[theman]

If Ainge fails to sign a big free agent this summer, the trade deadline was a waste (unless the Celtics win the Championship, which I don't see happening). If Ainge signs Hayward, which the fact Utah was swept by GSW and hopefully Boston can win a game or two vs. Cleveland, is possible, or Griffin or Durant (dream) then it makes sense to maintained the cap flexibility at the trade deadline. If not, it was a failure.

I would like to see Durant leave GSW after they win the championship (okay I would prefer Boston to win it but...) and come to Boston as a FA. I don't think it is likely but I could see it happening. GSW has not achieved to the sum of their parts, plus acquiring Durant made them one of the most hated teams and I don't think Durant likes that.

[ddb]

Yeah it's going to take a 'little' bit more than that to get Klay. But I do think he's the odd man out there in the next few years..you can just see it in his face..he's like that best friend that has been relegated to 2nd best friend and completely hates it.

this is a real thing dating back to before the season began. Klay was not too thrilled about the Warriors organization going all-in on Durant. Nothing to do with Durant himself. Simply a case of Klay being a #2 on a team that came 1 win away from back to back titles, then his organization feeling like it wasn't good enough and they had to go out and get Durant.
Adding Durant doesn't impact Dray Green. It really doesn't impact Steph either... if makes their jobs easier, actually. But for Klay, his role diminished and there are far too many stretches where he stands around and isn't a part of the offense.

I can see him wanting out win or lose. And I think Golden State will be open to trading him. Especially, after dropping big time cash to Curry & Durant this offseason.

[Captain_Caveman]

Yeah it's going to take a 'little' bit more than that to get Klay. But I do think he's the odd man out there in the next few years..you can just see it in his face..he's like that best friend that has been relegated to 2nd best friend and completely hates it.

this is a real thing dating back to before the season began. Klay was not too thrilled about the Warriors organization going all-in on Durant. Nothing to do with Durant himself. Simply a case of Klay being a #2 on a team that came 1 win away from back to back titles, then his organization feeling like it wasn't good enough and they had to go out and get Durant.
Adding Durant doesn't impact Dray Green. It really doesn't impact Steph either... if makes their jobs easier, actually. But for Klay, his role diminished and there are far too many stretches where he stands around and isn't a part of the offense.

I can see him wanting out win or lose. And I think Golden State will be open to trading him. Especially, after dropping big time cash to Curry & Durant this offseason.

I was having the same thought a while back but don't think it will shake out that way. KD and Iggy will take a little less than they are eligible for, and they can have two more years with this core.

Maybe that changes if the Cavs beat them again, but I have no indication to that.

[165bows]

Yeah it's going to take a 'little' bit more than that to get Klay. But I do think he's the odd man out there in the next few years..you can just see it in his face..he's like that best friend that has been relegated to 2nd best friend and completely hates it.

this is a real thing dating back to before the season began. Klay was not too thrilled about the Warriors organization going all-in on Durant. Nothing to do with Durant himself. Simply a case of Klay being a #2 on a team that came 1 win away from back to back titles, then his organization feeling like it wasn't good enough and they had to go out and get Durant.
Adding Durant doesn't impact Dray Green. It really doesn't impact Steph either... if makes their jobs easier, actually. But for Klay, his role diminished and there are far too many stretches where he stands around and isn't a part of the offense.

I can see him wanting out win or lose. And I think Golden State will be open to trading him. Especially, after dropping big time cash to Curry & Durant this offseason.

I was having the same thought a while back but don't think it will shake out that way. KD and Iggy will take a little less than they are eligible for, and they can have two more years with this core.

Maybe that changes if the Cavs beat them again, but I have no indication to that.

Seems like next year would be the first possibility (ie, next summer)?

Thompson would be eligible for a solid raise in a renegotiation/extension ($8M+ for 18-19) with a team with cap space. Plus, GS would need to determine two things: who gets the other DPE max, Klay or Green? Also, can they afford two DPE maxes, Durant's 10 year vet max, and another non-DPE max on the roster?

I could definitely see it coming to that, but next summer would start any of the real (non personality-based) pain points. If Klay wouldn't get offered a DPE max, and could go somewhere, be a bigger feature, and get a near 8 figure raise,they might look at it if they hit their $ limit. Not really sure what that looks like though.

[chrisab123]

The smart play is to trade Bradley/Crowder for the best big possible while signing Hayward.

[fallguy]

YET AGAIN - Ainge was right to hold onto the pick at the deadline.

YET AGAIN - board posters arguing to trade it for Butler/George were wrong.

A whole lotta humble pie being served tonight.

But everybody should be happy to eat it.

[Banks2Pierce]

Man, is this a complicated situation now. In the good way. Glad we have Zarren. Need to cut a good amount of salary if we want a max player. Backcourt is crowded with Smart, Bradley, and IT hitting FA next summer. Zeller's guarantee date(trades) is July 2 and Hayward is likely to take meetings until July 4. KO walking and being replaced by Eurostashed rookies is going to make us worse. There's just a lot going on.

Philly landed in the Tatum/Jackson range instead of the Monk range so maybe they entertain Bradley for Lakers pick(top 3 converting to a Philly pick if not conveyed) talks? Going to be blood spilled within our roster for guys a lot of us like.

[GregB]

Man, is this a complicated situation now. In the good way. Glad we have Zarren. Need to cut a good amount of salary if we want a max player. Backcourt is crowded with Smart, Bradley, and IT hitting FA next summer. Zeller's guarantee date(trades) is July 2 and Hayward is likely to take meetings until July 4. KO walking and being replaced by Eurostashed rookies is going to make us worse. There's just a lot going on.

Philly landed in the Tatum/Jackson range instead of the Monk range so maybe they entertain Bradley for Lakers pick(top 3 converting to a Philly pick if not conveyed) talks? Going to be blood spilled within our roster for guys a lot of us like.

I could see a scenario where we try and keep Kelly on a 4yr 60 mil deal. But I could see Brooklyn throwing a max deal at him. In that case he is gone.

[drs123310]

Man, is this a complicated situation now. In the good way. Glad we have Zarren. Need to cut a good amount of salary if we want a max player. Backcourt is crowded with Smart, Bradley, and IT hitting FA next summer. Zeller's guarantee date(trades) is July 2 and Hayward is likely to take meetings until July 4. KO walking and being replaced by Eurostashed rookies is going to make us worse. There's just a lot going on.

Philly landed in the Tatum/Jackson range instead of the Monk range so maybe they entertain Bradley for Lakers pick(top 3 converting to a Philly pick if not conveyed) talks? Going to be blood spilled within our roster for guys a lot of us like.

I could see a scenario where we try and keep Kelly on a 4yr 60 mil deal. But I could see Brooklyn throwing a max deal at him. In that case he is gone.

A max deal for Kelly? Are you high?

[Fencer reregistered]

Boston's roster is full of guys with cap holds less than their value -- IT, Jae, Avery, Kelly, Jaylen, Marcus, Terry at least. The only one who would be hard to trade for logistics reasons is Kelly. He's also at a thinner position than the others. So I think he's pretty likely to stay.

The other obvious keepers are whoever you think is so good that he simply shouldn't be traded for any realistic package, e.g. IT or Jaylen.

[djFan71]

My new plan: "The Two Pauls If Possible Approach"

1. Draft Fultz.

2. Free Agency:
Renounce: Mickey, Zeller, Green, Amir, JJ.
Give whatever money is left (should be near, but not quite max) to Milsap. Rely on Al telling him great things, joining a contender, etc.

3. Sign & Trade KO, Terry, Crowder, BOS18, LAC18 for Paul George.*
Add some 2017 2nd rounders or even MEM19 if needed, but not BKN18.

Main rotation:

IT, Markelle
AB, Marcus
PG13, Jaylen
Milsap, Vet min, Yabs
Al, Zizic

Sprinkle in Nader, vet min signings (maybe Amir or JJ back? Gerald? Ring chasers?). It would be a great starting unit, with a young bench. But we keep Jaylen, Markell & BK18 for the future with a real chance at contending next year. Then you get to put off your decisions on AB\Marcus\IT contracts until you see Markelle for a year and more development from Smart & Jaylen.

Obviously this depends on a couple things that may not happen - Milsap taking less than max. Indiana going for rotation guys & a boatload of picks rather than full on youth (ie, Magic offering Russell/Ingram for PG). But, both seem mildly possible.


* Can you combine S&T with other players now under new CBA? If not, or IND says no, just you match KO and run back the same squad adding Fultz, Milsap, and Zizic. With Markelle, you don't need Hayward's wing scoring as much, so you can go Milsap who provides quite a bit anyways, but also gives you defense and rebounding.

[GregB]

Man, is this a complicated situation now. In the good way. Glad we have Zarren. Need to cut a good amount of salary if we want a max player. Backcourt is crowded with Smart, Bradley, and IT hitting FA next summer. Zeller's guarantee date(trades) is July 2 and Hayward is likely to take meetings until July 4. KO walking and being replaced by Eurostashed rookies is going to make us worse. There's just a lot going on.

Philly landed in the Tatum/Jackson range instead of the Monk range so maybe they entertain Bradley for Lakers pick(top 3 converting to a Philly pick if not conveyed) talks? Going to be blood spilled within our roster for guys a lot of us like.

I could see a scenario where we try and keep Kelly on a 4yr 60 mil deal. But I could see Brooklyn throwing a max deal at him. In that case he is gone.

A max deal for Kelly? Are you high?

No. People make stupid decisions in FA. Especially in restricted free agency when teams are trying to force teams not to match.

Who is better than Kelly that Brooklyn has a realistic shot at?

[sam_I_am]

I think an interesting option - apart from big trade for George or signing FA like Hayward - is to trade down to 4 or 5 pick plus a player. 4 plus Booker or 5 plus WCS or Hield or 5/10/McElmore. And then resign Kelly. Not my first choice but intersting.

Maybe even #6 to draft Isaac plus Fournier or Gordon.

[AgentGreen]

I think an interesting option - apart from big trade for George or signing FA like Hayward - is to trade down to 4 or 5 pick plus a player. 4 plus Booker or 5 plus WCS or Hield or 5/10/McElmore. And then resign Kelly. Not my first choice but intersting.

Maybe even #6 to draft Isaac plus Fournier or Gordon.

The most intriguing option for me is pick 8 from the Knicks for Porzingis + O'Quinn.
Sign Hayward during the offseason.

IT, Bradley, Hayward, Porzingis, Horford
Smart, Brown, Crowder, O'Quinn, Olynyk
Rozier, #8 pick, Nader, Yabu and Zizic

It depends on how the teams draft... after the top 7 mock draft there is a bit of a drop in talent imo. But you never know what happens on draft day and if one of the top 7 guys drops to 8 than this seems a good deal imo.. All the guys in the top 7 have All-Star potential. The dark horses in this draft are DSJ and Ntilikina.

[Banks2Pierce]

Is it completely ridiculous to offer the Lakers a 2nd round pick(#56) to trade down to save the ~$800k in cap room?

They still get Ball. We still get Fultz. Pretty sure you can get confident to the point where they won't pull any funny business. They get an asset that typically goes for over a million when sold. Is that bushleague towards Fultz? Guess LA may be trying to save every last 100k for 2018 FA as well.

[BigTrade92]

Okay, so we draft Fultz and we sign Hayward.

What do we think about the Brooklyn 18, our 18, Clippers 19, Crowder, Bradley and Rozier for Jimmy Butler?
Works in the trade machine.

Thomas/Smart/Jackson
Butler/Fultz/Green
Hayward/Brown/Nader
Horford/Yabusele/Jerebko
Zizic/Johnson/Zeller

[RR9]

I think an interesting option - apart from big trade for George or signing FA like Hayward - is to trade down to 4 or 5 pick plus a player. 4 plus Booker or 5 plus WCS or Hield or 5/10/McElmore. And then resign Kelly. Not my first choice but intersting.

Maybe even #6 to draft Isaac plus Fournier or Gordon.

The most intriguing option for me is pick 8 from the Knicks for Porzingis + O'Quinn.
Sign Hayward during the offseason.

IT, Bradley, Hayward, Porzingis, Horford
Smart, Brown, Crowder, O'Quinn, Olynyk
Rozier, #8 pick, Nader, Yabu and Zizic

It depends on how the teams draft... after the top 7 mock draft there is a bit of a drop in talent imo. But you never know what happens on draft day and if one of the top 7 guys drops to 8 than this seems a good deal imo.. All the guys in the top 7 have All-Star potential. The dark horses in this draft are DSJ and Ntilikina.

I assume you meant #1 for #8 + Porzingis + Quinn? That's not bad if the Knicks are willing...KP is comparable to Fultz IMO for potential, but KP is proven and has only 2 yrs instead of 4 on a rookie contract, so #8 makes up for that.