Celtics General Offseason Thread Pt 11: Kanter believe you thought of former player

[100proof]

I thought Poirier moved his feet pretty well and cut off drives pretty well. Not much of a sample size, to be sure. There was a good article on CelticsBlog with some video that showcased Poirier defending a few plays, fwiw. Here it is:

https://www.celticsblog.com/2019/10/8/20903409/three-things-boston-celtics-vs-charlotte-hornets-kemba-walker-jaylen-brown-vincent-poirier

VP was a great addition IMO, and I firmly believe that the starting center position is his...he just needs to take it.

He's got a shot at it. It's wide open for anyone to step up and take it. I honestly don't know enough about him to say. Basically, what we saw last preseason game is what I know about him, other than I saw he could dunk the heck out of it in Euroleague highlights.

Honestly that is about it.

He is a younger more athletic Baynes, a Raw Jonas Valanciunas, A lesser Steven Adams.

He can hit a 20 foot jumper, but his game is taking up space, setting STRONG screens, driving to the rim on pick and rolls, crashing the boards hard, helping from the weakside, rebounding.

He will need to learn how to step out and defend on pick and rolls a bit, but he will be as good as any bigman not named Robert Williams on this team.

[Feed Your Head]

Good lord, there are people on the GB trying to claim that the Grizzlies pick doesn't have much value.

It’s possible it ends up a #10-15 pick in the end. Morant, Jackson jr, Big V, a top pick MAYBE next year. I don’t think that’s crazy.

It's possible of course, but a young team in that conference? Much more likely it's top 10 than not.

[Dannyboy36]

Danny is a great GM, Brad is a great coach - Edwards, Grant, Rob Williams are talented young players, like Brown and Tatum. Smart and Walker are gamers through and through. If Hayward can dunk like he used to, we’re in decent shape. We’ll have some interesting trade possibilities, we have the Memphis pick.

We don’t have anyone with the raw talent of Zion, Doncic, Ben Simmons, Donovan Mitchell, even Lonzo Ball. Tatum has some of it as a scorer, and he’s got the upside to become dominant eventually, like Giannis or Paul George, but right now he doesn’t have the ability to impact a game like those players, to take it over.

I agree.

Being down about what has happened and the moves or lack of moves Danny has made seems to be frowned upon around here though.

Lonzo more talented and dominant than Tatum? Really??

I’m still on the Lonzo wagon myself. Gotta come clean.

[StojkoVrankovic]

If only Tatum can be as impactful as Ball. What a worthless take

He barely **** plays

[MagicBagley18]

There’s a handful of players you trade Tatum for....and they aren’t and won’t be available. It’s Time to let him develop into the stud we all think he will be.

[Dannyboy36]

Good lord, there are people on the GB trying to claim that the Grizzlies pick doesn't have much value.

It’s possible it ends up a #10-15 pick in the end. Morant, Jackson jr, Big V, a top pick MAYBE next year. I don’t think that’s crazy.

It's possible of course, but a young team in that conference? Much more likely it's top 10 than not.

I’ll take the #7 pick coming up if I had a choice. But there’s no wrong answer here. It’s all a gamble.

[Disinformation]

Good lord, there are people on the GB trying to claim that the Grizzlies pick doesn't have much value.

It’s possible it ends up a #10-15 pick in the end. Morant, Jackson jr, Big V, a top pick MAYBE next year. I don’t think that’s crazy.

It's possible of course, but a young team in that conference? Much more likely it's top 10 than not.

Why does this conversation seem so familiar?

[GrandTheftRondo]

Danny is a great GM, Brad is a great coach - Edwards, Grant, Rob Williams are talented young players, like Brown and Tatum. Smart and Walker are gamers through and through. If Hayward can dunk like he used to, we’re in decent shape. We’ll have some interesting trade possibilities, we have the Memphis pick.

We don’t have anyone with the raw talent of Zion, Doncic, Ben Simmons, Donovan Mitchell, even Lonzo Ball. Tatum has some of it as a scorer, and he’s got the upside to become dominant eventually, like Giannis or Paul George, but right now he doesn’t have the ability to impact a game like those players, to take it over.

I agree.

Being down about what has happened and the moves or lack of moves Danny has made seems to be frowned upon around here though.

Lonzo more talented and dominant than Tatum? Really??

Didn’t see Lonzo’s name thrown in there. Don’t agree with that one.

But Tatum’s inability to do anything other than create his own shot (and he struggled at that last season) is concerning.

[Fencer reregistered]

I agree.

Being down about what has happened and the moves or lack of moves Danny has made seems to be frowned upon around here though.

Lonzo more talented and dominant than Tatum? Really??

Didn’t see Lonzo’s name thrown in there. Don’t agree with that one.

But Tatum’s inability to do anything other than create his own shot (and he struggled at that last season) is concerning.

Tatum's a pretty good defender. And makes the occasional excellent pass as well, although at this point they're still rare and usually carefully pre-planned.

[Froob]

There’s a handful of players you trade Tatum for....and they aren’t and won’t be available. It’s Time to let him develop into the stud we all think he will be.

Not to mention AD will be available in FA anyways. Lakers gave up a LOT for a guy that won’t commit and is likely leaving.

[GoCeltics123]

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This could help the Celtics keep Jaylen

[Parliament10]

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This could help the Celtics keep Jaylen

That's too much of a drop. I hope that they recover from that.

[robdog_5]

Crazy that one mans opinion from an NBA team can damage a brand that much

[Curmudgeon]

It's all BS. So the Chinese are going to walk away from a profitable deal because of a tweet?

[Parliament10]

Read on Twitter

[robdog_5]

It's all BS. So the Chinese are going to walk away from a profitable deal because of a tweet?

Because their radical

[Andrew McCeltic]

If only Tatum can be as impactful as Ball. What a worthless take

He barely **** plays

Ball’s a special case - I think Tatum is better right now, he was a much lower risk pick, and he’s going to keep improving, too - but Lonzo is a triple double threat, he’s a great defender, his court vision is insane - he impacts the game in more than one way. Tatum isn’t going to be able to do that until he gets stronger, because he’ll be able to put more pressure on defenses and rebound more effectively.

[Andrew McCeltic]

Good lord, there are people on the GB trying to claim that the Grizzlies pick doesn't have much value.

It’s possible it ends up a #10-15 pick in the end. Morant, Jackson jr, Big V, a top pick MAYBE next year. I don’t think that’s crazy.

It has much less value since the lotto rules changed. And it was easy last year to see how Sacramento could become good - I remember I mapped it out as a possibility but I didn’t predict it would happen. Memphis just needs Ja to be an instant impact rookie, Jaren to be good by next season, and either their 2020 pick or Clarke (or both) to be decent. They have Iguodala’s expiring, if they can move it for value before they’re pressured into a buyout, they won’t be a playoff team in 2021, but they’re not a lock to be bottom 5. It’s possible we get the pick this year, too.

My gut says we keep the pick at least until we know where it’s conveying, and probably use it. I think Grant could be the asset most likely to be traded this year, which bums me out because I want him to be a career Celtic, like Smart.

[Andrew McCeltic]

I know it's preseason. Not changing my take and don't have any reason to. I wish we had more blue chip talent. Jaylen could get there, but he's coming along slowly and seems to be fitting the "Demar Derozan" comparisons - super-athletic, develops his game gradually.

And Orlando will be good. They were a 7 seed who finished the season strong. Isaac has visibly bulked up. Bamba will keep developing. Aaron Gordon is basically done developing, all he'll do from here is refine his game. Aminu was a nice pick-up for them.

Love Orlando, been wanting AG for a very long time..thought we should have traded for him a while ago. Always thought he would have been awesome with Horford.

But you're overrating a lot of those dudes and sleeping on our guys. Like I said, Isaac had a 5 and 5 game a few days ago..he is nowhere near Tatum and neither is Bamba. At least not yet. We still have like 6 or 7 unfinished products on this team with Tatum, JB, Carsen, Romeo, Grant and Rob..who is to say none of those guys turn into something special?

That’s fair - I did conflate a couple of different lists, too. I like Isaac and Bamba, but I was also thinking of the Doncic, Zion types - we don’t have anyone with “wow” talent right now. I’d love to see Jaylen get the handles and poise to attack a defense like Donovan Mitchell, even.

And I love the young players on the roster, Edwards and Williams are finds, already it’s obvious 2019 was one of the best drafts Danny has ever had. But as youth movement teams go, we’ve got some competition.

[Andrew McCeltic]

We don’t have anyone with the raw talent of Zion, Doncic, Ben Simmons, Donovan Mitchell, even Lonzo Ball. Tatum has some of it as a scorer, and he’s got the upside to become dominant eventually, like Giannis or Paul George, but right now he doesn’t have the ability to impact a game like those players, to take it over.

That is a really interesting point. Tatum scoring 24 ppg in a playoff series rout of Philly cannot impact a game......like Lonzo Ball.

Surprise he forgot his boy Jahlil Okafor! Lolol

Okafor is probably better than Kanter right now. I actually wouldn’t be surprised to see us trade Ojeleye for him, NOP does it as a courtesy because they realize they won’t have minutes for him.