Trade Thread #6: I Wood Walk 500 Myles

[Saint Lazarus]

There is no scenario where Gordon re-signs with Boston. Not because we don't want to but because he wants to move on now. Either he is traded to Indiana or he goes to New York. If he goes to New York it's because Ainge won't accept Indiana's offer which will annoy Gordo. He has Ainge on a dead-end either we accept Indiana's offer or he leaves us for nothing

This sounds about right. It would seem Indy has a bit of leverage. But I wonder If Hayward would really want to go to the Knicks. I'm sure his agent is talking to them and he needs to get an offer to try to force Danny to make a trade. But at the end of the day will he really sign a contract to play on the Knicks? Feel like he's not a NYC kind of guy and the fans will crucify him once he gets hurt there.

I have a feeling this will not be resolved quickly. If I were Indy I would think Ainge will eventually cave and take something over nothing.

Highly doubt Hayward is going to NYC. Literally makes 0 sense other than leverage by Indy to get Danny to accept the deal on the table. Read the room guys.

[Drax]

I'm guessing Indy has utterly ruled out Warren and effectively ruled out Oladipo -- but Ainge simply doesn't want McDermott, and may be counteroffering that the deal beyond Turner be Indy's choice of:

-- Holiday
-- Nothing (plus minor draft compensation)
-- McDermott (plus non-trivial draft compensation).

That would leave Indy to canvass other teams to see what version they can pull off in the least costly manner.

Can Holiday be traded together with Turner? He signed a new deal with the Pacers on free agency opening night. Turner($18) and Holiday($6) to get would make $24 million.

[Darthlukey]

I'm guessing Indy has utterly ruled out Warren and effectively ruled out Oladipo -- but Ainge simply doesn't want McDermott, and may be counteroffering that the deal beyond Turner be Indy's choice of:

-- Holiday
-- Nothing (plus minor draft compensation)
-- McDermott (plus non-trivial draft compensation).

That would leave Indy to canvass other teams to see what version they can pull off in the least costly manner.

Can Holiday be traded together with Turner? He signed a new deal with the Pacers on free agency opening night. Turner($18) and Holiday($6) to get would make $24 million.

I dont think so. Isn't there a delay on trading recent signings, aside from s and t

[Fencer reregistered]

I'm guessing Indy has utterly ruled out Warren and effectively ruled out Oladipo -- but Ainge simply doesn't want McDermott, and may be counteroffering that the deal beyond Turner be Indy's choice of:

-- Holiday
-- Nothing (plus minor draft compensation)
-- McDermott (plus non-trivial draft compensation).

That would leave Indy to canvass other teams to see what version they can pull off in the least costly manner.

Can Holiday be traded together with Turner? He signed a new deal with the Pacers on free agency opening night. Turner($18) and Holiday($6) to get would make $24 million.

I dont think so. Isn't there a delay on trading recent signings, aside from s and t

I meant the other brother, Aaron.

[Mr_Mojo_Risin]

Why is Danny driving such a hard bargain?

Turner & McDermott = Hayward.

Why make it complicated?

Maybe already said elsewhere by now but you’re assuming we’ve been offered Turner and McDermott in exchange for only Hayward. We actually don’t know.

[ParticleMan]

I'm guessing Indy has utterly ruled out Warren and effectively ruled out Oladipo -- but Ainge simply doesn't want McDermott, and may be counteroffering that the deal beyond Turner be Indy's choice of:

-- Holiday
-- Nothing (plus minor draft compensation)
-- McDermott (plus non-trivial draft compensation).

That would leave Indy to canvass other teams to see what version they can pull off in the least costly manner.

agreed, it's very close but trader danny thinks he can extract a bit more blood from that stone. my guess is at some point hayward is going to call up pritchard and ainge and tell them to meet the f in the middle already and get this over with.

another option is we get holiday the lesser, plus tj leaf. leaf is salary ballast because indy definitely wants more salary out than in for tax reasons. but they could give us $3m cash to mostly cover it.

the only alternative is some mega 3-team trade. not sure if there's anything out there that makes sense.

[Bluewhale]

What we know.
1. Ainge said he wants his coach happy. And BS is very close to Hayward.
2. Hayward's agent is Mark Bartelstein, who also has long term connection to Danny Ainge since he took the GM position.

Bartelstein will his job done.

[ajones9219]

What makes you think the Knicks want to be tied up w GH for 4yrs ??! NY needs to want Hayward for 4yrs for your theory to have merit. Nothing is saying NY wants that !

Plus the Knicks aren't even matching the per year total from what I've seen. Knicks are trash its either indy or Boston.

Idk, the knicks have the money to spend. Hayward is a name casual fans might know ie help with ticket sales and help keep the team somewhat relevant. They could also trade him later. If Indy would trade assets for him, NYK wouldn't take him for free? I don't think he goes there but I think he gets a team like NYK or ATL to make him an offer so he can use the as leverage to force his way to Indy.

ATL is out of money, and I don't think Hayward wants to move even further from his family to play for a losing team. Plus the Knicks never do anything right lol. Its NYK or Boston IMO. Anything else is a smokescreen leverage play

[Scarletfire81]

So Tatum didn’t sign his max deal yet. I wonder if this Hayward situation is holding that up.

[Fencer reregistered]

By the way -- I think there's little chance Indy trades Oladipo for fair value, to us or anybody else. Their clearest path to contention includes just gambling on his recovery themselves and having it pay off.

[ConstableGeneva]

So Tatum didn’t sign his max deal yet. I wonder if this Hayward situation is holding that up.

Nah. Tatum's getting the max no matter what. Hayward situation should have zero bearing on Tatum's extension.

[Drax]

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I meant the other brother, Aaron.

Ahh my bad, that makes sense of course.

[La Flame]

By the way -- I think there's little chance Indy trades Oladipo for fair value, to us or anybody else. Their clearest path to contention includes just gambling on his recovery themselves and having it pay off.

Yep that's most likely their best play. If Gordo n Dipo fully recover, Brogdon/Oladipo/Warren/Hayward/Sabonis could be a top-tier offensive team

[ConstableGeneva]

By the way -- I think there's little chance Indy trades Oladipo for fair value, to us or anybody else. Their clearest path to contention includes just gambling on his recovery themselves and having it pay off.

It's also difficult to come up with enough salary from our end to match unless Hayward's 1st year salary comes in at some ridiculous number ($27,488,800) and we add Langford in the deal. We don't want that much salary ($39M) coming back anyway so a third team would have to be involved.

Ainge asking for Turner + Warren is more realistic to me (than the Dipo one). Cs would be willing to part with Langford or Timelord while also go into tax for that type of return. But Pacers wouldn't include Warren in the deal for the same reason we'd want him. He's good, cheap, and has two years left in his contract.

Kemba / Brown / Warren / Tatum / Turner
Smart / MLE / Nesmith / Grant / Theis

[Scarletfire81]

So Tatum didn’t sign his max deal yet. I wonder if this Hayward situation is holding that up.

Nah. Tatum's getting the max no matter what. Hayward situation should have zero bearing on Tatum's extension.

I just mean the Celtics are busy with Hayward right now and will get to Tatum when it’s resolved.

[FlatearthZorro]

LOVE rajon rondo !! but just can't see how he fits what we have

bring back Jae
montrezl counter for Finals

Jae is an impossible trade and we can't pay him, Marcus Morris just got a bunch of cash, Jae's been better than Marcus, imo. *I know a person who'd love to have him back tho, and he's on this board*

[FlatearthZorro]

So, OKC is keeping Horfie? They traded Adams..

[Drax]

LOVE rajon rondo !! but just can't see how he fits what we have

bring back Jae
montrezl counter for Finals

Jae is an impossible trade and we can't pay him, Marcus Morris just got a bunch of cash, Jae's been better than Marcus, imo. *I know a person who'd love to have him back tho, and he's on this board*

Jae or Marcus?

Jae 100% love him, Morris never again.

[Afam]

Victor oladipo and Turner is a fair trade for Gordon Hayward. Both sides should make it happen.

[FlatearthZorro]

Victor oladipo and Turner is a fair trade for Gordon Hayward. Both sides should make it happen.

I don't udnerstand it tho unless Danny is trading Dipo straight away. I mean Oladipo is not a great fit here(he kinda needs the ball in his hands) and he'll be looking for a new contract.