The 2021-2022 I Wouldn't Trade Brown for Simmons Because He's a Clown Trade Thread

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Only way Fox goes to Boston is if the returning piece is Brown.

I’m not saying Fox has the same value as Brown, but Horford, plus picks (likely non-lottery), plus middling recent picks like Nesmith for Fox is pure fantasy. It’s like Kings fans proposing Bagley, two firsts, and Hield for Brown. A complete non starter.

Only scenario where the Kings move Fox for picks and other players, not involving Brown or Tatum, is if the Kings want out of Fox's contract.

The Kings are a rebuilding team, so why continue to pay 30m per year on Fox when the team isn't going anywhere?

It's not about the talent, it's about the money.

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I want to keep JB and move Tatum. I’m just tired of his game.I really do feel he’s the problem now. I was also thinking of something with the Kings, with Haliburton being the number one choice. If they decide to keep him, maybe Fox+Barnes/Hield?

Fair to be frustrated, crazy to consider trading either of them.

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Only way Fox goes to Boston is if the returning piece is Brown.

I’m not saying Fox has the same value as Brown, but Horford, plus picks (likely non-lottery), plus middling recent picks like Nesmith for Fox is pure fantasy. It’s like Kings fans proposing Bagley, two firsts, and Hield for Brown. A complete non starter.

Only scenario where the Kings move Fox for picks and other players, not involving Brown or Tatum, is if the Kings want out of Fox's contract.

The Kings are a rebuilding team, so why continue to pay 30m per year on Fox when the team isn't going anywhere?

It's not about the talent, it's about the money.

Yeah but even then you can get better offers for Fox. Go after Simmons or something. No need to take C's picks and filler.

Fox hasn't impressed me this year, but he's talented offensively, he'll get a better return than that no problem.

[Fierce1]

Only way Fox goes to Boston is if the returning piece is Brown.

I’m not saying Fox has the same value as Brown, but Horford, plus picks (likely non-lottery), plus middling recent picks like Nesmith for Fox is pure fantasy. It’s like Kings fans proposing Bagley, two firsts, and Hield for Brown. A complete non starter.

Only scenario where the Kings move Fox for picks and other players, not involving Brown or Tatum, is if the Kings want out of Fox's contract.

The Kings are a rebuilding team, so why continue to pay 30m per year on Fox when the team isn't going anywhere?

It's not about the talent, it's about the money.

Yeah but even then you can get better offers for Fox. Go after Simmons or something. No need to take C's picks and filler.

Fox hasn't impressed me this year, but he's talented offensively, he'll get a better return than that no problem.

Yeah, it's true there will be better offers out there.

It's just one possibility because the Celts have all their draft picks.

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Only way Fox goes to Boston is if the returning piece is Brown.

I’m not saying Fox has the same value as Brown, but Horford, plus picks (likely non-lottery), plus middling recent picks like Nesmith for Fox is pure fantasy. It’s like Kings fans proposing Bagley, two firsts, and Hield for Brown. A complete non starter.

Only scenario where the Kings move Fox for picks and other players, not involving Brown or Tatum, is if the Kings want out of Fox's contract.

The Kings are a rebuilding team, so why continue to pay 30m per year on Fox when the team isn't going anywhere?

It's not about the talent, it's about the money.

The Kings would move Fox for a talent upgrade. Someone like Simmons or Sabonis or Brown. They’re not trying to dump salary, especially not with a salary floor, and especially not with this ownership group, who has never dumped salary. Your reasoning is just pure fantasy.

[Fierce1]

Only way Fox goes to Boston is if the returning piece is Brown.

I’m not saying Fox has the same value as Brown, but Horford, plus picks (likely non-lottery), plus middling recent picks like Nesmith for Fox is pure fantasy. It’s like Kings fans proposing Bagley, two firsts, and Hield for Brown. A complete non starter.

Only scenario where the Kings move Fox for picks and other players, not involving Brown or Tatum, is if the Kings want out of Fox's contract.

The Kings are a rebuilding team, so why continue to pay 30m per year on Fox when the team isn't going anywhere?

It's not about the talent, it's about the money.

The Kings would move Fox for a talent upgrade. Someone like Simmons or Sabonis or Brown. They’re not trying to dump salary, especially not with a salary floor, and especially not with this ownership group, who has never dumped salary. Your reasoning is just pure fantasy.

Then no deal.

It's not like the Celts are desperate to get Fox.

There are other options out there.

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Only scenario where the Kings move Fox for picks and other players, not involving Brown or Tatum, is if the Kings want out of Fox's contract.

The Kings are a rebuilding team, so why continue to pay 30m per year on Fox when the team isn't going anywhere?

It's not about the talent, it's about the money.

The Kings would move Fox for a talent upgrade. Someone like Simmons or Sabonis or Brown. They’re not trying to dump salary, especially not with a salary floor, and especially not with this ownership group, who has never dumped salary. Your reasoning is just pure fantasy.

Then no deal.

It's not like the Celts are desperate to get Fox.

There are other options out there.

No deal is fine with me. I like Brown, but would prefer Simmons. Simmons + Mitchell + Hali = two connectors on offense and two connectors on defense.

Only reason why I came on Boston’s board is a Celts fan asked on the Kings board whether Horford, picks, and Nesmith would be enough for Fox. It’s not. And it’s not close.

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Replacing Fox with Ben Simmons or Sabonis is not an upgrade.

The Kings need more than just one player to get to the next level.

That's why I think getting multiple 1st round picks is better for a rebuilding Kings team.

But if the ownership wants to be stubborn and continue with this current path then go ahead, continue to suck!

[Fierce1]

The Kings would move Fox for a talent upgrade. Someone like Simmons or Sabonis or Brown. They’re not trying to dump salary, especially not with a salary floor, and especially not with this ownership group, who has never dumped salary. Your reasoning is just pure fantasy.

Then no deal.

It's not like the Celts are desperate to get Fox.

There are other options out there.

No deal is fine with me. I like Brown, but would prefer Simmons. Simmons + Mitchell + Hali = two connectors on offense and two connectors on defense.

Only reason why I came on Boston’s board is a Celts fan asked on the Kings board whether Horford, picks, and Nesmith would be enough for Fox. It’s not. And it’s not close.

Simmons?

Really?

Simmons is not a good fit with a rebuilding team.

The guy can't even make FTs.

What the Kings need is a legit scorer, someone that can get 23-25 points per game.

Ben Simmons is not that guy because Simmons is a complementary player, not a franchise player.

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Replacing Fox with Ben Simmons or Sabonis is not an upgrade.

The Kings need more than just one player to get to the next level.

That's why I think getting multiple 1st round picks is better for a rebuilding Kings team.

But if the ownership wants to be stubborn and continue with this current path then go ahead, continue to suck!

Multiple top 3 picks, yes. Not multiple non-lotto picks. Gigantic difference.

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Then no deal.

It's not like the Celts are desperate to get Fox.

There are other options out there.

No deal is fine with me. I like Brown, but would prefer Simmons. Simmons + Mitchell + Hali = two connectors on offense and two connectors on defense.

Only reason why I came on Boston’s board is a Celts fan asked on the Kings board whether Horford, picks, and Nesmith would be enough for Fox. It’s not. And it’s not close.

Simmons?

Really?

Simmons is not a good fit with a rebuilding team.

The guy can't even make FTs.

What the Kings need is a legit scorer, someone that can get 23-25 points per game.

Ben Simmons is not that guy because Simmons is a complementary player, not a franchise player.

The Kings don’t need more offense. They’ve been near the top 10 in offense the last two years. They need connectors and shooters on offense and elite defenders like Mitchell and Simmons.

[Fierce1]

Replacing Fox with Ben Simmons or Sabonis is not an upgrade.

The Kings need more than just one player to get to the next level.

That's why I think getting multiple 1st round picks is better for a rebuilding Kings team.

But if the ownership wants to be stubborn and continue with this current path then go ahead, continue to suck!

Multiple top 3 picks, yes. Not multiple non-lotto picks. Gigantic difference.

Let's face it, no lottery team will ever trade their lottery pick for Fox.

That's just not an option.

There's no lottery team out there that will pay 30m per year for Fox.

So getting a lottery pick is not an option.

The next best thing is getting 1st round picks that are not late 1st round picks.
Celts have those.

It's not like the Celts will be picking 27th or 28th.

If the Kings ownership will continue to pay max money and the team is not even close to making the playoffs, that's an ownership that's living in fantasy.

[cl2117]

Replacing Fox with Ben Simmons or Sabonis is not an upgrade.

The Kings need more than just one player to get to the next level.

That's why I think getting multiple 1st round picks is better for a rebuilding Kings team.

But if the ownership wants to be stubborn and continue with this current path then go ahead, continue to suck!

Multiple top 3 picks, yes. Not multiple non-lotto picks. Gigantic difference.

Multiple top 3 picks? Now who's being ridiculous?

I'm on the same page as you about Fox not being an option for C's for a pick package, but don't think you'd get 1 top 3 pick let alone multiple.

Think you've made your point here though. Don't really see any deals between the C's/Kings given the needs of both.

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Replacing Fox with Ben Simmons or Sabonis is not an upgrade.

The Kings need more than just one player to get to the next level.

That's why I think getting multiple 1st round picks is better for a rebuilding Kings team.

But if the ownership wants to be stubborn and continue with this current path then go ahead, continue to suck!

Multiple top 3 picks, yes. Not multiple non-lotto picks. Gigantic difference.

Let's face it, no lottery team will ever trade their lottery pick for Fox.

That's just not an option.

There's no lottery team out there that will pay 30m per year for Fox.

So getting a lottery pick is not an option.

The next best thing is getting 1st round picks that are not late 1st round picks.
Celts have those.

It's not like the Celts will be picking 27th or 28th.

If the Kings ownership will continue to pay max money and the team is not even close to making the playoffs, that's an ownership that's living in fantasy.

Sigh. You sound like a Raps fan.

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Replacing Fox with Ben Simmons or Sabonis is not an upgrade.

The Kings need more than just one player to get to the next level.

That's why I think getting multiple 1st round picks is better for a rebuilding Kings team.

But if the ownership wants to be stubborn and continue with this current path then go ahead, continue to suck!

Multiple top 3 picks, yes. Not multiple non-lotto picks. Gigantic difference.

Multiple top 3 picks? Now who's being ridiculous?

I'm on the same page as you about Fox not being an option for C's for a pick package, but don't think you'd get 1 top 3 pick let alone multiple.

Think you've made your point here though. Don't really see any deals between the C's/Kings given the needs of both.

There is no trade unless Brown is coming back. My reply was to your fellow Celts fan, who is trying to argue that it is wise to trade Fox for multiple non-lotto picks. Quantity does not equal quality. Good luck.

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Sigh. You sound like a Raps fan.

Like I said, it's just one option.

If the Kings want multiple 1st round picks then the Celts have it.

But if the Kings want other things then nothing to see here.

Do you really expect the Pistons or the Rockets giving up their lottery pick for a 30m per year Fox?

Rebuilding teams don't spend 30m per year on one player.

The Kings gave Fox 30m per year because they thought they were close to becoming a real playoff team 2 seasons ago.

That's not the case now.

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Multiple top 3 picks, yes. Not multiple non-lotto picks. Gigantic difference.

Multiple top 3 picks? Now who's being ridiculous?

I'm on the same page as you about Fox not being an option for C's for a pick package, but don't think you'd get 1 top 3 pick let alone multiple.

Think you've made your point here though. Don't really see any deals between the C's/Kings given the needs of both.

There is no trade unless Brown is coming back. My reply was to your fellow Celts fan, who is trying to argue that it is wise to trade Fox for multiple non-lotto picks. Quantity does not equal quality. Good luck.

Yeah and he's wrong. Just saying that's also wrong. Good luck to you as well.

As a side note, I do think Simmons would be a great fit for you guys. Fox makes sense for Philly and Hali is legit, that pairing could do some big things. I'd keep calling Morey until he bites and then try to swing Bagley/picks to Detroit for Jerami Grant.

Simmons
Hali
Barnes
Grant
Holmes

Not going to win you any championships, but that's a team you can build on. Would love to see the Kings back in the mix in the West, have a soft spot for them ever since the Webber days.

[Fierce1]

Multiple top 3 picks? Now who's being ridiculous?

I'm on the same page as you about Fox not being an option for C's for a pick package, but don't think you'd get 1 top 3 pick let alone multiple.

Think you've made your point here though. Don't really see any deals between the C's/Kings given the needs of both.

There is no trade unless Brown is coming back. My reply was to your fellow Celts fan, who is trying to argue that it is wise to trade Fox for multiple non-lotto picks. Quantity does not equal quality. Good luck.

Yeah and he's wrong. Just saying that's also wrong. Good luck to you as well.

As a side note, I do think Simmons would be a great fit for you guys. Fox makes sense for Philly and Hali is legit, that pairing could do some big things. I'd keep calling Morey until he bites and then try to swing Bagley/picks to Detroit for Jerami Grant.

Simmons
Hali
Barnes
Grant
Holmes

Not going to win you any championships, but that's a team you can build on. Would love to see the Kings back in the mix in the West, have a soft spot for them ever since the Webber days.

Don't forget that during the Webber days, all 5 of the Kings starters could make 3-point shots.

In today's NBA, a guy like Ben Simmons is a liability.

Can't shoot 3-pointers and perimeter shots.

Also a bad FT shooter.

And he's going to be the star of a rebuilding team?

There's just no way around it, in today's NBA if your shooting is not good, you become a liability.

That's why going from Fox to Simmons is a downgrade.

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There is no trade unless Brown is coming back. My reply was to your fellow Celts fan, who is trying to argue that it is wise to trade Fox for multiple non-lotto picks. Quantity does not equal quality. Good luck.

Yeah and he's wrong. Just saying that's also wrong. Good luck to you as well.

As a side note, I do think Simmons would be a great fit for you guys. Fox makes sense for Philly and Hali is legit, that pairing could do some big things. I'd keep calling Morey until he bites and then try to swing Bagley/picks to Detroit for Jerami Grant.

Simmons
Hali
Barnes
Grant
Holmes

Not going to win you any championships, but that's a team you can build on. Would love to see the Kings back in the mix in the West, have a soft spot for them ever since the Webber days.

Don't forget that during the Webber days, all 5 of the Kings starters could make 3-point shots.

In today's NBA, a guy like Ben Simmons is a liability.

Can't shoot 3-pointers and perimeter shots.

Also a bad FT shooter.

And he's going to be the star of a rebuilding team?

There's just no way around it, in today's NBA if your shooting is not good, you become a liability.

That's why going from Fox to Simmons is a downgrade.

I'd say it's a lateral move at worst. Simmons can't shoot, Fox doesn't play D. Evens out.

My only issue with the move is that one of Hali's best features is his play making abilities and I'd worry having Simmons would cannibalise that to a large extent.

I think whatever team Simmons goes to next though he should transition completely to PF. I think you can live with non-3 shooting PF if they're elite passers/defenders (see: Draymond).

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I'd say it's a lateral move at worst. Simmons can't shoot, Fox doesn't play D. Evens out.

My only issue with the move is that one of Hali's best features is his play making abilities and I'd worry having Simmons would cannibalise that to a large extent.

I think whatever team Simmons goes to next though he should transition completely to PF. I think you can live with non-3 shooting PF if they're elite passers/defenders (see: Draymond).

Agree.

Simmons should be like Draymond.

But being like Draymond on a lottery team does not work either.

Draymond is having success because he has Steph and a very good GSW offense.

What the Kings need is someone like Beal.

If the Kings end up trading Fox for Simmons, Philly will be the only team who will benefit.