Trade/Free Agency Thread 2023-24, part 12 is my favorite thread. Out of a dozen...

Hal14 · Post #1781 » by **Hal14** » Mon Dec 18, 2023 3:38 pm

Yeah not sure how realistic it is to trade for Stew with that contract situation. But he would be great here. Love his toughness, physicality. We could use an enforcer type like that. And he has continued to improve his shooting.

If we got someone like him or Caruso, jeesh, just hand the title over to us.

Celts17Pride · Post #1782 » by **Celts17Pride** » Mon Dec 18, 2023 3:38 pm

Olynyk, Covington, Batum, Horton-Tucker, PJ Tucker, A Burks, O'Neale, Monte Morris, D. Wright, Thad Young, Otto Porter.

Looking at NBA rosters, these are probably the best the Celtics could hope for in the buyout market. There is no guarantee any of those players will be bought out. You never know what trades will happen by the trade deadline that might make some of those players available. Not a lot of options.

Post #1783 » by **165bows** » Mon Dec 18, 2023 3:39 pm

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Don't even know how that would work. His contract has PP restriction since he was just extended. Maybe we chase after him in the offseason?

Theoretically Kornet/PP/OShae/Svi/Stevens/Walsh should be enough outgoing salary.

Of course they'd need landing spots for all of them, and the draft assets to go along with them, and replacements on the bench and in the rotation at guard, and prob biggest of all, to beat out Okc.

Just saying it's hypothetically possible. I don't want to mention the other way.

31to6 · Post #1784 » by **31to6** » Mon Dec 18, 2023 3:39 pm

165bows wrote:Gallinari as a buyout guy seems like a really good option right now.

Prob be Blake though playing Roger Clemens and jumping in for the last three months of the year.

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I think Drew Carter could do a pretty good take of this

Celts17Pride · Post #1785 » by **Celts17Pride** » Mon Dec 18, 2023 3:41 pm

Hal14 wrote:Yeah not sure how realistic it is to trade for Stew with that contract situation. But he would be great here. Love his toughness, physicality. We could use an enforce type like that. And he has continued to improve his shooting.

If we got someone like him or Caruso, jeesh, just hand the title over to us.

Horford and Pritchard would probably have to be involved in a trade for Stewart. Don't see how that makes the Celtics better.

Hal14 · Post #1786 » by **Hal14** » Mon Dec 18, 2023 3:41 pm

brackdan70 wrote:
ConstableGeneva wrote:

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Don't even know how that would work. His contract has PP restriction since he was just extended. Maybe we chase after him in the offseason?

Do we need to match next years salary, but he counts as this years for Detroit in a hypothetical trade?

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Celts17Pride · Post #1787 » by **Celts17Pride** » Mon Dec 18, 2023 3:44 pm

165bows wrote:
ConstableGeneva wrote:

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Don't even know how that would work. His contract has PP restriction since he was just extended. Maybe we chase after him in the offseason?

Theoretically Kornet/PP/OShae/Svi/Stevens/Walsh should be enough outgoing salary.

Of course they'd need landing spots for all of them, and the draft assets to go along with them, and replacements on the bench and in the rotation at guard, and prob biggest of all, to beat out Okc.

Just saying it's hypothetically possible. I don't want to mention the other way.

Stewart has a poison pill contract. He would count as $13 million to the Celtics but only $5.3 million to Detroit. Don't see how a deal could get done.

JaMarco · Post #1788 » by **JaMarco** » Mon Dec 18, 2023 3:48 pm

Celts17Pride wrote:
Hal14 wrote:Yeah not sure how realistic it is to trade for Stew with that contract situation. But he would be great here. Love his toughness, physicality. We could use an enforce type like that. And he has continued to improve his shooting.

If we got someone like him or Caruso, jeesh, just hand the title over to us.

Horford and Pritchard would probably have to be involved in a trade for Stewart. Don't see how that makes the Celtics better.

Makes them better? That trade would make them significantly worse.

ConstableGeneva · Post #1789 » by **ConstableGeneva** » Mon Dec 18, 2023 3:49 pm

Celts17Pride wrote:Olynyk, Covington, Batum, Horton-Tucker, PJ Tucker, A Burks, O'Neale, Monte Morris, D. Wright, Thad Young, Otto Porter.

Looking at NBA rosters, these are probably the best the Celtics could hope for in the buyout market. There is no guarantee any of those players will be bought out. You never know what trades will happen by the trade deadline that might make some of those players available. Not a lot of options.

Sixers will be crazy to buy out Covington and Batum. Same with Nets and O'Neale. They're in great spots. Those teams aren't tanking and they're current rotation players.

Post #1790 » by **165bows** » Mon Dec 18, 2023 3:51 pm

Celts17Pride wrote:
165bows wrote:
ConstableGeneva wrote:

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Don't even know how that would work. His contract has PP restriction since he was just extended. Maybe we chase after him in the offseason?

Theoretically Kornet/PP/OShae/Svi/Stevens/Walsh should be enough outgoing salary.

Of course they'd need landing spots for all of them, and the draft assets to go along with them, and replacements on the bench and in the rotation at guard, and prob biggest of all, to beat out Okc.

Just saying it's hypothetically possible. I don't want to mention the other way.

Stewart has a poison pill contract. He would count as $13 million to the Celtics but only $5.3 million to Detroit. Don't see how a deal could get done.

Well I already laid out the outgoing salary. It's broken up across so many guys they would need to go to multiple teams (not an issue imo for Kornet/PP/Walsh, the other guys might need to buy their way into another team's roster) so it's not that big of an additional issue beyond just finding other team's roster spots for the outgoing guys.

Just as an example, Detroit takes PP and Walsh, Kornet to a contender, then 2-3 tanking teams get seconds to accept a guy they are going to cut.

Harder part imo is beating out Okc if they were in it.

Post #1791 » by **165bows** » Mon Dec 18, 2023 3:52 pm

Hal14 wrote:
brackdan70 wrote:
ConstableGeneva wrote:

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Don't even know how that would work. His contract has PP restriction since he was just extended. Maybe we chase after him in the offseason?

Do we need to match next years salary, but he counts as this years for Detroit in a hypothetical trade?

Read on Twitter

Right, difficult, but not impossible. Guy is a great fit for the current roster though and they've pulled off similar with the Brogdon deal.

hugepatsfan · Post #1792 » by **hugepatsfan** » Mon Dec 18, 2023 3:59 pm

For Stewart, he has to count as this year's salary averaged with his 4 year extension. That averages out to $13,053,343. So think of it as us needing to match that much salary on a trade. To get within the rules on that, we would need to cobble together $11,886,675 of salary.

Pritchard/Kornet/Brissett/Svi/Stevens combine for over $13M in salary. So that gets us there.

However, now there's three issues to account for on the Pistons side...

1) Even though Stewart counts as $13M+ of salary to us incoming, he still only counts at this year's salary ($5.2M) to them. So now they aren't sending out enough salary to match what we're sending back.

2) Pritchard has his own poison pill contract, so he counts not at the $4.0M of outgoing money he is to us, but $6.7M. In an dof itself, this gap isn't huge (like it is with Stewart's deal) so it's workable in most deals. But in this specific instance, it's a big challenge that compounds issue #1.

3) 5 for 1 deals are tough midseason because you need to open up the roster spots to execute the trade and most teams don't have 4 extra players they're ok cutting.

It's not impossible but it will be really, really challenging. Need to leverage a lot of open roster spots around the NBA.

The Blazers don't have any center on their roster outside of Ayton besides old friend Moses Brown who is on a non-guaranteed deal. Maybe if you throw them a 2nd round swap or something they'd waive Brown and take Kornet in via a minimum salary exception.

The Bulls have an open roster spot and not a lot of real "PF-sized" players on the roster. So maybe they'd be interested in taking Brissett for free. Also, if we're dealing Pritchard we're going to want a backup PG coming back. So maybe we can send them Pritchard and take Jevon Carter back into the Grant Williams TPE.

The Pistons could maybe release Kevin Knox to open up a roster spot to take 2 players back.

So in the end, the full deal would be...

POR gives: nothing
POR gets: C Luke Kornet, 2nd round swap

They pocket a swap of 2nds for trading backup centers after waiving Moses Brown to free up the roster spot.

CHI gives: G Jevon Carter
CHI gets: G Payton Pritchard, F Oshae Brissett, 2nd round pick(s)

They swap a backup PG for a younger one and pocket some 2nd round picks. They have the roster spot to take on an extra player.

DET gives: F/C Isaiah Stewart
DET gets: F Lamar Stevens, G/F Sviatoslav Mykhailiuk, draft pick compensation from BOS (at least a 1st and multiple 2nds, maybe another 1st?)

They cut Kevin Knox to open up the extra roster spot. They move Stewart for picks.

BOS gives: G Payton Pritchard, F Lamar Stevens, G/F Sviatoslav Mykhailiuk, C Luke Kornet, F Oshae Brissett, draft compensation
BOS gets: F/C Isaiah Stewart, G Jevon Carter (taken into TPE)

Since we're using the TPE on Carter, the math works here for a trade.

GoCeltics123 · Post #1793 » by **GoCeltics123** » Mon Dec 18, 2023 3:59 pm

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Hal14 · Post #1794 » by **Hal14** » Mon Dec 18, 2023 4:04 pm

165bows wrote:
Hal14 wrote:
brackdan70 wrote:Do we need to match next years salary, but he counts as this years for Detroit in a hypothetical trade?

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Right, difficult, but not impossible. Guy is a great fit for the current roster though and they've pulled off similar with the Brogdon deal.

Much easier to pull off a 5 for 1 trade during the offseason (when teams have 5 extra roster spots) than it is during the season.

Also, it made sense to trade 5 guys for 1 since we were acquiring a guy to be our 3rd leading scorer. Stew would have less of a role here than Brogdon had.

Also, I believe they changed the rules after we did that Brogdon trade, so now you can't send out multiple guys on minimum contracts in the same trade..

Post #1795 » by **165bows** » Mon Dec 18, 2023 4:05 pm

hugepatsfan wrote:For Stewart, he has to count as this year's salary averaged with his 4 year extension. That averages out to $13,053,343. So think of it as us needing to match that much salary on a trade. To get within the rules on that, we would need to cobble together $11,886,675 of salary.

Pritchard/Kornet/Brissett/Svi/Stevens combine for over $13M in salary. So that gets us there.

However, now there's three issues to account for on the Pistons side...

1) Even though Stewart counts as $13M+ of salary to us incoming, he still only counts at this year's salary ($5.2M) to them. So now they aren't sending out enough salary to match what we're sending back.

2) Pritchard has his own poison pill contract, so he counts not at the $4.0M of outgoing money he is to us, but $6.7M. In an dof itself, this gap isn't huge (like it is with Stewart's deal) so it's workable in most deals. But in this specific instance, it's a big challenge that compounds issue #1.

3) 5 for 1 deals are tough midseason because you need to open up the roster spots to execute the trade and most teams don't have 4 extra players they're ok cutting.

It's not impossible but it will be really, really challenging. Need to leverage a lot of open roster spots around the NBA.

The Blazers don't have any center on their roster outside of Ayton besides old friend Moses Brown who is on a non-guaranteed deal. Maybe if you throw them a 2nd round swap or something they'd waive Brown and take Kornet in via a minimum salary exception.

The Bulls have an open roster spot and not a lot of real "PF-sized" players on the roster. So maybe they'd be interested in taking Brissett for free. Also, if we're dealing Pritchard we're going to want a backup PG coming back. So maybe we can send them Pritchard and take Jevon Carter back into the Grant Williams TPE.

The Pistons could maybe release Kevin Knox to open up a roster spot to take 2 players back.

So in the end, the full deal would be...

POR gives: nothing
POR gets: C Luke Kornet, 2nd round swap

They pocket a swap of 2nds for trading backup centers after waiving Moses Brown to free up the roster spot.

CHI gives: G Jevon Carter
CHI gets: G Payton Pritchard, F Oshae Brissett, 2nd round pick(s)

They swap a backup PG for a younger one and pocket some 2nd round picks. They have the roster spot to take on an extra player.

DET gives: F/C Isaiah Stewart
DET gets: F Lamar Stevens, G/F Sviatoslav Mykhailiuk, draft pick compensation from BOS (at least a 1st and multiple 2nds, maybe another 1st?)

They cut Kevin Knox to open up the extra roster spot. They move Stewart for picks.

BOS gives: G Payton Pritchard, F Lamar Stevens, G/F Sviatoslav Mykhailiuk, C Luke Kornet, F Oshae Brissett, draft compensation
BOS gets: F/C Isaiah Stewart, G Jevon Carter (taken into TPE)

Since we're using the TPE on Carter, the math works here for a trade.

If that's the math they should also be able to swap Walsh in (to add value) in exchange for one of the last three guys and still make it fit.

Pretty doable imo, there would be a handful of teams happy to cut a back end of the roster filler for second rounders.

Harder imo to meet the value it would take at this point.

bucknersrevenge · Post #1796 » by **bucknersrevenge** » Mon Dec 18, 2023 4:05 pm

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Aggressive in LOOKING is what I'd expect. In terms of us making any significant move, I'm less certain of given our constraints. I'm not expecting Caruso at all. But if he finds a way to get him it's time to put Brad's bust in Springfield.

Post #1797 » by **165bows** » Mon Dec 18, 2023 4:07 pm

Hal14 wrote:
165bows wrote:
Hal14 wrote:

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Right, difficult, but not impossible. Guy is a great fit for the current roster though and they've pulled off similar with the Brogdon deal.

Much easier to pull off a 5 for 1 trade during the offseason (when teams have 5 extra roster spots) than it is during the season.

Also, it made sense to trade 5 guys for 1 since we were acquiring a guy to be our 3rd leading scorer. Stew would have less of a role here than Brogdon had.

Also, I believe they changed the rules after we did that Brogdon trade, so now you can't send out multiple guys on minimum contracts in the same trade..

Hmm yeah that is something to check on for sure.

hugepatsfan · Post #1798 » by **hugepatsfan** » Mon Dec 18, 2023 4:12 pm

165bows wrote:
hugepatsfan wrote:For Stewart, he has to count as this year's salary averaged with his 4 year extension. That averages out to $13,053,343. So think of it as us needing to match that much salary on a trade. To get within the rules on that, we would need to cobble together $11,886,675 of salary.

Pritchard/Kornet/Brissett/Svi/Stevens combine for over $13M in salary. So that gets us there.

However, now there's three issues to account for on the Pistons side...

1) Even though Stewart counts as $13M+ of salary to us incoming, he still only counts at this year's salary ($5.2M) to them. So now they aren't sending out enough salary to match what we're sending back.

2) Pritchard has his own poison pill contract, so he counts not at the $4.0M of outgoing money he is to us, but $6.7M. In an dof itself, this gap isn't huge (like it is with Stewart's deal) so it's workable in most deals. But in this specific instance, it's a big challenge that compounds issue #1.

3) 5 for 1 deals are tough midseason because you need to open up the roster spots to execute the trade and most teams don't have 4 extra players they're ok cutting.

It's not impossible but it will be really, really challenging. Need to leverage a lot of open roster spots around the NBA.

The Blazers don't have any center on their roster outside of Ayton besides old friend Moses Brown who is on a non-guaranteed deal. Maybe if you throw them a 2nd round swap or something they'd waive Brown and take Kornet in via a minimum salary exception.

The Bulls have an open roster spot and not a lot of real "PF-sized" players on the roster. So maybe they'd be interested in taking Brissett for free. Also, if we're dealing Pritchard we're going to want a backup PG coming back. So maybe we can send them Pritchard and take Jevon Carter back into the Grant Williams TPE.

The Pistons could maybe release Kevin Knox to open up a roster spot to take 2 players back.

So in the end, the full deal would be...

POR gives: nothing
POR gets: C Luke Kornet, 2nd round swap

They pocket a swap of 2nds for trading backup centers after waiving Moses Brown to free up the roster spot.

CHI gives: G Jevon Carter
CHI gets: G Payton Pritchard, F Oshae Brissett, 2nd round pick(s)

They swap a backup PG for a younger one and pocket some 2nd round picks. They have the roster spot to take on an extra player.

DET gives: F/C Isaiah Stewart
DET gets: F Lamar Stevens, G/F Sviatoslav Mykhailiuk, draft pick compensation from BOS (at least a 1st and multiple 2nds, maybe another 1st?)

They cut Kevin Knox to open up the extra roster spot. They move Stewart for picks.

BOS gives: G Payton Pritchard, F Lamar Stevens, G/F Sviatoslav Mykhailiuk, C Luke Kornet, F Oshae Brissett, draft compensation
BOS gets: F/C Isaiah Stewart, G Jevon Carter (taken into TPE)

Since we're using the TPE on Carter, the math works here for a trade.

If that's the math they should also be able to swap Walsh in (to add value) in exchange for one of the last three guys and still make it fit.

Pretty doable imo, there would be a handful of teams happy to cut a back end of the roster filler for second rounders.

Harder imo to meet the value it would take at this point.

You can swap Walsh in for one of Stevens or Brissett. Swapping him for one of Kornet/Svi/Pritchard would leave you short on matching. The math is that tight.

My thought was that Walsh is unlikely to hold much trade value. BOS could match whatever his value is to DET with multiple 2nds, IMO, and where we're at in roster construction that might make more sense for us to keep him.

Post #1799 » by **165bows** » Mon Dec 18, 2023 4:13 pm

Would be as simple as PP/Kornet to Chicago, Walsh/Brissett to Detroit (cut Livers), and then just ship 2nds with Svi somewhere would be easy to do.

That's if they were able to pull of the Jevon Carter 2nd deal. Would leave Al/Stew/Hauser/Carter on the bench which is pretty solid really.

Homerclease · Post #1800 » by **Homerclease** » Mon Dec 18, 2023 4:14 pm

bucknersrevenge wrote:
GoCeltics123 wrote:

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Aggressive in LOOKING is what I'd expect. In terms of us making any significant move, I'm less certain of given our constraints. I'm not expecting Caruso at all. But if he finds a way to get him it's time to put Brad's bust in Springfield.

It looks like the priority seems to be upgrading off Kornet. I don’t think another wing would hurt either as well as Hauser has played. Someone else mentioned Tate from Houston but I know they really like him.