Trade Ideas Thread

[Slartibartfast]

What realistic trade options from the Hornets would interest your fan base if we wanted to acquire Jeff Green?

I guess if we wanted to unite the Zeller brothers (our coach is a big fan), Cody might do the trick.

But I don't it makes a lot of sense for us to move Green without getting an SF in return - he's the only thing standing in the way of Crash starting.

Any chance Charlotte takes an interest in Bass, particularly if you miss out on Booz? A nice one year option while Vonleh and Zeller continue to develop.

[KJandHondo35]

I believe Charlotte still has about $4 million in cap space after the Stephenson signing. Therefore, I don't think they're 'capped out'. Which of our young guys between Cody Zeller, P.J. Hairston, and Jeff Taylor would interest you the most attached to Gary Neal?

There's no interest in Gerald Henderson from Boston fans that might've once cherished his father's presence?

To combine a couple ideas, how about a 3 teamer with CHA, BOS, and SAC.

SAC receives: Rondo, Henderson

BOS: McLemore, MKG, Biz, Jason Thompson

CHA Receives: KO, Green, Derrick Williams

What picks would you need to get that done... Appreciate the discussion.

So Boston is trading Rondo, Green and KO for that haul? That's horrible. Great deal for Sac (McLemore, Williams' expiring and Thompson's deadweight for a decent SG and an all-star PG).

I mean McLemore is 21 and one of the best SG propects in the league, MKG is constantly undervalued and probably plays the some of the best defense from the SF position and is still 20 yrs old, Bismack is 21 and put up ridiculous stl/blk numbers per possesion and the best rim protection % in the NBA... thats a good collection of young HIGH upside guys...

[mrknowitall215]

U do realize Green is a far superior player to MKG, MKG tho still young, is entering his 3rd year and hasn't done ****, for the 2nd overall pick, he looks like a bust. Same goes for Biyombo, who's not a good match with Big Al(mostly on offense).. Green has 2 years on his deal, making decent money for the current CBA and is averaging 17/nearly6/2 on 43 %(not that good)... Talking bout overvalueing ur guys over other players...

That's from a superficial point of view. Last year, Charlotte's identity as a team was on the defensive end as a top-10 defense (but middling offensive team ranked somewhere between #17-25). MKG was our best defender, and when he was injured for a month & a half, that was the worst stint of our season as we loss way more games than we won. Upon MKG's return, we went back to being a top-5 defense throughout the remainder of the season. Outsiders wouldn't understand how valuable MKG is to Charlotte as a lockdown and/or containing defender, but he's a valuable & vital part to our team. We wouldn't part with him for Jeff Green. I was only inquiring about Green because I thought he was a player around the league that could be available as a salary dump

I haven't watched you guys, but could you show me some stats, that tell u were a top 5 defense? Like real stats, cause this is very surprising to me... I'm not bias, u're a lot more bias than I am. Green >>>> MKG right now, go ask any1, not a C's or Hornets fan, and MKG is still a prospect, who imo will always have trouble shooting the ball and he's been having health issues throughout his 2 year nba career, whereas Green has been a stud(knock on wood), except for that heart condition(he played 82 games last season). Anyhow, I'd keep Green, to be real with you, I think for us trading Green for a lesser player at this point, would mean Rondo is gone and we're in an all-out rebuilding. I'm still hoping we somehow make the playoffs... Hope dies last, you know.


edit: Tbh, I think if Green is on the Hornets alongside MKG, he'll start, which should tell you who the better player is.

This link show that Charlotte was the #3 ranked defensive team before MKG's injury from the start of the season (11-1-13) to the game he was injured (12-3-13): http://stats.nba.com/leagueTeamGeneral. ... F03%2F2013

This link show that Charlotte dropped to #14 in defense during the time MKG was injured (12-4-13 to 01-11-14): http://stats.nba.com/leagueTeamGeneral. ... F11%2F2014

This link show that Charlotte was the #6 ranked defensive team throughout the rest of the season in which MKG was healthy: http://stats.nba.com/leagueTeamGeneral. ... F16%2F2014

[mrknowitall215]

What realistic trade options from the Hornets would interest your fan base if we wanted to acquire Jeff Green?

I guess if we wanted to unite the Zeller brothers (our coach is a big fan), Cody might do the trick.

But I don't it makes a lot of sense for us to move Green without getting an SF in return - he's the only thing standing in the way of Crash starting.

Any chance Charlotte takes an interest in Bass, particularly if you miss out on Booz? A nice one year option while Vonleh and Zeller continue to develop.

It's possible that we may take a flier on a exchange for Brandon Bass as a serviceable PF, but our front office and coaching staff are adamant about wanting a 'stretch 4' and that's kind of where Jeff Green would come into play. However, Bass might be in play. We've been linked to Bass in trade rumors during last year's trade deadline, so there's some mutual interest

[Andrew McCeltic]

I think here in Boston we all know on some level that MKG has way more 'upside' than Green, but Green can shoot at a higher level and play power forward, Bass has shown he can excel in a team defense and hit midrange jumpshots. So our hope is that the Hornets want to capitalize on their momentum and have more young players (Hairston, Vonleh, Zeller, MKG, Biyombo) than they need..

[Andrew McCeltic]

I think Boston would be willing to part with Sullinger or Olynyk as a 'stretch 4' if the right pieces came back...

Would you guys be willing to give up anything for Rondo?

[Slartibartfast]

To combine a couple ideas, how about a 3 teamer with CHA, BOS, and SAC.

SAC receives: Rondo, Henderson

BOS: McLemore, MKG, Biz, Jason Thompson

CHA Receives: KO, Green, Derrick Williams

What picks would you need to get that done... Appreciate the discussion.

So Boston is trading Rondo, Green and KO for that haul? That's horrible. Great deal for Sac (McLemore, Williams' expiring and Thompson's deadweight for a decent SG and an all-star PG).

I mean McLemore is 21 and one of the best SG propects in the league, MKG is constantly undervalued and probably plays the some of the best defense from the SF position and is still 20 yrs old, Bismack is 21 and put up ridiculous stl/blk numbers per possesion and the best rim protection % in the NBA... thats a good collection of young HIGH upside guys...

McLemore is hardly one of the best SG prospects in the league. He doesn't do anything at an NBA level yet except run and jump. He's about as far along as Gerald Green at the same age. What makes him more appealing than James Young?

MKG has shown no ability to shoot outside of 5 feet. None. Luc Richard Mbah a Moute's a great defender at SF too and I'm not trading Rondo for him.

I like Bismack but where are on earth are you getting the steals number? He had one of the worst steal rates in the league. He's a good shot-blocking prospect with no offensive game.

[Slartibartfast]

What realistic trade options from the Hornets would interest your fan base if we wanted to acquire Jeff Green?

I guess if we wanted to unite the Zeller brothers (our coach is a big fan), Cody might do the trick.

But I don't it makes a lot of sense for us to move Green without getting an SF in return - he's the only thing standing in the way of Crash starting.

Any chance Charlotte takes an interest in Bass, particularly if you miss out on Booz? A nice one year option while Vonleh and Zeller continue to develop.

It's possible that we may take a flier on a exchange for Brandon Bass as a serviceable PF, but our front office and coaching staff are adamant about wanting a 'stretch 4' and that's kind of where Jeff Green would come into play. However, Bass might be in play. We've been linked to Bass in trade rumors during last year's trade deadline, so there's some mutual interest

If you want a decent player for free, Bass is your guy.

As for Green as a stretch 4, Marvin Williams is about as good in that role. Marvin gets a bad rap, but he's a better rebounder and defender at the 4 than Jeff is and about as good from distance. Jeff can be a pretty potent scorer against 4s (very dangerous off the dribble against slower PFs), but he's so bad on D and the boards against real bigs that it's almost not worth it.

Jeff's appeal over Marvin is that he can score and defend at the 3 spot. If that's not what you'd want him for, I wouldn't even bother trading for him.

[KJandHondo35]

So Boston is trading Rondo, Green and KO for that haul? That's horrible. Great deal for Sac (McLemore, Williams' expiring and Thompson's deadweight for a decent SG and an all-star PG).

I mean McLemore is 21 and one of the best SG propects in the league, MKG is constantly undervalued and probably plays the some of the best defense from the SF position and is still 20 yrs old, Bismack is 21 and put up ridiculous stl/blk numbers per possesion and the best rim protection % in the NBA... thats a good collection of young HIGH upside guys...

McLemore is hardly one of the best SG prospects in the league. He doesn't do anything at an NBA level yet except run and jump. He's about as far along as Gerald Green at the same age. What makes him more appealing than James Young?

MKG has shown no ability to shoot outside of 5 feet. None. Luc Richard Mbah a Moute's a great defender at SF too and I'm not trading Rondo for him.

I like Bismack but where are on earth are you getting the steals number? He had one of the worst steal rates in the league. He's a good shot-blocking prospect with no offensive game.

I should have clarified it was Stls+blks per possesion in which he exceeds guys like Noah, Howard, Duncan, Cousins and Horford. MKG your correct cannot shoot at this point which is a risk but he's still an impactful player on a playoff team that put up a top 5 defense without any defending bigs which is remarkable to say the least. And your very down on McLemore thats clear, but his shot is legit. He had a poor rookie season but he will be a scary shooter, people with his mechanics and work ethic don't bust like Gerald Green. And he's much more capable to be a + defender at SG than Young who will end up playing mostly as a SF due to his lack of lateral quickness. I like Young a lot but he will be best at 3 (standing reach still exceeds Jeff Green).

[mbsnmisc]

I am a lifelong C's fan, but I live in SC, so I go to and watch on TV several Hornets games a year. The Hornets are not going to trade MKG without getting a true cost controlled young stud in return. Uncle Jeff is a nice player, (too nice), but it would surprise me if the Hornets would even consider that deal.

I think Biyombo could be a different story. He is still raw, and a little undersized, (he does have an impressive standing reach), but I wonder if Joel Anthony and the possible 76er's first would be enough to merit consideration ? Both are expiring, and their salaries are close. If the 76er's pick is not enough, maybe the lesser of our other 1st rounders in 2015-16.

I don't think I would trade K.O. or Sully for Biyombo based entirely on his expiring contract and their cost controlled status for the next 2-3 years.

Anthony could provide veteran leadership and possibly approximate Biyombo's defense for the 10-13 minutes a game needed.

I would like to see Biyombo get 25 minutes a game and catch lobs from Rondo. It could be an interesting fit.

[CelticFaninLBC]

What realistic trade options from the Hornets would interest your fan base if we wanted to acquire Jeff Green?

I guess if we wanted to unite the Zeller brothers (our coach is a big fan), Cody might do the trick.

But I don't it makes a lot of sense for us to move Green without getting an SF in return - he's the only thing standing in the way of Crash starting.

Any chance Charlotte takes an interest in Bass, particularly if you miss out on Booz? A nice one year option while Vonleh and Zeller continue to develop.

It's possible that we may take a flier on a exchange for Brandon Bass as a serviceable PF, but our front office and coaching staff are adamant about wanting a 'stretch 4' and that's kind of where Jeff Green would come into play. However, Bass might be in play. We've been linked to Bass in trade rumors during last year's trade deadline, so there's some mutual interest

Interesting about Green. Would Green & Olynyk for Biyombo and Neal do it?? Not sure if you guys would want Olynyk, since you have Zeller & Vonleh already.

[mrknowitall215]

I guess if we wanted to unite the Zeller brothers (our coach is a big fan), Cody might do the trick.

But I don't it makes a lot of sense for us to move Green without getting an SF in return - he's the only thing standing in the way of Crash starting.

Any chance Charlotte takes an interest in Bass, particularly if you miss out on Booz? A nice one year option while Vonleh and Zeller continue to develop.

It's possible that we may take a flier on a exchange for Brandon Bass as a serviceable PF, but our front office and coaching staff are adamant about wanting a 'stretch 4' and that's kind of where Jeff Green would come into play. However, Bass might be in play. We've been linked to Bass in trade rumors during last year's trade deadline, so there's some mutual interest

Interesting about Green. Would Green & Olynyk for Biyombo and Neal do it?? Not sure if you guys would want Olynyk, since you have Zeller & Vonleh already.

Biyombo is our only rim protector (advanced statistics rank him as elite at it) and a self-absorbed development project by our GM, Rich Cho. I don't think he's going anywhere any time soon, and certainly not for that deal

However, I'd happily trade you guys Zeller & Neal for Olynyk & Green. We'd even throw in a draft pick or two probably

[CelticFaninLBC]

Suprised the organization's giving up on their #4 pick so soon?

[Andrew McCeltic]

Here's a realistic deal- Wallace to SAC for Jason Thompson and Travis Outlaw-

The Kings have too many bigs and no rim protector- they can make minutes for Landry to get his value back up- Thompson's annual salary is lower than Wallace's, but he goes for an extra year. Only 27, I'd play him at the 5 and see if we can get anything out of him.

[Andrew McCeltic]

Rumor has Phil Jackson looking to trade JR Smith for Jason Thompson, Carl Landry, or Ersan Ilyasova...

[Higgs Boston]

Here's a realistic deal- Wallace to SAC for Jason Thompson and Travis Outlaw-

The Kings have too many bigs and no rim protector- they can make minutes for Landry to get his value back up- Thompson's annual salary is lower than Wallace's, but he goes for an extra year. Only 27, I'd play him at the 5 and see if we can get anything out of him.

This deal is all less realistic, sacramento has rudy gay with 19 million, don't needs wallace or other SF with big contract. Celtics should give at minimum one first round, is much better move wallace in 2015.
Traded wallace now is a very bad idea, lose some assets in rebuild is the worse decision.

[bbd24]

Rondo to Detroit for Monroe (S&T), Caldwell-Pope, 2015 Detroit 1st Round Pick (unprotected)

[Slartibartfast]

Rondo to Detroit for Monroe (S&T), Caldwell-Pope, 2015 Detroit 1st Round Pick (unprotected)

SVG doesn't really like perimeter guys who can't hit the 3. I don't think he'd target Rondo.

[Andrew McCeltic]

Here's a realistic deal- Wallace to SAC for Jason Thompson and Travis Outlaw-

The Kings have too many bigs and no rim protector- they can make minutes for Landry to get his value back up- Thompson's annual salary is lower than Wallace's, but he goes for an extra year. Only 27, I'd play him at the 5 and see if we can get anything out of him.

This deal is all less realistic, sacramento has rudy gay with 19 million, don't needs wallace or other SF with big contract. Celtics should give at minimum one first round, is much better move wallace in 2015.
Traded wallace now is a very bad idea, lose some assets in rebuild is the worse decision.

Gay's expiring, but Wallace would be the back-up- SAC has a couple of massively overpaid power forwards (Landry, Thompson) on long contracts, so the idea is that they'd get long-term flexibility, better roster balance, and a defense/hustle guy off the bench, which they need.

SAC's owners seem more ambitious than that, though, and bafflingly, it sounds like they can get better talent for those guys in trades because they're willing to take on big money and big headaches (Josh Smith, JR Smith)...

[Andrew McCeltic]

Anyway I think the Pistons will get Mclemore, which is bad news for us and takes away the Kings as a Rondo destination...


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